Senate approves indefinite detention and torture of Americans

That's why there are Cinematic fictitious scenarios of the future for all
people everywhere to learn from-and prevent the public enemies who
have weaseled their way into Government from deploying on us. Have
you ever seen the movie trilogy Starship Troopers ? In Starship Troopers
1, the giant bugs are only a methaphor for FBI/NSA Felony Eavesdropping
by launching their cyberworm programs to use the satelites, the SIM chip
in your cellphone to listen in to your home environment, track you as you
travel any distance. They operate surreptitiously ( without your informed
consent and permission in advance, for obvious reasons-if they do it in
secret how could you possibly know enough to counter their aggression.
Forewarned is forearmed. In Starship Troopers 2, they illustrate the use
of propaganda to brainwash to prove what George Owell said: " Truth
is the 1st casualty of any war. And in any culture where war without end
is accepted, and deception so pervasive, merely stating the truth will
be seen as if an act of armed Rebellion & Revolution. " Starship Troopers
3 featured an actor who also starred in the movie Hancock a few years back.
He was labeled a " Peace Terrorist " They publicly executed several
Peace Terrorists through a Television event. He was hanged in a wheelchair.
But they allowed him some last words so they could all laugh like devils.
In the last of the trilogy they personified a traitor responsible for masacres
as a " hero of the people " ,finaly condescending to allow people enough
free speech to utter the word " God " as if that couldn't realy do any harm.
All this theme is a metaphor for the Hellish nightmare of the modern day
version of what the German people suffered under Adolph Hitler in the
1932 worldwide Great Depression, mobilization for World War, through
V.E. day in 1945 when the Russians,English, Americans entered Berlin.
Washington, D.C.is where the stage is set now.

It is a pitiful state of affair; we are a morally bereft culture. +^d

Does this violate Posse Comitatus in any way? I thought it did, but maybe I'm wrong.

It does quite the opposite. The way the 'Posse Comitatus Act' is worded, Federal Troops can only be used in this country if the orders originate in the US Constitution or an "Act of Congress". Since this is an act of congress, there goes our protection.

True. Disgraceful it is. I'm sure they were hoping people were too busy Christmas shopping to notice.

Thank you for contacting your senators. We all should!

what kind of dimwitted plan is this ? I always thought that Anonymous had some brains , but now i really doubt that . Pay no taxes ? dont comply to law ? Are you 5 years old ?
What we dont want is chaos and more poverty in the world ! Stand for something , instead of making dumb quote's ! Show who you are , let them know you don't stand for abuse and poverty and fear ! Let the people know they can change the world if we want to , BUT do something ! Let Washington know they cant scare you with prison terms , or beatings or anything to divert you from your beliefs and your goal to better the world you live in !Let them know you Will fight against laws that are unjust even if you may be hurt ! That and use your vote to vote them all out of office ! Yes , we are legion and we are strong ! We have the power ! WE DECIDE WHO RULE"S US ! It is time we all realize this ,all over the planet ! Then we will be better and safe and no one will sleep hungry again .

I Think Anonymous should add the sound of a couple of hundred bagpipes to their messages. They and the OWS awakeing represents the "last of the free" in this country as far as I am concerned. It's not enough to only talk about forming a system that will stop future thefts of our freedoms, property and lives. We need to start working on AND believing in, actually takeing the 26 trillion BACK.
I love the fact that Anonymous scares the shit out of the 1%! Proud to support them!
We DO have teeth and we will BITE!

Responsibility begins with the individual and the self maintained honor and autonomy of that same individual. There is NO intrinsic cultural bond or obligation to "rule of law/authority/consensus beyond any oath an individual has sworn to. ( There IS of course a pragmatic price sure to be payed for non conformity ) +^d

+^d

Israel is poised to tap into the natural gas reservoirs off its coast...and über billionaires like Yitzhak Tshuva are already calculating their profits....but über billionaires starting wars for profit is soooooo Bush/2009, isn't it?

Only if we sit and complain and do nothing ..... Because that's the easy way out ! And it's not enough ! For all of us . DO SOMETHING !!!

yes and it is 2010 ,2011 ,2020 ,2030 if we let them . We in the west have all the power to change the world at our'e fingertips . We just have to take it ! We ,the people have to stand up and fight for justice,equal rights and freedom and for a decent life . And it will never happen if we let 1% rule 99% .

You are so correct alexandrek.

Well said! If we all do something other then shop and consume we will win!

I dont know if consuming is bad . It is greed that hurts , not consuming . we all consume, we have to . we all want and need . But we need to do more, without doubt !

We have become a sad society, we are told we are free and many repeat this memorized rhetoric, we are trained to watch reality shows to distract us from our own reality, we are chasing American dream on Black Friday, we produce waste to be shipped across the globe.

You are asking very good questions. Americans have been loosing the freedoms a little at the time. I believe many feel hopeless and frightened. How can we choose if we have no freedom of choice?

and if i'm right you are bound by law to oppose it ! If a government turns tyrannical , you are bound to overthrow it !

You have freedom of choice ! always ! But are you willing to except the consequences ?

Not if I am the only lost voice.

Why not ?

Because one voice will not be heard.

One voice can inspire many ! Look at Ghandi ,MLK etc they started small too and look what they've become ! But it's hard to be different . It takes a strong mind to win . We may fail miserably , but at least we tried ! It is so easy to say : " i can't do it !" or "it's too hard "
Is this how you want the world to be for you and your children ?
May be we are shouting in a desert and none will hear ....

Believe me I am not silent, I have been voicing my strong opinions. I have been shouting in a desert...But this is not enough and results are not soon enough.

These are the words of true American hero.

spoken as a man with the right convictions !

Truer words were never spoken, Motherfortruth. We have biological systems
comprising our physical forms, but we're still always spirits in a material world
as Gorden Sumner put it. He's right. There is no political solution. How could
there ever be ? It's always been cheap sleezy political hacks who started wars
they'd never fight themselves to send others to be traumatized, maimed and
killed to prove why diplomacy has failed to prevent wars, only forstalling them.
They're idiot shits carrying on as if they were the Gods on Mt,Olympus only
because they're bad actors with expensive props. They'd do well to remember
the old order is finished., That the OWS protest movement now, here, is an
extension of the Velvet Revolution in the Czeck Republic which threw their
self deluded slave masters out. Communism is essentialy no different than
Fascism or any other form of political Mafia. I'm the grandson of a Sicialian
from Palermo who enlisted in the Italian Navy as a sailor/cook serving on a
Battleship at the turn of the 20th century. My grandad was a farmer before
that in Sicily. We Italians are very familiar with the tactics of the Fasciste,
& Communists, and the Mafia. They're horns on the head of the same bull.
Americans are peacefuly revolting against their bullshit to remind them as
we put them there, we can take them away from their corruption, delusions
of grandeur, pathological lying, obsession marking them as criminaly insane.

Excuse me, PressCore, but just to clarify here briefly to not derail from the important topic of the thread- no one was doing anything to him. I believe the post in question was a personal attack so I assume that was why it was removed. I too have had posts flagged and removed in my time here and didn't take it upon myself to come back into the thread to stomp my feet saying I was leaving to make myself look like the victim and turn the attention to myself when I was the one who broke the rules. If you personally attack someone here there are rules. They may seem unfair, but believe me they do apply to all. The comments made to me by him btw regarding me being an imbecile, etc.were all meanspirited and unnecessary in a thread where the conversation was merely about the EU and my opinion on what I see as a fascist tone predominating there of late in comparsion to what has just been done to the freedom of American citizens. It didn't necessitate namecalling and any voluntary leaving by him because of one post is his decision. That's all I'll say on it because it wouldn't be fair to the poster who put this here to derail the topic and frankly, I don't see the need to blow it all out of proportion.

Oh no don't go. What's going on here, am I missing something?

I considered the same at one point, but realize this community is a valuable resource to anyone actually thinking and searching...there is generally more info in the comments than in the post. Add to diversity so we can all see eventually from each others eyes.

that is a general rule for all internet debate's . if you have a clear opinion and you are not afraid to hurt feelings , you will get hate , get banned or abuse . that's a fact of life . people don't agree and that's okay and good . We all love to be right and see our're ideas vindicated . We all hate to be wrong or have to revise our're views .
As people it is so hard for us to say we are wrong . But we have to have an open mind and even pay attention to our're opposite's .That's how we learn and grow .

But i have no patience for abuse or plain hatred . And i ignore those who don't want to grow or have a decent exchange of views .
Don't let hate or ignorance keep you from telling others what you think or want to share .
As you said ; there are good people everywhere !
So don't leave people !

cool !

it takes a man to admit his faults . And we all make mistake's in life , we are human . Not robots . Even at 62 you can learn from others . That's why the internet is great . We meet people from all walks of life and from all over the planet .
That is what makes us great and wise .

I greatly appreciate your thoughtful words, mate. I sense it must be half
curse & half blessing to serve perfectionism, as the personal pattern God
ordained on any human soul. For though none of us could ever reach
that goal as a destination, as Einstein said, which Star Trekers embrace,
our reach must always exceed our grasp because life would be a petty
thing if it didn't constantly seek to expand it's boundaries. So I push the
envelope unaware it might be felt by others as stepping on their feelings.
I seem to be constantly editing every other writing seeking that goal-to
perfectly express a thought. Nothing I write is usualy realy good enough.

Yet life is a human business, and I'm glad to be part of a social community.
Our minds encounter people of all walks of life, at stages of personal
evolution both more and less advanced than our own, with exceptional
insights to share, and unique perspectives to relate. As in the intro to
Steven Spielberg's TV series Amazing Stories, we're still modern Cro
Magnons, of various tribes called nations, sitting aroiund the campfire,
swaping experiences to learn from. Communication is essential to Peace.

I can't wait to travel again. I haven't lived in the Czeck Republic yet though
I brew an exceptional Pilsner Lager. Nor the U.K.of the Netherlands or
any of the Baltic Coasts countries- a part of the world I consider home.
Though I've been lucky enough to have lived around Lake Geneva as
I have Colorado & Texas. From Texas thru the Dakotas, travelers can
witness the truth. That humans travel in a straight line into the horizon,
but the Earth is as round as it is a flat plain. Thanks again. I might in
advertently put my foot in my mouth, at times, but I haven't lost my
manners, or my mind. P.S. I NEVER see myself as great & wise, for
if I did, i couldn't be. I only see myself as less petty & less foolish ( on
the flip side ) en route to better reflecting greatness & wisdom, virtuously.

c u r r e n t ON ! ( . . . and unto the storm and into the valley of death and the maelstrom of rhetoric and the sturm und drang and pop o' "Culture". )

p.s. EVERYONE should join "Culture",....just sayin . . . +^d that, is what I B sayin . . .

Thank you for your thoughtfull words . I want to let you and everybody know, ; i dont serve perfection . It doesn't exist . It is a fib , a lie .
And i am anything but perfect ! But i commend the courage to admit that we make mistake's and stand for our're mistake's , wich is rare these day's . I am not a great communicator , so people often get my intentions wrong . Think i ridicule them or that i am better then them , wich is not the case .
I am 41 years old , i traveled a lot , lived in israel for a year and met many people from all over . they thought me to be open minded and listen to others . they may have a better way to solve things . That is the way to wisdom in my opinion . I am definitely NOT wise , nor do i say to be anything other then human . Wich is all i can be .

Interesting. Must be something to live in Israel. I'll just be happy
to live in Amsterdam on a passport visa seeking resident foreign
alien status. It's said the Constellation Cancer rules over Holland
which is Midheaven for me too. With the kind of cosmic harmony
that bodes for, and all the good level headed things I've read &
heard about the Dutch I suspect I'll fit right in. And that's all I want.
I have no criminal record, and am of Dutch descent, so I may well
want to acquire dual nationality in your country to augment my U.S.
citizenship. Thanks for responding, Heer.

For one you will be better off if you do .But Holland is rapidly declining into a sub sort of mini USA , with healthcare going rapidly and everything we dutch where proud off is going down the tubes . With all the right wing and semi right wing party's calling the shot's now .
But still ,we have better living conditions here, and you won't starve if you have no job . That's also one off the things that is changing by the way . And i hate it ! I would avoid Amsterdam as a place to live . Rents are through then roof and it's a filthy city . You could go south and go for the bourgondian way ( if you know what i mean ) or the more "down to earth " north . The city's are smaller but more comfortable to live and less crime.
I don't know about the cosmic harmony thing ..... That has seemed to pass us by this time .
But you'll have your first contact in the Netherlands as it is commonly known .
Great that you have dutch roots . There are a lot of Americans with a dutch ancestor , but what i pick up off tv is that the community's that hold the dutch way of life high , do so in a very old fashion way . Seem to think we are still in the 1800 'ds and still talk like that .
Heer is a word that we only use in letters to officials . it's more like sir now , witch in dutch is ;
meneer (spoken)
mijnheer (written )

If you speak a little (old) dutch . Things are far less formal now .And less civil in most cases .
You should have no problems coming over and getting dutch papers . especially if you have family here .
I would love to show you around .
with respect always ....

If you want only a visum for 6 months , i see no reason why you shoudn't get it. A word of advice ; Dont mention any drug related tendencies or wants when you are applying and i would be carefull what you post on public page's . It will be there forever ! And governments are known to check Facebook etc for applicants etc .
Just because they/ we dont want drug tourism who bring crime and unrest to the border towns . They are mostly German/Belgian / eastblok people who get in trouble . ( As the media state's ) . i will be glad to invite you over to my house , if you like . I am a hetero sexual male for the record . So no sexual intent on my part . Just a friendly meet of people .My invite stands though .... I am a smoker by the way .... Yes it is bad for me , but so is getting hit by a truck ! :)
I understood that you had DUTCH ancestors or are they German ? witch is a big difference ! Not that i mind , i am German born , with dutch roots . So i have the best of both worlds as to say .
Live your dreams ,if you can . that's what i say . Oh and another thing ; Don't give out your pasport ! Even if the dutch would ask for it ! Or whatever country you want to go to live .
for now i'm off . didnt have the time yet ( now 07;21 a.m ) to read your mail fully .
So until later .
PS ; I am somewhat of a bhudhist my self .

don't go !

we all hope .....

The whole western world voted for Obama ! Because we all hoped for change . Just because he was black ! We all hoped that he would be able to get the dinosaurs out of office and the 99% back in charge . But alas ..... It was a dream .....
I do think Obama wanted the change and even tried to make it happen . But was caught by reality . The 1 % rule's us and they call the shots . ............... for now .

Obama accomplished the only goal he set - to be the first black president. Those who believed in change where fooled.

I agree .

Senate approved this bill.

I want my free America back.

McCain is the treat to public security. Majority of public opinion is to stop all wars not starting new one here at home.

i want my free world back !

Yes, he is . But he got it through because he play'd the fear card . Just as Bush did and Bush before him . Of course terrorists are real , but the threat is vastly overstated as we all know . And cars kill more people then terror does ! Cigarette's kill more people then terror does . Are we as panic'd by that ? NO ! People will die . It's a fact of life for now .
People should be more scared of the loss of healthcare and homes , of poverty and people dying of no healthcare at all !
I wish Americans would be as vigilant with poverty . Then it would be great !

Yes, I hear you.

My life is far too good as it is to risk sitting in that chair.
The better choice in my mind would be the man who carefully explains to the President what he needs to do next, and why.
Failing that, I'd be happy to be zen monk in a spring-green forest with a sense of humor and a taste for poetry.

Of course it can be changed ! If you believe otherwise for even a
microsecond you're allowing yourself to be deceived by foolish doubt.
It's taken humanity 5,000 years of recorded history to arrive at the
crossroads we're at now, itself only made possible by the Million years
of natural selection to put the players on the stage, the Billion years of
the formation for the stage itself. None of that was effected by accident.
It was all accomplished by the extremely slow, careful evolution planned
by Providence itself. The pyramid the free masons established as their
blueprint design 225 years ago was modled after the perfect geometric
design built to survive the ages. In novus ordo seclorum. We the People
ARE the new order of the ages. The USA itself was wrested from the
clutches of tyrany, madness, and it's oppression by only 1/3 of the people
called Patriots. Never ever underestimate what the power of only a relatively
small group of dedicated people, cooperating as one, can accomplish to
change the entire world. Because in all the History of humankind, they
are the only ones who've ever made the difference. Capiche ?

You might be good enough to credit the source of the "change is only made by a few committed people" statement. (Margaret Mead, as I recall, but it may just as well been Emma Goldman, or Margaret Sanger.)
It doesn't build confidence in one's presentations to appropriate others words as one's own.

In any case, Presscore, it wasn't "Providence."
If so, Providence has one interminably long and evilly twisted sense of humor.

My beliefs, such as they, generally form on the top of piles of evidence. There's plenty to suggest the hyper-active branch of simians I belong to is driven more to destruction of everything that surrounds it than anything else.

I'm always happy to see some threads of hope in endless waves of news about the latest levels of destruction. I look for them, and I try to adopt them, if possible.
As far as I'm concerned the majority of the "We the People" in your construct are the same ravenous assholes that have been raping the planet and each other since they fell out of the trees.

Still, there is always the slim possibility that one way or another, the vast numbers of viral overload the earth is suffering under now may recede and a more wise and more fitting strain of humans may evolve.
Personally, I can't wait.

I can. I might be good enough to credit Margaret Meade, but her phrase
is public domain by now. I generaly only quote the orignal source if I know
it hasn't been plagarized and miscredited to others restating it after they've
appropriated it. When I see " anonymous " or someone else's name other
than the original source, I have to agree with your term hyper active simean.
Still we all have a place in the world. Though I don't object to being called
one of a race of ravenous assholes whose ancestors fell out of trees. I'd
not hold my breath waiting until better replacements came along. All human
traits are distributed under a bell shaped curve. And the more fitting strain
of humans you refered to likely wouldn't want to have either of us for their
neighbors. As for Providence, that's too mind boggling a concept for any
simean to fathom by any form of reason or madness. As John Lennon said:
" I don't believe in Beatles; I just believe in me " I think Miguel Cervantes
might have concurred. He claimed the most difficult, yet most important
lesson anyone could learn is to know oneself. We're all expendable. And
the universe would proceed just fine if we were never here. But there's
an important reason why humans are universal life forms & microcosms.

Wikipedia cannabis laws section isn't painting Sweden very favorably;

"Every time reasonable suspicion arises, the police are obliged to intervene under a zero tolerance strategy even though mere police intuition is legally insufficient. The expressed aim of government is the creation of a "drug-free society" and the police are to give high priority towards drug crimes"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana_law#Sweden

Americans told to believe we are free!

witch is bullshit ! And a waste of money , men and live's . Drugs have been around since the dawn of time and it will be here for the duration . America is the biggest hypocrite off all . playing both fields ; one for cash and 1 for opinion ! And the "War on drugs "has failed beyond belief ! Drugs should be legal , and available by pharmacies ,controlled by doctors . That would save all , users and public .
Sorry for the off topic .

yes it will , because the public doesn't go and demonstrate on the streets ! they are couch activists and that won't do .

No thanks. The EU is just as fascist of late. I love this country and will fight for it.

Vote me down all you wish if it makes you feel like a bigger person, but can you refute it?

You obviously aren't up on current events. Now vote this down too.

I would flee only to the few Non-EU countries in Europe.

Talking to yourself now too?. And I love how the self important ones always vote themselves up as soon as they post. Talk about pathetic. Read the current news in Greece and Italy and what the EU is up to and get back to us. Matter of fact, the timing of this bill in concert with that is very interesting. However, holding a conversation with someone who is only here to be an entertainer and who seems uninformed on current events and what they mean globally is actually a waste of time.

Do you know what is going on in Greece and Italy and the EU countries in general now regarding the EU, banks, unelected prime ministers, austerity measures and the IMF with them on the verge of economic collapse? And for your information there have been many posts on it and not by me. What a weak attempt to insult someone. And to refresh your memory, I only commented that I love my country and would fight for it and that I think the "EU" was just as fascist of late. If you can't carry on a conversation based on that without insults don't blame me for it. And I've been here since the first day this site began when it thrived. Try again.

And hey, look at me. I can zap you. I'm so special.