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Matt Damon Slams Obama, Democrats: 'One Term President With Some Balls Would Have Been Better'

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Matt Damon, one of Barack Obama's earliest supporters and once one of his most staunch advocates, slammed the President in the new issue of Elle Magazine.

"I've talked to a lot of people who worked for Obama at the grassroots level. One of them said to me, 'Never again. I will never be fooled again by a politician,'" Damon tells the magazine. "You know, a one-term president with some balls who actually got stuff done would have been, in the long run of the country, much better."

Referring to the Occupy Wall Street movement, Damon continued: "If the Democrats think that they didn't have a mandate -- people are literally without any focus or leadership, just wandering out into the streets to yell right now because they are so pissed off ... Imagine if they had a leader."

That echoes the President's own words to Diane Sawyer in March of 2010 when he said, "I'd rather be a really good one-term president than a mediocre two-term president... There's a tendency in Washington to think that our job description, of elected officials, is to get reelected. That's not our job description. Our job description is to solve problems and to help people."

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115 comments // Matt Damon Slams Obama, Democrats: 'One Term President With Some Balls Would Have Been Better'

  • avg_american
    • 0
      avg_american  
    • Ok folks, it's not perfect. We knew that.

      President Obama had plans and still does.

      He needs the votes in congress to make it happen, he cannot pencil whip 'change' into effect, it must be voted in by congress. That means, the American voters need to vote for Senators and Representatives that will vote to support the President...

      He needs the support of congress.
      2/3's of our government, one being congress, the other our judicial system, are broken, people.

      This didn't happen overnight, and it's not going to be fixed overnight and we knew that the 2010 elections got some of the stinkers out of office and some elections put stinkers into office.
      Hopefully people wised up, because the GOP is a churning machine with the sole purpose of making the richy-rich richer at the expense of the poor. And they stand in solidarity.

      Instead of cursing the darkness, light a candle, because this is the truth:
      All of the GOP candidates have signed a pledge to privatize social security.

      All you disciplined savers out there that scrimped and saved for your 401ks??? Remember all of the items that you wanted to buy, vacations that you said you would take? but instead you put your money in a 401k for your retirement???

      And now it’s gone.

      Imagine if you were an elderly person on social security taking a Wall Street hit on your meager pay.
      We need to stick together. We cannot indulge in this divisive behavior.

    • 5 months ago
  • Saladin
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      Saladin  
    • Actually, the funny thing is, if Obama had acted that way, he probably would have twice the amount of support he does right now.

      If he's re-elected, it will be in spite of his ineffectual, compromising nature. Not because of it.

      Otherwise, I pretty much agree with Damon.

    • 5 months ago
  • trut
  • infiniteblackbox
  • JohnA
  • corderodedios
    • -2
      corderodedios  
    • infiniteblackbox:

      Osama? So what. Nothing positive will come of that except sating Rightwingers' blood lust. Ghadafi? The truth of the whole Libyan show will not be pretty, but we'll have to wait a while until the truth is sorted out. LIke the Lockerbie bomber trial. Follow that one up? And the second great depression? We're still sliding downhill towards a precipice. We can't see over the edge yet. We'll see.

      But the President of the United States, carrying a Dunkin' Donuts jug of coffee and box of donuts? Think about it. Is it just that he thinks squandering dignity will get him points with, um, just whom? What's the point, exactly? Tell me, black box, what's the point?

    • 5 months ago
  • infiniteblackbox
  • corderodedios
    • 0
      corderodedios  
    • infiniteblackbox:

      Are you paraphrasing the Comedian from the movie Watchmen?

      There's a great article in this month's Esquire by Ken Kurson, entitled "God Bless Big Health." It points out that the poison pills embedded in the Obamacare act are beginning to blossom forth: first, of course, was the ridiculous proposal that a law can force all Americans to buy a product such as "health insurance." Might as well force people to buy "Good 'n Plenty" candy. That's already been found unconstitutional by a lower court, which will be confirmed by the Supremes without doubt. Then there's a little-known provision raising revenue to pay for the act by such things as a "tanning tax," which taxes tanning booth income from hair salons and movie-rental outlets with tanning beds, but not gyms or health clubs. Joke, you say? More people now are without health insurance than when Obamacare was passed. Obamaphiles crow that now more children are insured by the Act, but those children are actully 22-26 year old adults on their parents' policies, which incidentally stick the parents with copays and deductibles - frequently on the only insurance they can afford, catastrophic coverage with multi-thousand dollar deductibles - a boon to hospitals and insurers alike, who are reaping benefits from increasingly lucrative catastrophic coverage policies.

      In fact, the article goes on to observe that all five big health insurers (Aetna, Humana, etc) have are all now "wildly profitable" with record and increasing profits. You'd think the article, in the frequently-"liberal" Esquire, would decry this sort of thing, but it's actually an article by an investment advisor, who is pimping the desirability of investing in these insurance companies, who are so profitable now that they are increasing dividends paid to the investor class from the money they are extracting from the insured. The author goes on to note that apparently because of mass delusional thinking, stock prices and P/E ratios of insurers are historically low right now, and, when Obamacare completes the obvious crash-and-burn the Act is in the process of, these companies will take off. Are you listening?

      I will quote from the article, hoping that neither I nor Current will fall afoul of the impending SOPA legislation that will allow the Corporatocracy to shut down and seize offending websites. But here goes:

      The author ends with: "I believe that American capitalism has produced the finest health-care system in the world." And he concludes, "The health-care law attempting to remake that system cannot endure. And when it's erased, much-maligned Big Health will join previous Hollywood bad guys Big Oil and Big Tobacco as great American businesses that do their best to enrich investors who have put their hard-won capital at risk."

      Joke?

    • 5 months ago
  • WickedCats
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      WickedCats  
    • I feel the same. While I think the other choice would have been worse, I really felt like Obama's wanting to "work" with the Republicans has hurt him in many ways. There is no working with them. I feel like he's backed way from so many of his promises, mainly taxing the wealthy and getting them to pay their fair share of the taxes. After Gore's bid was stolen from him, I began voting Green party. I voted for Obama, but I'm seriously wondering if I should vote Green again. Sure, some think I'm throwing my vote away, but I don't see it that way. We are done a disservice only having really 2 choices. With campaign donations made to only two parties by Big Business, unfortunately you never get to really see your other choices unless you really do some digging.

    • 5 months ago
  • Varex_Sythe
    • +3
      Varex_Sythe  
    • WickedCats:

      Eh, I personally think that we need to get out of the two party system. If we could get two, or possibly three, more political parties as major parties then I think the two we have right now would have to shape the fuck up or they would not be able to compete politically.

    • 5 months ago
  • Rodashar
    • +2
      Rodashar  
    • Varex_Sythe:

      Both systems have their own unique challenges. Take here in Canada for instance. We have many parties but most of the vote is split between the major left parties so the only right wing party gets a mandate to rule with far less then half the vote. I agree the multiparty system is better in general but there should be some checks and balances that prevent just anyone from starting a party. Nothing quite as frustrating as being ruled by a party that 60% of the country hates.

    • 5 months ago
  • tommic
    • -5
      tommic  
    • Matt Damon shows just how little he knows about politics. Great actor great activist but dumb as a stick when it comes to politics

    • 5 months ago
  • JangoFetish
  • VFORVENDETTA
  • JangoFetish
  • Jake_Leonard
    • +4
      Jake_Leonard  
    • Well, I can sympathize with Matt's frustrations on Obama. Fortunately, Matt has the privilege to speak out loudly, and intellectually. He's done a great deal for progressive movements.

      That still doesn't change the fact that he's an actor, not a politician in specialization. I read an article from his close associate and activist, George Clooney, who said that basically the Democrats did fairly well all-things considered, but the Democrats are terrible sellers in comparison to the GOP. He then exampled how if the GOP stitched the country together as well as Barrack for these past four years, they'd be boasting 24/7.

      I'm more in line with Clooney, but even Clooney missed the point of corporate mainstream media being in the hands of really only the GOP. While progressives "might" have Hollywood, people are going to take things labeled as "news" far more seriously when it comes to political decisions.

      I too hope to see the real Obama prior to the election so he has at least a chance of reelection. Most importantly, I hope he remains progressive in the aftermath...

      His only other option, as I've been saying on here, is to assume the center-right stance and marginalize the GOP—which will likely only work if he assumes power over media.

    • 5 months ago
  • cantucwearebrothers
  • corderodedios
  • mii
    • +3
      mii  
    • We all need to be level headed here.
      Slamming Obama, warts and all, will not
      help the American people if the Republicans
      take over. It will only insure that the middle
      class will surely fade away with our rights to
      education,health care, and basic human dignity
      which the Republicans demonstrate at every
      opportunity, only belongs to the wealthy.

    • 5 months ago
  • cantucwearebrothers
  • truthglow
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      truthglow  
    • mii:

      This fear is what has been destroying our country. It's time, at long last, to take a REAL stand. We can no longer settle for the lesser of 2 EVILS from the corporate Dem/ReThug party. They have taken us to the point of a Fascist Police State. Soon, we will have to REALLY battle in the streets. Our rights are disappearing on a daily basis. This time, I'm going with a man of REAL character, Rocky Anderson of the newly formed Justice Party. Look him up. We don't have to settle. If that causes Obama to lose, we will have lost nothing. Obama is just another corporate dictator, only one with a prettier face, who speaks nicer words. He fooled millions of people, including me, but NEVER AGAIN!

    • 5 months ago
  • HurricaneDavid
    • +3
      HurricaneDavid  
    • I, too, am somewhat tarnished by Obama. However, the other choice would've CERTAINLY landed our country in the BIN! ALSO, it takes MORE than 4 measley years to properly correct an 8 year American Holocaust! Hang in there Matt.

    • 5 months ago
  • truthglow
    • +1
      truthglow  
    • I agree wholeheartedly with Matt. I really was excited about Obama the first time around, and I worked very hard for him. But he let us all down, and I won't make that same mistake again. Remember G.W.'s old addage, "Fool me once, shame on you?" "Fool me twice, ................?" This time, I'm supporting Rocky Anderson, the former, progressive Democratic 2-term Mayor of Salt Lake City, in his presidential bid from the newly-formed Justice Party. It's better to be FOR someone than to merely settle for the lesser of 2 EVILS, & I refuse to do that this time around. Please read Rocky's principles, and you will understand what I mean.

    • 5 months ago
  • artemis6
  • noxidereus
  • VFORVENDETTA
  • unimatrix0
  • cantucwearebrothers
  • kgMA
    • +3
      kgMA  
    • truthglow:

      So what does Rocky Anderson do with a house full of obstructionist and a senate full of dysfunctional old farts who only care about themselves and those who paid their way into the dance? I'm sure the Congress would simply snap to attention and start doing what Rocky says is best for America! Change Congress!

    • 5 months ago
  • kgMA
    • +2
      kgMA  
    • cantucwearebrothers:

      slightly better then the alternative, I'd say! Try the alternative plan, no SSI, no Medicare, no Education programs, no EPA, no Unions, no Minimum wage, full military employment for those who enjoy being sent to never ending wars, no food stamp programs, no fuel assistance for the elderly and poor as they freeze to death, throw everyone without a job into labor camps or prison if they refuse to work for slave wages, starving children are now allowed to work in factories for meals, women's rights are removed, 7 out of 9 Supreme Court judges will lean towards the right, voting rights for millions will disappear, 24/7 police state protection for the wealthy, freedom of speech is gone completely and is a punishable offence, higher taxes for the middle and poor and lower taxes on the wealthy, etc. etc.! Sad thing is, much of the above is reality! Its your choice!

    • 5 months ago
  • hombre76
    • -4
      hombre76  
    • unimatrix0:

      voting for some one because they wine and dine you before raping you as oppossed to the guy who justs rapes you is a waste why dont you stop hanging with either of them. Them being the dems and the rethugs. you can assign either their role it makes no differance.

    • 5 months ago
  • hombre76
    • -3
      hombre76  
    • kgMA:

      he could use the bully pulpit to constantly expose them as such to the American people and not comprimise or capitulate to the whims of these obstructionists like Obama has for one.

    • 5 months ago
  • hombre76
    • -2
      hombre76  
    • kgMA:

      we already have that and the fact that you dont know or are unwilling to acknowlage this shows how unconnected to the reality we all face and in the pocket of your dear Leader that you are. So given this fact is it any wonder how no one gives a shit what people like you think? The republicans are oing to win this election not because of us but because Obama has fucked up his one chance to realy change any goddamn thing.

    • 5 months ago
  • kgMA
    • +2
      kgMA  
    • hombre76:

      No SSI, no Medicare, no Education programs, no EPA, no Unions, no Minimum wage, full military employment for those who enjoy being sent to never ending wars, no food stamp programs, no fuel assistance for the elderly and poor as they freeze to death, throw everyone without a job into labor camps or prison if they refuse to work for slave wages, starving children are now allowed to work in factories for meals, women's rights are removed, 7 out of 9 Supreme Court judges will lean towards the right, voting rights for millions will disappear, 24/7 police state protection for the wealthy, freedom of speech is gone completely and is a punishable offence, higher taxes for the middle and poor and lower taxes on the wealthy!

      So lightning bolt, which of the above can your family, your friends, your girlfriends, your aunts, your uncles, your loved one, your kids, your parents, or your grandparents live without when the Republicans take control? Which of the above are you rooting for champ?
      And while we're on the subject, I'd like to add one additional fact, your republican friends on the right are not oing to win shit!

    • 5 months ago
  • unimatrix0
  • cantucwearebrothers
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      cantucwearebrothers  
    • unimatrix0:

      Wow...cowardice!

      I believe the opposite is true. If we all voted for who we thought was the right candidate and not the lesser of two evils where would we be? If people gave it half a thought prior to electing Obama where would we be? The writing was on the wall with him; it's unfortunate, but it's true.

      To say that my vote is wasted because I don't vote with the majority of a collective group of people is asinine.

    • 5 months ago
  • cantucwearebrothers
    • 0
      cantucwearebrothers  
    • kgMA:

      So which is better? Having all of the things that you mentioned occur and maybe piss the people off just enough to take action or simmering just under the surface where enough of those things are happening that many are struggling, but not so much that we feel quite backed into a corner yet.

      We're getting to that point, though slowly with Obama. It must be agreed upon that he isn't what most expected him to be; what most wanted him to be. Why would you reelect someone who has so thoroughly let you down?

      When I decide to cast my vote for the perceived 'better' of two major candidates, neither of whom I believe in, is the day I've given up.

    • 5 months ago
  • unimatrix0
    • 0
      unimatrix0  
    • cantucwearebrothers:

      Your vote for some nobody is a wasted vote - you are simply checking out of the system - which is of course your prerogative. But I still say it is ultimately an act of denial and cowardice. It takes much more courage to deal with reality and make hard choices than simply surrender and voyage off to la la land.

    • 5 months ago
  • cantucwearebrothers
    • +2
      cantucwearebrothers  
    • unimatrix0:

      That type of thinking part of the reason behind the fact that our government is so fucked up. You've succumb to the pressure, to what is expected. The results we're getting from that type of thinking don't seem to be working out for the population as a whole. It's time to try something different.

    • 5 months ago
  • rossmick
    • +4
      rossmick  
    • Unfortunately I have to agree with Matt. However, I am hopeful that in this next 12 months we see a real leader emerge and that he leads this country – the eternal optimist.

    • 5 months ago
  • VFORVENDETTA
    • -2
      VFORVENDETTA  
    • rossmick:

      Of course I agree with Matt as well, but in all likelihood-not from my vote, as I am no longer willing to vote for plutocrats-Obama will get a second term, and the people will pretty much get the same lame deal, because Obama is a plutocrat, I can appreciate your optimism, but as a realist, I understand that there is a fine line between optimism and foolishness, and expecting Obama to make such a drastic and sudden change is like expecting a dog to bark like a cat, it ain't going to happen.

    • 5 months ago
  • alexandrek
  • artemis6
  • CalgarC
  • corderodedios
    • -10
      corderodedios  
    • Obama's got more balls than you give him credit for. He's doing exactly what he wants. He's a Neocon fifth columnist. It's the whining little shi-tsus and bunny rabbit liberals who have it wrong. You think he's weak but he's pulled off the actual destruction of our Nation. I say deliberately.

    • 5 months ago
  • artemis6
  • joeredford
  • FLeggplant
    • +1
      FLeggplant  
    • I agree that the President could have more of a spine.
      I would have really liked to have seen Alan Grayson or Bernie Sanders
      put the do-nothing Repubs in their place.
      However, Obama is at the very least somewhat for the people.
      That's a helluva lot more than ANY Republican who would gleefully take away your right to breath.
      A non-vote is a vote for Republicans!

      Obama/Biden 2012
      Dems re-take the House and Rock the Senate.

    • 5 months ago
  • ThirdSection
  • corderodedios
  • ThirdSection
  • unimatrix0
  • kgMA
    • +2
      kgMA  
    • FLeggplant:

      I might add, those of us here who believe a change in the White House will solve all of our problems are sadly mistaken!

      If you want change, change I believe most of us are hoping for, it will not happen with a Republican in the oval office! No way! No how! No thanks!

      The change we're all looking for will only happen when we send the crooks, cheats, and liars in the House and Senate, where corruption breeds like a germ in an open sore, to jail!
      Sure, blame Obama for being weak! Criticize his stand on issues we as progressives or liberals do not support! Demand from him things he promised that Christ himself couldn't produce with this Congress! Hell, Congress is only good when playing, "Lets all pretend we're working together!"

      Lets elect a Republican to the White House and all of our problems will be solved!
      Two words jump out! BUSH - CHENEY

      Lets elect a Republican to the White House, because our Senate and House has done a terrific job protecting the best interest of the people! All but the poor or middle class, that is!

      Lets elect a Republican majority in Senate and a Republican majority in the House and all of THIER problems will disappear!

      Lets act like Democrats and screw ourselves by voting or supporting a Republican!

      Lets look in a mirror and ask ourselves, are we Democrats or Republicans?
      From where I'm sitting, its hard to tell the difference!

    • 5 months ago
  • kgMA
    • +2
      kgMA  
    • corderodedios:

      A liberal state government will do that for you! Romney is not a liberal, he's a spineless ass kiss who would sell his soul for a vote, but I do agree, Gingrich or Paul would be a disaster and Romney makes three!
      BTW! Obama was never a liberal! We just wished he was back in 08 but didn't listen. The right said he was liberal but he proved them wrong!

    • 5 months ago
  • ThirdSection
  • corderodedios
    • -1
      corderodedios  
    • ThirdSection:

      Romney's a bad choice but he is in fact more liberal than Obama if you evaluate his record as governor of MA and look as what Obama does rather than what he says. Let's see if he signs the military appropriation act. They're all bad choices. Obama brought us the 2010 midterm Republican landslide in Congress and 2012 is shaping up to be a real nightmare. Courtesy of Obama.

      And by the way, you have to have big brass balls to be a politically successful Chicago lawyer who makes it into the Senate and two years later to the White House, with little experience at the National level and no discernable experience in foreign policy. Obama's an elitist plutocrat and dissimulator, and he's got huge balls. A lot of the seeming liberal/progressives right here on current are being screwed with them right now. He's getting exactly what he wants. Go listen to Michael Moore, who says Wall Street has picked their man for 2012: Obama.

    • 5 months ago
  • corderodedios
    • -1
      corderodedios  
    • kgMA:

      Yes, technically - "more" liberal does not mean "liberal," he's just further along the spectrum from Neocon through Progressive. I don't like Romney and wouldn't vote for him, but he'd be a better, more honest president. Otherwise we could get a real hum-dinger like Paul or Gingrich.

    • 5 months ago
  • corderodedios
  • SFirman
    • +1
      SFirman  
    • FLeggplant:

      Good comment. Obama is by far the best for the middle class. The Republicans running will take our safety nets and are for the 1%. Neither of them will get my vote. I will never give it away to a third party. Boner and his house will be replaced.

      Obama/Biden 2012

    • 5 months ago
  • SFirman
  • infiniteblackbox
    • +1
      infiniteblackbox  
    • A huge fraction of the populace does not vote; in fact, in the 2000 presidential election, only 36.1% of the people aged 18-24 voted. What does this tell you about our system?

      We do not live in a Democracy. We live in a Republic. (Read Barry's Krusch's If Triangles Are Square, America is a Democracy for a detailed discussion on this.) James Madison wrote in Federalist 14,

      "The true distinction between these forms . . . is, that in a Democracy, the people meet and exercise the government in person; in a republic, they assemble and administer it by their representatives and agents."
      I do not support a system of government based on representatives and agents. It is inefficient and invariably corrupt. I believe people who are serious about government should get away from labels. If you want to be career politician or even practice politics, go for it, but the result is what we have in places like the US or even in China. If you really want something where decisions are made that really mean "consent of the governed", we need to think of new models of government outside of the US, perhaps more global in scale (since the world has always been interconnected) and uses technology (i.e., the Internet) to our advantage and to make it happen. "Voting your your feet" has to become a reality. We don't need a Congress and an executive to make laws and run the government, it can be done directly by the people, as a form of crowd sourcing. The technical details are difficult but not insurmountable. The goal *has to be* getting to a point where it is the people who are running the show instead of "elected representatives" (aka politicians).

    • 5 months ago
  • corderodedios
    • 0
      corderodedios  
    • infiniteblackbox:

      Exactly so. The Swiss Canton system is much as you describe. The people meet to solve problems, rather than elect other people to solve the problems. We've been brainwashed to view politicians as movie stars. Obama was glamorous and, wow!, the first black elected President. Unfortunately, it took America until the 2010 midterms to realize he was just another Clarence Thomas, but a liar and dissimulator to boot.

    • 5 months ago
  • alexandrek
  • VFORVENDETTA
    • +8
      VFORVENDETTA  
    • infiniteblackbox:

      Although I agree wholeheartedly that we do not live in a Democracy, I disagree with the assertion that we live in a Republic.

      America currently is, and always has been by definition a Plutocracy, with a few Democratic elements which seem to ebb and flow in an elliptical social pattern, where we stand right now, is that capitalism is rapidly and transparently transitioning into its next logical step, corporate Fascism.

    • 5 months ago
  • truthglow
  • artemis6
  • VFORVENDETTA
    • -1
      VFORVENDETTA  
    • truthglow:

      Yes, and as things continue to get worse for the people, with more and more desperate people in desperate circumstances, the paramilitary cyborgs presence and suppression will only become worse and worse, count on it.

    • 5 months ago
  • remanns
  • remanns
    • +1
      remanns  
    • VFORVENDETTA:

      OK - go be a bummer DUDE ! .....I was passively semantically comfortable with the whole "Republic" v.c "Democracy" distinction.....just sitting here letting the coffee settle in,......but I do fully agree with you. ( I suspect a LOT of "governmental forms" are actually Plutocracies at their core )

    • 5 months ago
  • VFORVENDETTA
    • -2
      VFORVENDETTA  
    • remanns:

      Yah, I mean what Infiniteblackbox is saying, about America being a republic, has the distinction of being simultaneously correct yet patently false. Yes technically, America is a republic, technically, but since practically all of the "representatives" of this "representative" government are in fact plutocrats, it is not America "by the politicians, of the politicians and for the politicians" as he claims, but rather, by the plutocrats, of the plutocrats and for the plutocrats, ergo, America is in fact a plutocracy, and he is confusing politicians with plutocrats, the two are not synonymous.

    • 5 months ago
  • corderodedios
  • infiniteblackbox
    • +3
      infiniteblackbox  
    • "If voting made a difference, it would be illegal."
      "Don't vote - it only encourages them."
      "Voters decide nothing; people who count votes decide everything." --Joseph Stalin

      Anarchism is founded on the observation that since few men are wise enough to rule themselves, even fewer are wise enough to rule others. --Edward Abbey

      "Political cunning ever sings the praise of the mass: the poor majority, the outraged, the abused, the giant majority, if only it would follow us. Who has not heard this litany before? Who does not know this never-varying refrain of all politicians? That the mass bleeds, that it is being robbed and exploited, I know as well as our vote-baiters. But I insist that not a handful of parasites, but the mass itself is responsible for this horrible state of affairs. It clings to its masters, loves the whip, and is the first to cry Crucify! the moment a protesting voice is raised against the sacredness of capitalistic authority or any other decayed institution. Yet how long would authority and private property exist, if not for the willingness of the mass to become soldiers, policemen, jailers, and hangmen..." --Emma Goldman, 1917

      "In truth, in the case of individuals, their actual voting is not to be taken as proof of consent, EVEN FOR THE TIME BEING. On the contrary, it is to be considered that, without his consent having even been asked a man finds himself environed by a government that he cannot resist; a government that forces him to pay money, render service, and forego the exercise of many of his natural rights, under peril of weighty punishments. He sees, too, that other men practice this tyranny over him by the use of the ballot. He sees further, that, if he will but use the ballot himself, he has some chance of relieving himself from this tyranny of others, by subjecting them to his own. In short, he finds himself, without his consent, so situated that, if he use the ballot, he may become a master; if he does not use it, he must become a slave. And he has no other alternative than these two. In self- defence, he attempts the former. His case is analogous to that of a man who has been forced into battle, where he must either kill others, or be killed himself. Because, to save his own life in battle, a man takes the lives of his opponents, it is not to be inferred that the battle is one of his own choosing. Neither in contests with the ballot -- which is a mere substitute for a bullet -- because, as his only chance of self- preservation, a man uses a ballot, is it to be inferred that the contest is one into which he voluntarily entered; that he voluntarily set up all his own natural rights, as a stake against those of others, to be lost or won by the mere power of numbers. On the contrary, it is to be considered that, in an exigency into which he had been forced by others, and in which no other means of self-defence offered, he, as a matter of necessity, used the only one that was left to him....Doubtless the most miserable of men, under the most oppressive government in the world, if allowed the ballot, would use it, if they could see any chance of thereby meliorating their condition. But it would not, therefore, be a legitimate inference that the government itself, that crushes them, was one which they had voluntarily set up, or even consented to." --Lysander Spooner

      "State is the name of the coldest of all cold monsters. Coldly it tells lies too; and this lie craws out of its mouth: ``I, the state, am the people.'' That is a lie! It was creators who created peoples and hung a faith and a love over them: thus they served life." --Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra

    • 5 months ago
  • infiniteblackbox
    • +3
      infiniteblackbox  
    • This is not for Democrats, or Republicans, or Libertarians, or members of the Green or Reform parties. This is for people who are highly individualistic and don't identify themselves with any of the political parties in the American political system. Not due to the fact that they don't share the ideology of the party, but because they don't believe in the ideology of the current political system. This is for people who believe in a pure (100%) democracy.

      I don't believe our current government is "by the people, of the people, and for the people." This is the only valid government regardless of how it is achieved. Our government, looking at it very generously, is by the people through their elected representatives, of the elected representatives, and it is for people according to what the elected representatives think the people want." "Elected representative" translates to "politician" in this day and age. At this point, I shouldn't have to say more about the American political system, i.e., it should all be self evident from the words "career politician". But I will.

      The above statement of what I think the government is is an abstract one. In a perfect world, that system might well translate to "by the people, of the people, and for the people." However, in this case, elected representatives are humans. Humans are prone to ethical and character flaws. Further, politics has become motivated by self-interest rather than public interest. The word "public servant" does not apply to the Congress people (legislative), the President (executive), or the Supreme Court (judiciary). They seem to exist to serve their own self-interests, be it power, money, or getting votes to retain their positions. With these motivations, it is clear that the government really is "by the politicians, of the politicians, and for the politicians." That is what I view the current governmental system as. The President, the Congress people, and other politicians in power are far removed, physically and ideologically, from the interests of the average person. Frankly, I don't think it's that different from a monarchy and I think the average person has little or no say in the workings of the government. That seems a bit incongruous given that we live in a republic.

      If you look at the record of U.S. Congress, for example, they're hardly the sort of people who should be running this country (i.e., based on the number of transgresses they've committed based on laws they themselves have passed)! The problem with a "representative democracy" (i.e., republic) is that people who are in power are generally those who seek it. And people who covet power in my mind are NOT the ones who should be having power over others. And by voting in the current system, you impose upon others who disagree with you your tyranny of the majority.

      I don't believe in the concept of "rights"---these are just granted and taken away by people in power, even though the legal language says the government "secures" these "rights". The Founders of America said they believed certain rights were "inalienable". Who were they to decide that? Further, even accepting their wisdom, the first thing they did was go against the very things they had written (anti-sedition laws, discrimination against women and blacks, etc.). (And I do accept the wisdom of most of these people.) So everything is corruptible. I believe that your enumerated "rights" are slowly being eroded even before the ink began to dry by politicians, in the name of security and patriotism. Of course, with better technology, we've gained a lot more and most don't notice it.

      I oppose the entire political system. I think the entire system should be turned on its head. Not by shrinking the present government or making minor changes to it, but by completely razing it to its foundations and rebuilding it with only natural (physical or technological) laws. There are hundreds of issues that can be raised here, and I don't have all the answers nor do I claim to. I'm a pacifist and I don't recommend people marching up to the White House and ousting its occupants; I don't think violence solves any problems (though it should be pointed out that governments of the world have been the biggest mass murderers of all time). I think the whole notion of countries with borders is outdated and outmoded in this Internet era, and only serves to make a populace subservient. Globalisation has already occurred in the online world. It's just a matter of everyone getting on the bandwagon. I think eventually the electronic age will eliminate all need for a government, and people will be able to realise a pure democracy (it already exists in the confines of the Internet).

      For now, I simply recommend not voting. If everyone didn't vote, the message sent out to the politicians who hold power would be clear: our emperors have no clothes. People by voting today hope to buy a limited access to power that has long been sold out; the vote only determines which sell out one is closer to. Many people hold back from telling our emperors that they're naked, but if they did, the power mongers would be forced to confront themselves in front of a mirror. As long as Americans fail to make this statement, they will always be disappointed with their elected candidates.

      By voting, you're subjugating yourself to the wisdom of someone who's no more wise than your mother, or even yourself. The only difference is that they have a desire to subjugate, and people who vote (for a person) have a desire to be subjugated. By placing themselves into nice categories, like "Democrat", "Republican", or "Libertarian", they objectify themselves.

      Ultimately, in a gross philosophical sense, the motivation for not voting is the same as the one for voting. People say they vote to make a political statement, to have a say in things (albeit indirectly). Not voting is making an equally valid political statement, but one that is made about the whole system, not just a candidate.

    • 5 months ago
  • CitizenHill
    • +1
      CitizenHill  
    • infiniteblackbox:

      When the U S Constitution is/was ignored and/or subverted from it's intended purpose to protect the just and sovereign free interests of its citizens . . . and then let to evolve into a near tyrannical "governing body" through the means of a "democracy" (majority rule) for which it never was intended . . . and thereby, having been left unattended, constitutional justice by the rule of law for the purpose of protecting citizens freedoms were gradually and subjectively subverted by politicians who woo and sway support from the populace with promises of austerity by an "all caring and benevolent Government," creating a nation of snivelling co-dependent sycophants, willing to sell their very souls for the siren song of Utopia.
      . . . we've then further allowed our national and personal interests to slowly be eroded away through political corruption by our perceived "representative" government (aka politicians - who we foolishly re-elect year after year) subjectively telling each of "their/our" "special interest groups" what they want to hear, when objectively (and rationally) it likely was not (or was ever) realistically feasible.
      Continually, for decades our "representative" government nefariously and insidiously have been allowing the plunder of the American people, while deeply rooting their own interests for power, all the while partners in collusion with the banking, corporations and unions cartels. . . and thereby socially engineering a statist/corporatist bureaucratic entity which justly can be called the NRP (New Ruling Plutocracy).

      ~ What next? . . plutocratic tyranny?

      It is said, that sanity can be defined as constantly doing the same thing continually and constantly expecting a different result . . . here we go again!

    • 5 months ago
  • DudleyDooleft
    • +4
      DudleyDooleft  
    • I'm with Damon on all points mentioned here. Considering the ignorance and downright mean spirited manipulations of our teapublican congressional reps, President Obama has done better than it appears in the msm. But he is a weak leader at a time when the country needs a strong leader to fend off the onslaught of attacks on our basic rights by the republican far right and conservatives in general. President Obama has let his quest and desire for a second term rule over his actions in the first term and over the will of the majority of the American people. "Actions speak louder than words" especially for the president.

      Thanks for the post WakeUpPeople!

    • 5 months ago
  • SoCalFramer
    • -1
      SoCalFramer  
    • If Michelle would give him back that jar above the refrigerator where she keeps his balls we would all be better off. I sure hope he wins the next election and we do not have a republican in the white house.

    • 5 months ago
  • maasanova
    • +3
      maasanova  
    • Look past Obama to the people who he surrounded himself with; the people who coddled him and opened doors for him during his college days and early career.

    • 5 months ago
  • corderodedios
    • +1
      corderodedios  
    • maasanova:

      Right to the point. Look also at the people he surrounded himself with as POTUS. Geithner, a Wall Street bandito. George Duh-byuh Bush's SecDef Gates, even. And now the simpering Leon Panetta. Masters of the economy and war. And look at what has brought us down. And now the pending military appropriations act. Holy Smoke! What does it take to jar folks out of their delusions about Obama?

    • 5 months ago
  • truthglow
    • +2
      truthglow  
    • corderodedios:

      I agree with that. He held out so much hope, and now it's all gone. Anyone who thinks he'll go back to what we thought he was, is living in a fantasy. We need someone new, like Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party. The hell with the Dem/ReThug Corporate Party.

    • 5 months ago
  • Leen61
  • lifestudentno83
    • +1
      lifestudentno83  
    • Seriously, Obama was trying to play nice with mudslingers. It's admirable to a point, but he represents the people as POTUS. He should have been playing hardball to get the economy back on track; Instead he kept caving into Republican pressure and made himself look soft. He will most likely win because people are too scared or don't know how to vote for a 3rd party candidate due to the bi-partisan gridlock we have in our democratic system. Unfortunately that will not stem the growing dissent that has built up over Washington politics in both the Tea Party and Occupy factions. Whoever gets the nod, be certain they will be under the scrutiny of a microscope.

      Speaking of scrutiny, we should not be giving Obama a pass because he's a Democrat; if anything that is more of a reason to put him under a microscope. Given his stance on NDAA in it's current form, no one should be willing to climb onto the Obama bandwagon without some careful thought.

    • 5 months ago
  • nikonwilly
    • +6
      nikonwilly  
    • Right on Damon!! I'm encouraged that he used the occupy movement as his reference. Obama is nothing more than a typical puppet politician...when are you party followers going to wake up and realize ...BOTH of our political parties are corrupt ,corporate owned elitist....there are so few actual caring, concerned human beings in power in this Country that you could pen their names on a match book cover. It's beginning to seem like Obama's agenda from the start was to do as little as possible and use the insanity of the Republican party as blame ...he's fought for nothing , his campaign slogan will be, " I wanted to do so much, but the guys on the other side of the aisle held me in check" It's a great excuse because there is a smidgen of truth to it...his plan was in play from the start.

    • 5 months ago
  • cantucwearebrothers
  • MSII
    • +1
      MSII  
    • I have to agree. I wish i didn't but i do... I like the president as a person and deeply respect his intellect (and it is such a deep pleasure to have a president with a deep intellect for a change after the last 1...) I wish he'd use his power and -FIGHT!- Use that "bully palpate"! (I probably spelled that wrong, but you know what I mean) Take the truth to the people, it may not work but if you don't actually try well... Show me the FIRE!

    • 5 months ago
  • truthglow
    • +2
      truthglow  
    • MSII:

      He's only an actor trying to win another role as Prez. I believed in him for a year or 2, but grudgingly came to that conclusion. If one reads and watches, there is no other conclusion to come to.

    • 5 months ago
  • ahiguy
    • -4
      ahiguy  
    • truthglow:

      I saw through this sick puppy four years ago...
      He's just as he has always been; a master oratorical illusionist & pathological narcissist with delusions of grandeur... O'bama's completely divorced from serving the values of a constitutional republic, he's diabolically obsessed with the intent of instituting an aristocratic ruled socialist Utopian society à la Saul Alinsky strategy of class warfare.

    • 5 months ago
  • VFORVENDETTA
    • 0
      VFORVENDETTA  
    • ahiguy:

      Before posting any further convoluted statements, I strongly suggest you learn to consult a good English-language dictionary, statements such as: "instituting an aristocratic ruled socialist Utopian society" make absolutely no fucking sense, since by definition an aristocratic ruled society, would be the antithesis of a socialist utopian society, so either open a dictionary, take your meds, or preferably do both.

    • 5 months ago
  • truthglow
    • 0
      truthglow  
    • MSII:

      He uses big words, but if he were really "intelligent," he would have been nicer to his base. Instead, he catered too much to the Right. That was downright DUMB! Now his base is pretty much fed up with him.

    • 5 months ago
  • truthglow
  • MSII
  • MSII
  • ahiguy
    • 0
      ahiguy  
    • VFORVENDETTA:

      On the contrary... Socialism IS aristocratic rule... promising Utopia through legislated equality and social justice and promising altruistic benevolence to those who forfeiture their freedom of self determination.
      Get outside of your box.

    • 5 months ago
  • remanns
    • +6
      remanns  
    • The root of the problem is -
      the "Democrats", simply are NOT actually on the side of the 99% -they just want to suck some votes.

    • 5 months ago
  • Johnny_Los_Angeles
  • PetEr_Alan_ColE
  • MSII
  • Itsbatman_Durr
  • Varex_Sythe
  • ithink
    • -11
      ithink  
    • Matt Damon needs to stay in his play world he does,nt have the slightest clue as to what the president has had to put up with these last three years.He does not get to keep going over every scene until it pleases every body like matt gets to.

    • 5 months ago
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