Community | December 14, 2011 | 22 comments

A New Protest Movement Proposed: America 1-2-3

maasanova
Instead of just protesting in the street and getting their skulls cracked by the local law enforcement thugs who are an arm of the 1%, why don't people go into the congressional buildings and just talk to their representatives?

A new movement is needed, one that rejects the extremes and the labels of left and right.
I propose calling it America 1-2-3 as in America first second and third.

All we need are a few signs, America 1-2-3 or USA 1-2-3 etc and this is going to work. There are so many people who want to join in a movement against the wars, bailouts, and fed. But they don't want to be associated with the Tea-o-con statist or the OWS statists.

No left, no right. These are issues America first second and thirders can all agree on. Who cares if we alienate the facist and the communists? I say good.

There needs to be a clear message not a generic one:

1 No more pointless war.

These wars are immoral based on deception and unaffordable.
They do not serve American interests. The serve private interests, and Israeli interests, to America's own detriment.

2 No Bailouts

Bailouts for criminals gambling with counterfeit money is itself theft.

3 Begin Ending the Fed

The fed enables secret bailouts, and inflated war spending, which is destroying the US economy. Lets have a full Audit to find out who their friends are, and then begin the transition away from the fiat debt as money system.
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  • Nabe8
  • freecrack
  • PeteLeS33
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      PeteLeS33  
    • Just talk to our congressmen? Do you really think they are going to reject their own interests and bite the hand that feeds them? (lobbists) Sorry, there can be NO middle of the road approach with these people. If Occupy didn't get in there face and continue to do what they do, we would still be blathering about this so called deficit we don't have.

    • 5 months ago
  • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM
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      COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM  
    • Your criteria for qualifying OWS as left wing extremists please? It never fails to astound me that whenever anyone acts for the general benefit of the public, that they are called left wing extremists. I do believe it is more of a statement about the name caller, than the public defender.

    • 5 months ago
  • noxidereus
  • maasanova
  • Argon18
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      Argon18  
    • maasanova:

      "The OWS was full of all kinds of types of protesters" is a good point, so why doesn't he pitch in to try to accomplish somthing?

      Or was "America 1-2-3" more about ego stroking than trying to get something done?

    • 5 months ago
  • maasanova
    • +1
      maasanova  
    • Argon18:

      "why doesn't he pitch in to try to accomplish somthing?"

      I think it is because he lives in Japan, but he claims that he will be back in Washington in a few weeks to follow through on this America 1-2-3 plan.

      I think that the suggestion of a new party was more about giving both the left and the right's protest movement some direction, instead of running around sloganeering and getting into dramatic encounters with law enforcement thugs.

      About the ego stroking? I don't know...perhaps, but I cannot get inside other people's minds to see why they do the things they do.

    • 5 months ago
  • Argon18
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      Argon18  
    • Apparently some people haven't been paying attention since OWS has been doing all that, so instead of starting over for vanity's sake, why not participate?

      Is it more important for the credit for a new movement, or for supporting the change to solve the problems? At least people like Jesse LaGreca have been putting the time and effort into making things happen.

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/12/14/1045276/-We-lobbied-Congress-in-person-...!

      "Jesse recounted already how we went down to Boehner's office and were effectively shut out. None were allowed to even come inside the office and anyone who came out shut the door fast behind them. We started talking and an organizer asked us - if you had 20 seconds with Boehner and he walked out right now...what would you say? I said that I would ask him why he is allowing Americans to suffer needlessly in an economic depression we have not seen since the gilded age and how do you think history will judge your actions? The question got a round of applause and other activists continued walking up and down the halls reciting their questions.

      There, we spoke to some of Sen. Sanders staff about the need for real campaign finance reform, real Wall Street reform and a number of things. We decided to talk to as many senators as we could or at least their staffers before we had to head back to NYC. It was a success in so far that we got a ton of contact information and made some headway into getting a sense where different officers felt on the bill.

      The next day was one of action and sadly I bid Jesse goodbye in the early morning so he could attend a panel in NYC with Ron Suskind and Paul O'neill. I was engaged in the massive street demonstration with SEIU and OWS where we shut down K street for most of the day."

    • 5 months ago
  • PetEr_Alan_ColE
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • How can a truly politically informed individual not see the massive difference between how the two parties behave,

      It's not so much about how the parties behave, which is essentially whoring themselves out to the highest bidder, it's about how both parties continually come together against the people particularly when it comes to the economy (the Federal Reserve bailouts, ignoring bank fraud etc) and the wars.

    • 5 months ago
  • Jake_Leonard
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      Jake_Leonard  
    • I tire of the simplistic outlook—the outright defeatist attitude—that is the assumption that both parties are inherently bad and are thus on equal terms. How can a truly politically informed individual (obviously this term comes with some degree of relativity, but hopefully you understand) not see the massive difference between how the two parties behave, and instead devolve into plain exaggeration?

      The democrats—far from perfect—are also far from behaving like Republicans. While one party caters to the puppet master, the other can only futilely resist as the conglomerate corporate media ensemble banters on continuously while special-interest groups drown out the voices of the people and fill our representatives with even more nonsensical rhetoric. It is a very tight rope to walk as a progressive democrat, for media talks.

      While the libertarians, defeatists, apathetic, and politically uninformed may choose to vote for Ron Paul out of principle (ironic, since he's running under GOP ticket), I've got the past and probability on my side: that it simply will not happen. Until one of the two parties gets obliterated—either by scandal (indictments perhaps?), or uselessness (Democrats could in theory assume the center-right, marginalizing the GOP extremists and represent the PEOPLE conservatively rather than simply using it as a front to represent special-interests/business), no third party is going to take over—not this soon, and not in time. Would I relish the idea of the Green Party assuming a spot? Would I even take a libertarian such as Ron Paul running under the GOP nominee over the other GOP nominees? You bet I would. I don't believe it will happen, though.

      As far as I'm concerned, there are a few reasons Ron Paul is doing as well as he is right now, but there are also very clear reasons why he won't do any better. They (not to simplify, but media, business, etc) want him in the light JUST enough to allow pro-Paulers (sorry) the outlook that there may just be a slivers chance he might win. This in turn draws the widening moderates, independents, and apathetic/defeatist voters away from what would certainly be a democratic vote.

      On the other hand, Ron Paul will receive little more than the bare minimum of coverage and chance so as not to do TOO well. Certainly Ron Paul is not the prime Republican puppet, as he is not as well groomed and will certainly do more for the people rather than be corrupted to the extent of the other candidates. I find he's just being used. While I disagree with Paul's perspective, I do believe he THINKS that he has the people's best interest in mind—a straw I can grasp onto in dire times over the other candidates certainly.

      Furthermore, Paul is just too deviant from the traditional republican religious conservative to vote for; he is seen as uncertain in their eyes, and so the Republicans locked themselves in to the religious crowd back in—what—the '70s? The simple Republican voting christian conservative will look up libertarianism and see "social=liberal" and scamper off.

      I stand by my theory that any vote 3rd party vote, no vote, or GOP vote this election cycle is detrimental to America's long-term well-being.

      But that's just me.

    • 5 months ago
  • Jake_Leonard
  • Anonmaly
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      Anonmaly  
    • Jake_Leonard:

      Lmao, I'm tired of the view that either or any "party" is your friend, they're all corporate fronts.

      Lobbyists write the laws, show me the politician that isn't swayed by money and lobbyists, and I'll show you who to trust, and no party embodies that.

    • 5 months ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • Jake_Leonard:

      "How can a truly politically informed individual not see the massive difference between how the two parties behave,"

      It's not so much about how the parties behave, which is essentially whoring themselves out to the highest bidder, it's about how both parties continually come together against the people particularly when it comes to the economy (the Federal Reserve bailouts, ignoring bank fraud etc) and the wars.

    • 5 months ago
  • CollegiateMind
  • Milieu
  • tlsmith63
  • gardener52
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      gardener52  
    • maybe he's right about going into the capital building. that's what they did in Wisconsin . the problem is most of them don't listen to us anyway.

    • 5 months ago
  • FresnoBill314
  • Deltone
  • Ambill94
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