Community | December 17, 2011 | 242 comments

Is Cenk Uygur being to hard on Obama and his Admin and how crazy is that 12 months out from a general election?

Yes!!! Let's face it, like Obama or not, that is who the left has running and it simply does no good to have Cenk slamming Obama for some new violation of his far left idealism every show. I don't think I've seen a show yet where he hasn't come across pissed about something. Well Cenk consider this, if Obama piss's u off, imagine if all your whining suppresses some left wingers to sit home and one of those right wing wacko's gets elected, where will you and all of us be then? Huh? Up a shits creek that's where. They will take a soft majority of 5-4 in the supreme to probably a 6-3 strong one if the right assumes power. Then where will your far left progressive attitude be? You know 80% of what we can get through Obama is better then nothing at all or didn't you learn that lesson back in the sand box when you were young. Is Obama perfect? NO! Has he made me frustrated at times, YES! Have I ever entertained the idea of voting for a right wing wacko like you did on national tv, HELL NO! Who's side are you on MR. Uygur? If you want me and my family to continue to tune in you need to temper your daily wrath to maybe the last 10-15 mins of the show or something, I don't want a yes man no, but I don't want a sour puss either. Cenk maybe take your boss's lead in how you carry yourself forward. When you had V.P Gore on a few nights ago while he expressed some dissatisfaction with Obama and some of his positions he has taken or allowed to pass, he did it with class, style and reasonable restraint and never ever forgetting that he's our man, he's the one we have in the race, and don't be so dumb to cut your nose off to spite your face. Geez, Cenk how stupid is it to go so negative on Obama day after day 12 months out, when all the effect it will have is maybe suppressing voters on our side. You know after he gets in again he doesn't have to worry about re-election, maybe then we will get the 100% 2008 Obama like we all wanted, but even if he still only gives us the 80% like he is giving us now, don't you think it's 10 times better then what we would ever get with any of the crazy crack pot rightie wankers could or would be giving us, damn Cenk isn't that elementary or what! Don't sink my hopes and dreams just cause your not getting every one of your far left ideals met! My family needs some of the welfare sadly I know Obama will sponsor and advocate for where no one on the right, even a Ron Paul would be for, so hold your tongue a little bit till after we get him elected Mr Ungur, then go verbally postal all you want on him. Please I implore you to consider the macro aspects here not simply the point of view of the far left progressive movement. respectfully yours John F. (a committed but moderate left winger)
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242 comments // Is Cenk Uygur being to hard on Obama and his Admin and how crazy is that 12 months out from a general election?

  • Truthitswhatsfordinner
  • j_farris2
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      j_farris2  

    • What kool-aid are all you guys drinking here that think somehow magically the situation is different from what it really is. You will have 2 candidates to vote from in the general election. TWO!!! People come back to the planet earth now.

      You all need to accept the reality for what it is not the Utopian walk on water expectations you desire apparently from the president who has had to deal with allot of crap from the two houses right wing that said from the word go their number one job was to defeat him. Don't you guys get it, no matter how much you want Obama to have made this choice or that decision its simply to late in the game to whip him into the man we all desire him to be 100% of the time. You know what though, if were all smart we can get someone who will basically be an ally to get 75-85% of what our agenda and needs fulfilled are or we can get disgusted, filled with malaise, act like a bunch of little kids and go home crying cause like we don't get our way all the time.

      Vote democrat, vote Obama, even if you have to squeeze your nostrils because your tummy turns sour, for if you continue to deny and dupe yourselves into thinking a right wing win wont be that bad, including a Ron Paul win, you all are living in total denial of the facts that put us in the very predicament were in now.

    • 5 months ago
  • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM
  • rook429
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      rook429  

    • There is nothing progressive about Ron Paul. The fact that he is light years ahead of the GOP on foreign policy does not change the fact that he is anti choice, anti environment (the 1% love him as far as exploiting the environment) and a right winger on domestic issues that is right of Reagan or Bush Jr.

      The idea that Paul represents a smart progressive choice is ridiculous. The Republican progressives like Jacob Javitts, Charles Goodell and Mark Hatfield have been eliminated from the GOP. Robber baron libertarianism is not progressive.

    • 5 months ago
  • rook429
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      rook429  
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    • Hey Buckeye Bill, as a Florida resident I know the whole story. There is book on the 2000 Election by a professor of mine in Graduate School, Lance Dehaven Smith. He runs an Institute of Government over at Florida State University.

      http://www.rinr.fsu.edu/winter2005/features/battlefield.html

      RinR: One of the most interesting points you make in the book is that the focus on undervotes (ballots containing no vote for president)—the hanging, dimpled and otherwise pregnant chads—was misplaced. Instead, you explain that a study by the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago, which looked at all the ballots that were initially rejected on election night 2000, revealed a surprise: most of these uncounted votes were in fact discarded because they were over-votes, instances of two votes for president on one ballot. What do you think the NORC study tells us about the election?

      LdHS: It’s an embarrassing outcome for George Bush because it showed that Gore had gotten more votes. Everybody had thought that the chads were where all the bad ballots were, but it turned out that the ones that were the most decisive were write-in ballots where people would check Gore and write Gore in, and the machine kicked those out. There were 175,000 votes overall that were so-called “spoiled ballots.” About two-thirds of the spoiled ballots were over-votes; many or most of them would have been write-in over-votes, where people had punched and written in a candidate’s name. And nobody looked at this, not even the Florida Supreme Court in the last decision it made requiring a statewide recount. Nobody had thought about it except Judge Terry Lewis, who was overseeing the statewide recount when it was halted by the U.S. Supreme Court. The write-in over-votes have really not gotten much attention. Those votes are not ambiguous. When you see Gore picked and then Gore written in, there’s not a question in your mind who this person was voting for. When you go through those, they’re unambiguous: Bush got some of those votes, but they were overwhelmingly for Gore. For example, in an analysis of the 2.7 million votes that had been cast in Florida’s eight largest counties, The Washington Post found that Gore’s name was punched on 46,000 of the over-vote ballots it, while Bush’s name was marked on only 17,000.

    • 5 months ago
  • nardo1224
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      nardo1224  
    • rook429:

      Thanks for the information , however, regardless of what the intended outcome was, Bush still got elected and was able to do exactly what he campaigned on, running the government like a business and what is the main purpose of a business. To make as much money as possible to put into the CEO's and board of directors pockets and look at what we have here, income disparity as never seen before. Congratulations Mr. Bush and republicans you really succeeded in reaching your goals,

    • 5 months ago
  • AmericanStandard
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      AmericanStandard  

    • Open your fucking eyes people! There is not a dimes worth of difference between GOP candidates (Except Ron Paul) and Obama. Personally I would rather vote for Robomney than Obama, there is no way a republican president would have gotten these abominations passed.

    • 5 months ago
  • j_farris2
  • outofbounds
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      outofbounds  

    • Obama bashing supports the GOP and their sponsors who want to take over the executive branch. Why would Cenk align himself with international corporations? Is this suppose to be an honest look at Obama's presidency? It is NOT honest! Gazillions of dollars are being spent to "sell" you on what's wrong with Obama. And they seem to be getting their money's worth.

    • 5 months ago
  • hombre76
  • remanns
  • j_farris2
  • remanns
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      remanns  

    • Freedom of speech and unfettered media outranks " political manipulation and lock step politics" on the totem pole of social values by about a 1000 to 1 ratio.

    • 5 months ago
  • remanns
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      remanns  

    • Lets be clear that NONE of our leaders EVER deserves any more respect and consideration or withholding of critique beyond that owed to ANY OTHER CITIZEN of "reasonable" character. Ever. At all. Period. The end.

      We HAVE NO KINGS,.....or "betters",....even

    • 5 months ago
  • Vic_Romano
  • hombre76
  • j_farris2
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      j_farris2  
    • remanns:

      Ok, that's just fine remanns, love the passion and normally i would agree if what we were up against was a Hitler or Stalin or somebody like that, but we all know that's not what the case is and to convey that somehow we are is simply bluster and a bold face over exaggeration to steer people to your exact agenda and convictions. Obama is a good man basically who has more then your average compassion for his fellow man and we all know it. Remember he was a community worker for a long time when he could have chosen to go work for the fat-cats on wall street instead. That says allot about a mans character make-up right there, some of you guys in this thread act like he's one step removed from pol-pot, Ha! I'm quite sure if he's reelected we will get a man who goes further left then he has carried himself up till now for he will have nothing holding him back.

    • 5 months ago
  • nardo1224
  • Crauly_Fingers
  • PetEr_Alan_ColE
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      PetEr_Alan_ColE  

    • If the Democrats were smart, they would be looking to find a replacement for Obama rather than complaining like big babies who didn't get there way. That is if they really care about America. Instead they seem content on settling for what they believe is the lessor of two evils.

    • 5 months ago
  • j_farris2
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      j_farris2  
    • PetEr_Alan_ColE:

      There is not enough time to do that, you have to live in the real world as much as it might not be palatible always. We either elect the one that most of the time pursues our agenda or put one in there that we all know will work to ursurp everything we believe and stand for. Is it the best situation, no, but wake up and smell the coffee Peter, its the one we have. Just is............

    • 5 months ago
  • ibrake4rappers13
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      ibrake4rappers13  
    • j_farris2:

      Obama isnt the only option. Ron Paul is against american imperialism, auditing the fed, ending the war on the drugs and ending the patriot act. These are probably the biggest issues of our lifetime. Obama and all the other republicans agree with each other on doing nothng significant about any of those things. Ron paul as the republican nominee is the only way we can make a difference. You dont have to vote for him in the general election but it holds obamas feet to the fire.

    • 5 months ago
  • j_farris2
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      j_farris2  
    • ibrake4rappers13:

      Ibrake, scroll down the page to a section that i believe buckeye bill added, the post that shows the "244 accomplishments that Obama has backed or made possible". I ask you, you really think that goofy old man Ron Paul would have worked for all that. How can You even begin to entertain such a silly notion. If it was up to Ron Paul we would go back to pre civil rights where anyone can discriminate against anyone if you own a business just because you own it. Just like his flake of a son, that is one acorn that never fell from the tree at all.

    • 5 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
    • PetEr_Alan_ColE:

      Have you read the latest studies that show how Democrats are smarter than Republicans regarding facts and current events.....and on their knowledge of historical events, too?

      So, as you say, "If THE Democrats were smart,".....which makes it sound as if you do not consider yourself a member of MY "group".

      But watch out for those Psuedo-Progressives and Libelous-Liberals...they're ferocious in their fealty to their lords and masters.....the Repulsive Republicans!

    • 5 months ago
  • PetEr_Alan_ColE
  • PetEr_Alan_ColE
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
    • PetEr_Alan_ColE:

      "I just read the other day conservative are happier than liberals."

      You should try the nonfiction section of the book store or library rather than the fiction department.

      If I may, I would suggest viewing something other than Fixed Noise, also....they are the perpetrators of lies.

    • 5 months ago
  • NobodyInParticular
  • PetEr_Alan_ColE
  • PetEr_Alan_ColE
  • nardo1224
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      nardo1224  

    • You ask "Where will we be?" Hopefully pissed off enough to get up off our asses, storm K-street and Washington, drag these assholes out by their hair and string them up! I totally applaud Chenk and his critique of Obama because is only one of a few with the balls to say it. I'm sure you have gotten very comfortable with your head in the sand, however, there are some of us who are just sick and tired of this crap and the best way to open up eyes is to tell the world exactly what's happening even if they don't wan to hear it.

    • 5 months ago
  • j_farris2
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      j_farris2  
    • nardo1224:

      There is not enough time to do that, you have to live in the real world as much as it might not be palatible always. We either elect the one that most of the time pursues our agenda or put one in there that we all know will work to ursurp everything we believe and stand for. Is it the best situation, no, but wake up and smell the coffee nardo, its the one we have. Just is............

    • 5 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
    • nardo1224:

      nardo1224......I'm kinda, sorta shocked to read your comment with you being so personal in your response to j_farris. I've always been impressed with your candor but I don't recall you using ad hominem displays as now.

      I understand that this is one of those "hot topics" that brings to a quick boil emotions that normally aren't exercised in this manner.

      You're too decent and kindhearted for me not to say something to you about it.

      And...if you see me sliding of the track by being personal in my debating issues, I expect you to get me back "on track" so to speak!

      Am I wrong?

      Dagnabit, I hope not!

    • 5 months ago
  • nardo1224
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      nardo1224  
    • j_farris2:

      It is that mentality that got us here in the first place. "I just have to accept what is given to me". I totally disagree with you. Should the order be given toroud up all dissenters and jail them than I guess we will have to wait for an election cycle to attempt to replace the administration that gave the order.Passivity is not my forte. I will not stand by and wait for change, I will create change and if people in this country had that kind of an attitude we would have a totally different democracy. Why must WE follow the rules when our leaders shred them.

    • 5 months ago
  • nardo1224
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      nardo1224  
    • Buckeye_Bill:

      No you are not wrong, I took the bait. We have tried it their way and it does not work. Our system of voting is compromised. (rigged machines) our candidates are garbage (Why do we allow crooks to decide who we have as a candidate)? The rules that we have in place are ignored or blatantly disregarded.
      Every day I wake up I see us inching closer and closer to our doom and all I can think is where is everybody? I often think about the holocaust and how millions of Jews were led to their slaughter step by step and I can't help but see us trending toward that same fate. I am but one person with one life and as insignificant as I may be I will not stand by and do nothing. All I have is my voice and if I don't use it then I am no better that all the other people who just accept their situation as if they have no choice.

    • 5 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
    • nardo1224:

      Perhaps there is a way...if we band together for the common good!

      You and I both would love to see the day to come when the average, ordinary person refuses to go off to war to fight another person that feels the same way we do.

      All most of us want is a to have a decent job that pays a decent wage so we can afford a decent home and put decent clothes on our children and feed them decently while they are sent off to school to get a decent education.

      What screws that picture up for most of us is when politics or religion or nationality enters into the fray!

      But we all have one voice, one vote and if we all are of one mind, anything can be accomplished!

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QbbQMxSRA0&feature=player_detailpage#t=213s

    • 5 months ago
  • nardo1224
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      nardo1224  
    • Buckeye_Bill:

      That's because that is what we are taught as important. I really believe that people are passive because they are waiting for a non-existent God to swoop down and save them. Whenever I ask someone about our current situation 9 times out of 10 they reply God is in control or something to that effect and I want to scream"WELL WHAT IN THE HELL IS HE WAITING FOR?" I am contemplating training to run for office myself. How can I criticize others and not do anything myself. KIT.
      nardo1224

    • 5 months ago
  • nardo1224
  • Buckeye_Bill
  • Buckeye_Bill
  • nardo1224
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      nardo1224  
    • Buckeye_Bill:

      Damn! Just like every other warning, we choose to listen to our captors instead of listening to our saviors. Had we listened to Jimmy Carter we would not be so dependent oil. The one thing we have come to depend on had has ultimately become our cyanide capsule!

    • 5 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
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    • nardo1224:

      "Damn! Just like every other warning, we choose to listen to our captors instead of listening to our saviors."

      Sometimes drastic steps need to be used to awaken the People from their "slumber" so they will remember the past in order to not repeat it again and again and again!

      Which reminds me of a joke.

      A guy was traveling around the country with an elephant and betting people that they couldn't get his elephant to shake its head back and forth. Many bet and many tried but no one could get that elephant to shake its head back and forth. Then a little feller came up and bet the owner a thousand dollars he could get that elephant to shake its head back and forth. The owner, thinking that elephant was trained to not shake its head back and forth, made the bet with the little feller.

      All of a sudden the little feller hit that elephant right between the hind legs with a club! He then walked around to the front of the elephant and asked the elephant, "Do you want me to hit you again?"

      The elephant shook its head back and forth.

      The owner, mad that the little feller hit his elephant, paid the bet anyway.

      A year later, the same owner with the same elephant was traveling around the same countryside again. But the owner of the elephant was smarter than the previous year. This year the bet was no one could make his elephant move its head up and down. He made SURE that elephant wouldn't move its head up and down for nothing! But to be certain, the owner said no one could hit the elephant with a club, either!. Many made bets and many tried, but none could make that elephant move its head up and down, no matter how hard they tried!

      Then the same little feller came walking up wanting to bet he could make that elephant move its head up and down.. The owner said he'd make that bet with the little feller but the little feller couldn't use a club like he did last year! They made another thousand dollar bet.

      Then the little feller walked around to the front of the elephant and asked, "Do you remember me?"

      The elephant moved its head up and down.

    • 5 months ago
  • nardo1224
  • Buckeye_Bill
  • j_farris2
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      j_farris2  

    • See that's what your all not seeing who is advancing lock step sort of obsequiesness from Obama to us Liberals I think, while I respect and understand your guys dismay in some of what Obama has or hasn't done, your indifference now will do nothing but usher in the right wing which we all know oppose about 80-90% of what our platform stands for. In no way am I asking anyone to compromise their ideals or expectations, what I'm hoping to get across is for the circumstances that be you have to adapt or were all gonna be eaten for lunch. Whether you like Obama or think he has caved in on every thing he promised ( which is not true at all) the right wing minions are at work regardless trying to establish a plutocratic/fascist sort of rule on us as we speak and if were not all smart and realize who is a real ally and who is the real enemy to our idealism were gonna pay for it for a very long time to come. That's all this should be about, we can discuss the nuances after the fact, if we don't maintain some control in the government all of what we have now, what we want to have in the future could be circumspect at best I implore you all to consider. Remember their changing the voting laws all over the place to block the left wing out completely the best they can so we never get anything our way again, to say it's not important to vote, to say it's not critical to reelect Obama even with some boils and warts is to totally misconstrue and underestimate the nefarious forces of what were up against and that is just unhelpful, inept, even irresponsible.

    • 5 months ago
  • nardo1224
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      nardo1224  
    • j_farris2:

      So it's better to just stew in the pot and cook slowly than to do an instant boil huh? Regardless of the method, either way you goose is cooked and the only way to avoid it is to turn off the damn stove!

    • 5 months ago
  • cmc101
  • PetEr_Alan_ColE
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • Buckeye_Bill
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • Buckeye_Bill
  • ibrake4rappers13
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      ibrake4rappers13  
    • Buckeye_Bill:

      In no way am i attacking sandy Personally im just pointing out the blatant creation of multiple accounts. Do you think its right that he is manipulating the conversation like this? and voting down comments with multiple accounts?

    • 5 months ago
  • ibrake4rappers13
  • hombre76
  • Buckeye_Bill
  • hombre76
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      hombre76  
    • ibrake4rappers13:

      how is it sandy is banned and yet still leads a group and has a profile? is the current staff going easy cause they are friends? help me understand if you do I brake cause that looks like some BS imho.

    • 5 months ago
  • hombre76
  • ithink
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      ithink  

    • Give it a rest Cenk we heard you a little criticizm is all right but that high pitched whinny voice is beginning to be a pain in the ass.For a man to walk into the white house and have the power to get every thing done you want would mean this country is under the power of a dictatorship and if that would be the case you damn sure would not have gotten what you have so far.Now for the rest of you on here that seem to be under the impression that all he has to do is wave a wand and every thing is taken care of it does,nt work that way and you all know it.The reason things are like they are now is us the voters fault we liked what he was saying and we made him our president what we did,nt do was give him enough tools to get the job done and then in 2010 we let him down by causing him to lose more power.In nov 2012 we can correct our mistakes and give him a congress he can work with.So get out there and work for getting out the vote this country will come back and grow strong or will fail it is in our hands the voters.

    • 5 months ago
  • j_farris2
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      j_farris2  
    • ithink:

      Awesome Commentary ithink. See guys and gals this is the attitude that will keep the left wing realizing some of it's goals, maybe not all right away, or maybe never for some even, but to say that even the most right leaning democrat isn't better then any average right winger is just senseless an defeating the very causes we all basically interested in advancing i say.

    • 5 months ago
  • nardo1224
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      nardo1224  
    • ithink:

      "The reason things are like they are now is us the voters fault we liked what he was saying and we made him our president what we did,nt do was give him enough tools to get the job done and then in 2010 we let him down by causing him to lose more power"

      I beg to differ with you. When Obama came to power Democrats had control of the house and the senate. The problem was that The party is as divided as a party tray. 1/3 of Democrats(Reagan Democrats) would not go along with anything that he tried to do and when it came time to re-elect them, he stood up for them and campaigned for them.That's why Democrats lost in 2010. Had Obama pushed to get rid of the traitors in his party Democrats would have never lost. Also, Obama filled his cabinet with advisors who were the same people that caused the crash in the first place. Who would be stupid enough to vote in again the people who put their foot on your neck the first time!

    • 5 months ago
  • rook429
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      rook429  

    • Yes and let's not vote and wonder how a crook like Rick Scott gets elected in Florida or other Tea Partiers across the country in 2010. Let me warn you whether Obama gets elected or not in 2012, has little to say about what will get passed in Congress. The way the filibuster now works in the Senate, legislation can not be passed.

      However the Supreme Court and the Judiciary is still up for grabs, And that is where a President matters the most. The Citizens United case has done more to empower big unlimited money in politics than Congress and the FEC combined. If you get Newt or a Mitt Romney, you will have the Supreme Court empower the robber barons much like the Supreme Court did in the late 1800s and early 20th Century. The way out of the abyss is to climb one step a time instead of falling deeper in the cavern.

      Bush defeating Gore set politics far more back than the 8 years he was in office.

    • 5 months ago
  • Buddha2112
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      Buddha2112  

    • I just don't understand how people can still miss the fact that the party system is FUCKED. Haven't we been shown time and time again that both parties have the same agenda?

      The conflict between us, the division amongst us, is what keeps us from making progress, and that's exactly what both parties feed off of.

      It's good cop, bad cop, but guess what, we're still being run by corporate thugs and their security forces. If you still make excuses for a leader who signs our rights away, you're a traitor to not only your party but all of your fellow citizens.

    • 5 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
    • Buddha2112:

      And your answer is to sit on the sidelines and not participate?

      This is how it is in the short term. After the 2012 elections let's get something done...but there isn't enough time on the clock to change horses in midstream now.

      And don't for one nanosecond think there's no difference between the two parties.

      An Alan Grayson or Elizabeth Warren would not be allowed to park cars at a Republican Party rally, let alone be guests of honor!

    • 5 months ago
  • j_farris2
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      j_farris2  
    • Buddha2112:

      Bullpucky, Buddha2112. That u know is allot of bunk. While I agree we would be much better off with more parties to choose from and actually a true blue redesign of how one is elected, how long for, how many terms allowed and all that, to say just sit home now unless we can effect 100% of the liberal agenda or do a protest boycott which will do nothing then take us further away from realizing more liberal legislation is just being caught down in the trees and not seeing the whole forest of what can be achieve as we push along. How that is not more self-evident with some of you, just blows my "it's only my 2 cents anyway" little mind. :- |

    • 5 months ago
  • j_farris2
  • DanCastro
  • rook429
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      rook429  

    • This channel is owned partially by Al Gore. The same Al Gore who lost narrowly in 2000 because of people like Michael Moore who said there was not a dime's worth of difference between Bush Jr and Gore. He urged people to vote for Nader instead. It is a mistake he acknowledged and did not make the same mistake ever again.

      How did that work out for everyone especially since the courts are now loaded with right wing judges that will slow down any changes even if we are able to get it passed legislatively.

      Having said that, it does not mean you ignore issues that Obama is wrong on. Other than Al Sharpton, most of the left on TV talk from Ed Schultze, Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell do not keep their mouth shut when Obama is wrong. Cenk Uyger is carrying a lot of baggage from his days at MSNBC. He felt they put in a box of GOP and Democratic talking points.

      But Cenk is not always right on the issues. I heard him defend the mortgage deduction as a tax break for the middle class. You need a fairly expensive home to be able to get more than the standard deduction to take advantage of the home mortgage deduction. If you look at the income of the people who benefit from the home mortgage deduction, it is lot more of the one percent than the 99 percent.

      Doews it mean I want it eliminated? No, but if you look at who benefits the most from the home mortgage deduction under current law, it is not the middle class.

      I am not going to blackball Cenk because he is wrong on some issues.

    • 5 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
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      Buckeye_Bill  
    • rook429:

      Vice President Al Gore did not LOSE to George Bush...what happened in Florida was nothing short of voter rights being trampled upon when the Florida Governor, State Elections Officer and the Florida State Supreme Court tossed out tens of thousands of black voter ballots that would have swung the state to Mr. Gore. But since Jeb Bush could not win the "fixed fight" in Florida, it was quickly moved to the U.S. Supreme Court and they HANDED the "crown" to King George!

    • 5 months ago
  • fiberbundle
    • -3
      fiberbundle  

    • On paper Obama looks like Tarzan. . . But he plays like Jane. Its too late, I know for him to step aside, but I wish I could cast a vote for Hilliary.

    • 5 months ago
  • dinm76
  • Ambill94
    • +1
      Ambill94  

    • This is an intellectually insulting post...it doesn't matter if you like Cenk or not...but somone with a bully pulpit needs to speak out loud and clear about how the Reps, most Dems and this Pres keep screwing us...

      "Sour puss..."? Would you rather have someone like on the MSM who feed you nothing but pablum and ofter it with a smile...you know the ones who avoided OWS until it was so big they had to respond...and then spent weeks trying to destroy it with rhetoric so it would go away...

      And you are qualified to discuss voter suppression through negative media coverage by the one network that has the courage to support TYT...??? If there are any voters of any ilk who would be suppressed by young highly pissed of journalists who are calling it as they see it...let them stay home...

      If you haven't noticed the rules have changed...and if the game get too intense like often happens on TYT...use the power of the remote and watch FOX...

    • 5 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
    • +1
      Buckeye_Bill  
    • Ambill94:

      Cenk is interesting to watch....sometimes I feel as if I'm watching Fox "Light".

      Other times I think I'm watching a rerun of the Brady Bunch.

      But most of the time I do feel he makes a point that makes sense.

      I really do!

      He's just playing the base...not playing TO the base...BIG difference!

      Haven't you noticed? He's ALWAYS got that Cheshire Cat grin on his face most of the time!

      Now, I don't know about you, but when I'm speaking with someone and they can't keep from smiling, I wonder what size shovel they are seeing in their mind as they sling their BS hoping someone will pick up what they are spreading.

      I would LOVE to 'SCHOOL' Cenk....and think about his name....Cenk...pronunced Chain-k...as in he's pulling you "Chain...k?"

      Buy books, build schools, hire teachers....and what do I get for my investment?

      Schools burned down using those books while the teachers are molesting or getting molested by the students!

    • 5 months ago
  • Ambill94
  • JanforGore
    • +6
      JanforGore  

    • This isn't just about Democrats and Republicans. This is about Obama betraying the base that voted for him and acquiescing over and over again to the policies of his predecessor. Those who refuse to see that are the ones out of touch with reality. When he signs the NDAA and you still vote for him because you place party over country at any cost, you will be doing just what Bush voters did in 2004 instead of standing up for your country first. I hope you're proud. And frankly, I'm sick of seeing the soft sell here everytime a comment is made that criticizes his bowing to the oil industry, the big ag industry and every other destructive policy that is hurting our environment and economy. He is a Democrat in name only and real Democrats can see it. He is also not excluded from this as he was part of the Senate that backed Bush.

      None of what we see today that was precipitated by the fascists in our Congress would have been possible to happen had it not been for enablers like him. I protested against Bush and admired Kennedy, Roosevelt (both of them) and others for their policies. I am not a party apparatus Democrat who just does what they are told. I am a free thinking person with Democratic values who confronts those in goverment who do not display those principles regardless of the letter after their name .Obama does not emulate the spirit of those democratic values, he plays the game and as such It is my prerogative and mine alone to decide who I vote for. I'm beginning to wonder how many DLC and DNC members are on this site as well along with all the other political elements trying to sell people on candidates that on the whole are nothing more than the SOS.

      There is a change coming to this country and it doesn't include the same redundant campaigns every four years, the same soundbites and the same partisan back and forth BS that is not about the people but those involved in the banter and their aspirations. People are disillusioned across the board with the status quo and I say it is damn well about time WE WERE HEARD over the din of the same political party banter and empty promises on all sides.

    • 5 months ago
  • DamnFino
  • JanforGore
    • +5
      JanforGore  
    • DamnFino:

      It has already been proposed. It is happening now, but being squelched by this media and government. People are out in the streets demanding change. I am going to join them and I am NOT going to SETTLE ANYMORE because the other propositions only lead to the same circle jerk over and over again.

    • 5 months ago
  • coolplanet
    • +6
      coolplanet  
    • JanforGore:

      I'm a real Democrat (like Al Gore, a Centrist).
      I remember during the Clinton years my friends to the Left called him "the best Republican President we've ever had" and refused to vote for him -- all because he passed Welfare Reform.
      I am pissed off at Obama for caving in to the Tea Party, but we liberals created this situation (as we have in the past -- remember Newt's Contract ON America). But I see the choice we have right now and it scares the hell out of me!
      Unless we can come up with a Progressive alternative who has a chance to win the election I will vote a straight Democrat ticket next November.

    • 5 months ago
  • DamnFino
  • wolfess
    • +1
      wolfess  
    • DamnFino:

      I agree with both of you ... with the proviso that I will vote dem leading UP to the president ... if he continues to do what he has done these 3 years there is no way in all good conscience I can vote for him again. Even if that means I am willingly throwing my vote away! I am hoping Obama either gets the hint and does what we hired him to do, or that voting dem in all the other elections will mean whoever is prez next time is forced to deal with a majority of pissed-off newly-elected PROGRESSIVE dems so that we get our country back one way or the other.

      Pwr 2 the 99%! Dismember the assholocracy and their political WHORES!

    • 5 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
    • +4
      Buckeye_Bill  
    • JanforGore:

      Ms. Gore, I have not seen ANY evidence of your voice being squelched here @ Current.

      It amazes me how people think they are being denied their rights of speech, so long as it doesn't include personal ad hominem assaults, Current has basically been an open-minded "chalkboard" for debating issues between those of us who do not happen to see eye to eye.

      And as are mine, your opinions are posted for all to read and either side with or against. So long as respectful decorum is displayed between the two sides of an issue, no rights have been trampled that I have noticed.

      However, if I may, for you to be so insistent that Mr. Obama has done you harm in some way PERSONALLY, I would appreciate your showing your evidence before us all.

      How has your life changed? Have you not seen a rise in your income, if you work for an employer that pays a salary or wage, I'm quite certain that you must have seen an increase. And is that not what the Republicans are holding as if it were a hostage over their demands for a particular pipeline to be installed through some of the most prestine natural parks and reserves this nation possesses?

      And is it not this very same way Republicans have stymied EVERYTHING Mr. Obama and the Democrats have made attempts to carry out the Peoples' Business by employing one filibuster after another to gum up the works of government over and over again?

      And why would you see fit to lay that at the feet of either the President OR the Democrats is, to me, beyond all reason.

      They, the Republicans...are well known for their "Do Nothing" agendas that they put into place to bring down this president from day one. No...I say they began their dastardly plans BEFORE he took the Oath of Office!

      Roger Ailes had Glenn Beck at the starting gate ready for the pistol to fire for that "horse's ass" to immediately attack Mr.Obama's term as president with some of the most vile things an American could lodge against a man before he lifted one finger to put his Adminisrtation to the task of remeding the near insurmountable problems he inherited from George W. Bush!

      That's what I recall and continue to see happening with the President and his wanting to do the job we elected him for in the first place.

      Think of it as if you were building a dog house and every time you turned around I was removing the nails, kicking down the walls and generally doing my best to prevent you from accomplishing your task. This is what Mr. Obama has been faced with EVERY DAY of his being in Office!

      Have a good evening.

    • 5 months ago
  • JanforGore
    • +1
      JanforGore  
    • Buckeye_Bill:

      I meant SPEAK OUT as in the OWS movement. Do try to understand what you read. And I am currently unemployed and no I didn't see an increase. But I see a lot of businesses closing here and an empty food pantry. Progress? Some of you are definitely in denial.

    • 5 months ago
  • Buckeye_Bill
    • 0
      Buckeye_Bill  
    • Image
    • JanforGore:

      "Do try to understand what you read."

      It's unbecoming of a lady to stoop to a level of personal attacks, don't you think?

      So, why go there? I have been respectful towards you and your comments and feel as if you must be experiencing some sort of turmoil in your life to come at me as you are doing now.

      I do not wish to pick a fight with you, since I do hold you in high regard and I will refrain from saying anything now that might be construed by you as a rebuttal in anger.

      I shall let bygones be bygones between you and I.

      How's that?

      Oh, my abilities pertaining to the English language has been considered quite acceptable by some very knowledgeable people, so whatever you have said otherwise shall not be taken as an affront by moi.

      Mon français est considéré comme juste, aussi!

      P.S. I am saddened to hear of your unemployment situation. I hope things turn around very soon for you!

    • 5 months ago
  • cmc101
  • hombre76
  • cmc101
  • Anonmaly
    • +2
      Anonmaly  

    • Obama supports;

      The prohibition of a medicinal plant.....
      (Which props up a "soft" race-war, and organized criminal, what have become empires at this point, and the needless suffering of MANY ailing people, given the fact that 1in 2 American men will develop cancer at some point in their lives, and marijuana has been demonstrated to shrink tumors, the notion is atrocious....)

      Drone strikes on unarmed civilians.....
      (sorry if your drone accuracy is that bad, at some point in time you either quit or agree that killing innocent often women and children is acceptable)

      Indefinite detention....

      FUCK which candidate, everyone of them demonstrating a lack of concern for human rights (Obama falls in to that category), needs to have their shit thrown out their on front street until they fairly redress these legitimate grievances.....

      Whether it be Paul, Obama, doesn't matter, they all need to wake the fuck up, they only have the power given to them....

      No what's crazy is to accept BULL-SHIT out of any of them......

    • 5 months ago
  • coolplanet
    • +3
      coolplanet  

    • Republicans: "My President right or wrong."
      Democrats: "My President didn't deliver on everything he promised in the first two years so I won't vote in the mid-terms and let the Tea Party take over Congress."

    • 5 months ago
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