Ralph Nader endorses Ron Paul

Ralph! I mean, sorry

Obama certainly is not, I agree.

or in denial.... amazing..

But didn't you know that Obama is the Messiah Antichrist???
O, sorry, that would be the tea party.

I'm voting for Obama who has done a damn good job in the past 3 years considering what he was dealt. Just the fact that we aren't in a Great Depression is a miracle with the way conservatives and now progressives are intent on Obama's and America's failure.
We are out of Iraq. Bin Laden is dead. No more don't ask don't tell. Stronger EPA.
This despite fickle democrats letting the tea party take over in 2010.
Give the man some credit damn it!

Ron Paul is our only hope.

Someone who can win! :)

Expanded the Patriot Act.Expanded the war in Afghanistan. Didn't leave Iraq as promised but stuck to Bush's mandate. Illegally waged war against Libya. Sent troops to Uganda.Bombed the shit out of Pakistan. Didn't close Guantanamo. Weaponized Saudi Arabia,UAE, and Isreal. Stole his Nobel Peace Prize. Expanded the reach of the TSA to U.S. highways.Signed into law the National Defense Authorization Act. Declared war on medical marijuana in California. Did nothing for his Green initiative,Solyndra oops! The economy is in the same place it was when he took office and the middle class is increasingly getting their ass kicked.

Bet you voted for George Bush too, oh wait you did his names Obama.

"Expanded the Patriot Act."

Along with 99% of Congress. He can't veto that.

"Expanded the war in Afghanistan."

As he promised in his campaign. Usama is dead. Al Qaeda is dying. The Taliban is on the run. This is good news for all peace loving people.

"Didn't close Guantanamo."

Okay you got me there.

Obama has accomplished a lot of good but that's not good enough for the left or the right.

We expect too much and don't bother to vote. That's why we have the tea party today.

If Ron Paul is not supported then Americans get exactly what they deserve - First in the world for incarceration, quickly falling to the bottom on human rights and liberties. American Dream is almost dead.

He can veto anything. Come on humor me, admit he's violent and a criminal...just a little bit please,because It's New Years! so have a good one.

I believe a President can't veto anything that gets a 2/3rds vote in Congress.
Obama's problem is he's too nice a guy.
O god it's 2012! We're doomed to a Paul presidency!!!
;)

I'm an American , a minority American, and I DO NOT DESERVE RON PAUL.If you want a misogynist , racist, homophobic turd in the White House just vote for the Republican and be done with it. You do realize that Ron Paul IS a Republican, don't you? Talk about self destructive leftists.

Of course the man has not done one good thing while he's been in office, not a damned thing. My how people only see what they want to see, and you my friend are blind. I will aso bet your glass is always half empty, never half full.

You can "believe" something all you want, it won't make it true. The President can veto absolutely ANY Bill that crosses his desk. Even if 100% of Congress voted for it.

Obama had done nothing for Liberals.. He is a puppet a Company man.. He is told what to do and does it... All the while saying something else... His actions have nothing to do with his total bullshit!!

Amen!

What about all the broken promises? Patriot act, FISA, government transparency, gitmo, lobbyist influence, and everything else. Also Obama didn't kill Osama, navy seals did that he just happened to be in the oval office at the time. Also we only left Iraq because they kicked us out. Additionally we went into Libya without congressional support and if any of the council on foreign relations people get elected president ( Obama, Romney, Gingrich, or Bachmann) then we are going to war with Iran without doubt. Obama is a corporatist pig and he has sold us all out.

Instead of identifying people by "Republicans", "Minority American" you should try to actually listen to what they are saying. Your responses are of a bigoted thinker and a racist.

You're right it's all a lie,propaganda in it's purest form...never happened.He hasn't bankrupted the country.Hasn't sucked up to Wall St.Hasn't enacted a doctrine of assassinating Americans.Americans don't hate each other.Their are no violent protests in the streets.And he has keep all his promises. Why hasn't any of this happened...because of cash for clunkers, it saved America! Thankfully we have intelligent and vigilant Americans like you,so we can all feel safe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veto

The President is constitutionally required to state his objections to the legislation in writing, and the Congress is constitutionally required to consider them, and to reconsider the legislation. This action, in effect, is a veto.
If the Congress overrides the veto by a two-thirds majority in each house, it becomes law without the President's signature.

He is required to put his objections in writing if he VETOES the Bill. Then it must be sent back to the House of Congress from which it originated for consideration of a Veto Override. Since the President did in fact SIGN the Bill, there is absolutely NO further Congressional action. The Bill stands AS SIGNED.

Since Obama did NOT VETO THE BILL and instead signed it...it is now Law and there is no further consideration.

Are you sure you know how to read?

There is NO SUCH THING as a "de facto" Veto. Either it is Vetoed, or it is not. And this Bill was NOT Vetoed.

1. Bush bankrupted the country. Took him 8 tears to do it.
2. There has always been violence in the streets, but you sound like a college age student who hasn't lived much, so, I'll negate that one .
3. Wall Street could have gone further but with a Rethuglican Congress what more do you expect?
4. The American right and left have always hated each other. Blaming Obama for that is utter stupidity.
5.If you would bother to do some fair research you would find that Obama has kept more of his campaign promises than any other president in the past 100 years, but why bother to do that. It gives you something to whine about instead of being thankful for the amazing amount of accomplishments of this administration. Which may be found by a simple Google search.
6 Assasinating traitors is fine with me when they are responsible for the deaths of other fellow citizens.
7.American have been safer under Obama than they were under Bush.
8. What the hell cash for clunkers has anything to do with anything is beyond me, but I notice that saving the entire auto industry and the millions of jobs that would have been lost along with it doesn't seem to have entered your simpleton consciousness.
9. Yes, thankfully we do have vigilant Americans like me, who will continually point out the truth rather than succomb to the lies, distortions and unsubstantiated accusations of extremists such as yourself.
10 Learn to control your emotions and take a course on political science so that you may learn to argue your case from a vantage point of strenght rather than scattershot ideas, which when put together make no sense at all and undermine the very argument you're attempting to make.

Obama didn't veto the bill because he knew there was well over two-thirds support for it in both houses of Congress. Also it contained important funding for the troops who just came home from Iraq.

So now you're saying he did NOT veto the Bill?

What you are conveniently forgetting is the HEINOUS addition to this Bill about detaining anyone they want with no access to a lawyer or a court, or even a U.S. Prison. The reason he signed it is of course it contained Defense spending for the troops and by Vetoing it he would almost insure he did not get reelected. Which shows me he cares about ONE thing...getting reelected. This Bill should have never gotten through EITHER House of Congress and it DAMN sure should never have gotten a Presidential signature. EVERYONE in Congress and the White House who supported this Bill should be tossed out on their ASS and count themselves lucky they are not thrown into the same holes they give themselves permission to throw anyone they wish into.

The Congress can only overide a veto with a 2/3 rds vote. If the president knows he doesn't have those votes which he never has had, what the hell is the point of going theough such wasted time and effort. How dumb would that be?

It would tell the PEOPLE of the United States that he refused to be a part of (possibly literaly) raping any Citizen the White House chooses. One does not get to participate in evil and then turn around and say "They would have done it anyway." Basically saying...I am giving them permission to rape you. since they would have done it anyway. Or, I'm giving them permission to rape you because they would not have paid their taxes if I didn't. I'm not sure how one can logically defend such an action.

"All it takes for Evil to flourish, is for good men to stand by and do nothing." Of course it helps a whole lot if "good" men open the door for the raping thieves.

Also, I hardly think there would have been a 2/3 majority in the Senate. In the History of the United States only 7% of total Vetoes have been overridden. It is a VERY difficult task to accomplish and requires a SUBSTANTIAL opposition in Congress.

Congratulations for your knowledge of legislative procedures and for attempting to extend that knowledge to the many, many people here who seem to intend to remain ignorant so that they can blame Obama for everything. The man is not perfect and has made mistakes like any other president. But some here piss me off to no end with their total lack of understanding of how our system of government works. Their refusal to even entertain the idea that they may be misinformed, and their unwillingness to even investigate the information you have given them, depesses me because so many don't wish to learn the facts before arguing an untenable position.
It really doesn't say much for the level of political discourse in this country, does it?

Please explain the "Down" vote I received for this reply.

Thanks! I was feeling kinda overwhelmed.
What gets me is that many of the people who bitch most about Obama failed to vote in November 2010 which led to a huge victory for the tea party. It is amazing Obama can get anything done with those extremists in Congress.

Symbolism is symbolism and although it works in great literature does not make for better govermnent. But I know it makes Obama Derangement Syndrome people have orgasms , so whatever floats your sinking boat. Most American are too concerned with the simple idea of putting food on their tables than worrying about symbolic actions that have no concrete effect on their everday lives. The union member who has lost his medical benfits, the 80 year old African American woman who can no longer vote because she has no ID, the poor 20 year old woman who can't get an abortion to save her life, the gay couple who has been refused housing in Mississiippi, the hispanic immigrant who has been denied medical treatment, the 30 year old in Wisconsin who has been denied access to birth control with the defunding of Planned Parenthood, the 14 year old student in the inner city where funding cuts are denying him a proper education--those are the people I worry about . Pardon me if I don't give a flying damn in regard to some asshole who turns his back on his country in an attempt to kill his own people. He can be sent to the bottom of the ocean along with Bin Laden and I won't shed one tear, not a one.

I already did.

It's a bloody miracle that what has been accomplished was completed at all under the circumstances we have been faced with since 2010. The first 2 years of the administration was an amazing achievement even with the intransigence of the bluedog Democrats and the obstuctionist Reprublicans. The one thing I do blame the Democrats for is their refusal to ablolish the filibuster and return to the simple majority rule that governed us for two centuries. This rule alone is what prevents us from closing Guantanamo and acheiving our other objectives.
But keep up the good fight and realize that you have many more supporters here than detractors.
For some unknown reason Current is becoming the mouthpiece of frustrated libertarians and extremists who want to control the agenda. Many of us will continue to resist their silly, untested theories even in the face of overwhelming opposition.. Have a very Happy New Year.

"Pardon me if I don't give a flying damn in regard to some asshole who turns his back on his country in an attempt to kill his own people."

Like the Canadian who was arrested in the U.S. SIMPLY because he was Muslim (NO OTHER REASON) and given an extraordinary rendition to Pakistan where he was TORTURED and then released after it was proven beyond ALL DOUBT that he was completely innocent? So now you want to give the Federal Government the power to do that to YOU.

It's amazing that you can talk about Civil Liberties and support the signing of this law. It's hypocritical in the extreme. You deserve what you vote for.

Judging by his posts here he has NO knowledge of legislative procedure. He said Obama VETOED part of a bill with his signing statement. Which is of course ABSURDLY ignorant. The debate over the merits of the signing of this Bill aside, the notion that Coolplanet has exhibited any knowledge of Legislative process is idiotic and only speaks to your own limited understanding and draws into question your own assertions.

Also, Obama has not done SHIT to put food on my table. In FACT he took food OFF the table for many UAW workers.

Again a lack of understanding in the U.S. Legislative process. You make the assertion that the filibuster is a recent phenomenon. However in reality it has been used for the ENTIRE history of the United States

You use extreme examples to justify extreme positions. These outrages occur in any administration but you act as though Obama personally ordered these actions and approves of the manner in which they were handled ,which is not the truth. These are rare occurrences brought on by over zealous operatives, not violations that happen every day over and over. But if it serves your purposes to rant and rave and overreact , carry on . It only serves to make you appear intemperate and unreasonable.

You obviously have a limited knowledge of how a representative democracy works, where as Coolplanet understands it thoroughly. What is frustrating is that you obviously have no wish to do the research necessary to either confirm or deny your own suppositions, which is hardly indicative of an open mind and why this country remains an embarrassment to the free world. A country is only as wise as it's own citizenery.

Agreed ^+++

yessss ^++

Get a clue.

Thank you Joe. Probably won't believe your list. So many have listed the many accomplishments of the president but all in vain. Some would rather find fault with him then admit the truth.

Please explain to me how Coolplanet's statement that Obama VETOED the Bill is accurate. OR, please explain to me how it is accurate to state that "A President can not veto a bill that has the support of 2/3rds of Congress."

Neither assertion is true at all.

The President can Veto ANY and EVERY Bill that crosses his desk. He can even Veto a Bill that was passed by 100% of both Houses. Are you saying that is untrue?

OR, are you saying that when Obama SIGNED the Bill that he actually vetoed it with his signing statement?

I am confused as to where you think Coolplanet was displaying a rational understanding of the U.S. Legislative process.

In fact, he posted a refutation to my response with a source link from Wikipedia. The source actually refuted his own argument.

So again, please explain how I am wrong in stating that Obama did NOT veto that Bill or any part of it, as well as that a President can veto ANY Bill that is on his desk.

If he had vetoed the bill they would complain he didn't care about the troops HE brought home from Iraq. He will never please everyone. Good comment.

I never even IMPLIED that Obama personally ordered these things. What I am saying is that Obama has now made it LEGAL to do those things.

Did you even GO to school?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster_in_the_United_States_Senate

First official filibuster occurred in 1837 but Senate rules allowed for continual debate since 1806.

Incidentally, that link was the VERY first link that came up when I did a search.

So he signed it to for Political Expediency? That is a good enough reason for you?

Funny, Obama saves the ass of the UAW and all you do is bitch.
Headline: UAW PRESIDENT BOB KING; GM AGREEMENT POSSIBLE THANKS TO OBAMA !
http://www.mlive.com/auto/index.ssf/2011/09/uaw_president_bob_king_gm_agre.html

Other headlines: Obama Loved by Auto Workers
UAW President Bob King supports Obama's American Jobs Act
Obama Heath Care Law Has Unexpected Beneficiaries--220 milliom to UAW
Workers
Many other Obama accomplishments may be found at your own website, which in case you didn't know is www.uaw.org/solidarity. An absolute wealth of information is waiting there for any worker interested in the truth rather than blogger rumors and misinformation.

As a Union laborer, I can tell you for a FACT, you will find very little truth on a Union website.

You seriously vote your own posts up?

It has not taken away your civil rights ..unless you're a domestic terrorist.

You certainly have that right. It's like talking to brick walls, but brick walls can be knocked down.
These people don't give an inch. It's as though they were born with a resistance to the truth. Oh well, we will be drinking champaign in November, they will be eating crow.

I never said Obama vetoed part of the bill.
Please don't put words in my mouth.

It's bad enough that republicans are doing everything they can to make sure Obama fails.
It is even worse that the liberal wing of the democratic party are doing a better job of demonizing Obama.

My God your ineptitude is beyond comprehension. There is a difference between cloture votes and actual filibusters. READ THE FREAKING LINK. Or don't and keep making a fool of yourself. As for me, my constitutional law professor significant other is sitting on the sofa in front of the fireplace and laughing so hard I think he just peed himself. Please excuse me while I go put newspapers under him. When I'm done would you like his cell phone number so that he may give you a remedial course and SCHOOL you? And , no, I did not GO to school. I attended University---an Ivy League University if you must know. Duh!

Anything he needs to do to keep Republicans, Libertarians and Teabaggers out of the White House, the Senate and the Congress. Anything!!!!

Well, as a member of the Writer's Guild I can personally testify to the fact that that is a lie. And I can also thank my lucky stars that you are no leader in my Union. We would have drummed you out a long time ago.

Only as much as I can vote you down.

Fortunately, they are in a distinct minority. They only seem more numerous because they never STFU. OOPS, my bad.

Well, since I am a graduate of Harvard Law I can say with some certainty that your "Constitutional Law Professor" is an idiot.

In 1917 the Senate adopted a new rule (Rule 22) which allowed for an end to filibusters with a vote known as "Cloture." The filibuster had been used since the beginning of this country, it wasn't until the early 20th century that CLOTURE was instituted as a rule.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Filibuster_Cloture.h...

The U.S. Senate's own website. Your 'Law Professor' is a moron.

Shall we discuss the Veto issue now?

Please explain this

"The President is constitutionally required to state his objections to the legislation in writing, and the Congress is constitutionally required to consider them, and to reconsider the legislation. This action, in effect, is a veto.
If the Congress overrides the veto by a two-thirds majority in each house, it becomes law without the President's signature."

Taken directly from your post.

What were you implying here?

Making up your own facts and deliberately misinterpreting what one reads is a sure sign of desperation. And , no I don't wish to discuss vetoes as it is quite apparent that you don't understand that process as well. I'll be sure to tell my law professor that he is a moron and I am certain he will pee the sofa laughing himself silly over your inability to grasp simple concepts. As for me , I hereby veto you and I don't need a Congress to confirm or override it. The gavel has hit the podium and you hve been officially nullified.

I never said I was a laborer for the UAW. Please show me where I stated such.

Joe, I hope you have enjoyed the wars, loss of human rights, loss of civil liberties, poverty, homelessness, and hopelessness. Keep on believing your president who is telling you everything is getting better, you are safe and will be taken care of. You do not even need to think. Go back to video games.

Oh, motherforlies, your total ignorance of Obama's beliefs and record is so pathetic that you should be embarrassed to display that lack of knowledge on such a public forumn as this, but if you insist there isn't anything I can or want to do about it. Have fun spreading your lies , distortions and misinformation about the record---the liberterrorists and rethuglicans are gonna love you for it. Enjoy your new right wing friends and the repression they will bring to our country.
If you're a good little collaborator, maybe they'll let you run one of the camps in which they plan on putting those who don't agree with them.

It's in one of your ramblings in this thread. You look it up.. I've got bigger fish to fry.

PS mother, Obama has given gay people like me more civil rights than any other president in history. If you wish to whine about the poor, poor terrorists and their infringed upon rights , that is your problem. As for me . I find it hard to work up any outrage over the rights of some deluded asshole who would kill me a the drop of a hat simply because of my nationality.

I'm with you all the way coolplanet. Good comment.

Good points. He didn't close Gitmo because congress voted to stop the funding.

Yes, Funding for the Iraq troops that spent almost 10 yrs. fighting for this country is good for me, even though GW put us in that war.

Good one Joe. i like champaign.

When we win , I will send you a bottle, or two..or three.

Thanks SF!
I worry that all this uninformed Obama bashing will help the rethuglicans win the Whitehouse.
Now THAT would be doomsday..... ;)

Great. More Independent thinking!

Yes, the psychotic ones.

Muddled thinking...if she only had a brain.