Obama signs NDAA into law, dismantles Bill of Rights

And the only question I have is; what mental problem do those in this thread who have posted such passionate yet severely uninformed comments in opposition to the DAA have? Perhaps they love those dirty, ass-backwards Islamist criminals and want to give them aid and comfort! Once again, I sit here stratching my, uh,,,,head, asking, WTF?

voted you back up my friend. the left are willing to not only commit suicide to prove how liberal, tolerant, and non-racist they are but theyre willing to drag the rest of the country along with them

"ONLY" a fool would not have a problem with the Indefinite Military Detention Of Americans "WITHOUT" access to a Habeas corpus hearing!

Glad to see you are on board Jan. Who are you planning on voting for? I am personally for Ron Paul but I just don't want to see Obama back in the Oval office!

"On board?" I wouldn't phrase it that way. I am an American citizen outraged with anyone who seeks to takes our liberties away and I have always believed that. And I am not voting for Obama nor ANY Republican including Ron Paul as I also treasure my right to a sustainable planet. As it stands now I will be voting Justice Party.

Jan for Justice! You go girl! :)

Me neither! That being said, I don't want to see Paul run as a 3rd party, doing so will bleed off some independent thinking people from voting for the GOP candidate, and certainly insure that Dumbo is given 4 more years to damage America even more. Supporting Ron Paul as a 3rd party candidate is supporting Dumbo, no matter what anyone says, that's reality. Yeah, I'd love it if Libertarians were in charge of everything, but that 'aint gonna happen any time soon. The Libertarian candidates merely take votes that would have gone to the GOP, and they don't have a chance of getting the votes to get elected themselves, so in the end, they only aid the communist candidate, who's base is frozen in the ever-increasing indigent/entitlement class.

Supporting Ron Paul if he steps out of the GOP fold is the same as supporting the hater of America and capitalism himself.

wow jan im shocked. but obamas bad leadership is no surprise to those of us on the right, we saw it coming in 2007. nice to see the rest of the country catching up to our dire warnings from 4 years ago, but liberal america wanting to prove how un-racist they are were too determined to elect a black man regardless of his shady background . now if you could just extend your newly formed skepticism toward al gore

anyone but obama my friend. but if you want to guarantee it, dont waste your vote on a write in. unless paul gets the republican nomination vote for whomever it may be

ahhh, so another vote wasted on conscience. that may very well get obama re-elected

she ought to just write in her loverboy al. voting ones conscience when it may very well guarantee the incumbants victory is a waste of time. may as well just stay home. besides we all know that any of us going to the polls is a waste as the popular vote never elects a president anyway. lets just go fishing pal

well if they vote for paul what theyre actually secretly saying is we really want to give obama one more chance but we cant do it openly for fear of looking really bad when he fucks the country even further.

Obama takes it up the backside "Every-Time" the Republicans yell bend over. I GUARANTEE Hillary would NOT have allowed them to bully her the way they bully him I think he has proven her right when she said he did not have what it takes to be President! I mean when he does something stupid his only excuse is the Republicans "MADE ME DO IT."

I have a GREAT deal of respect for you! I am glad you are one of the few people on here who understands if you believe both candidates are bad then voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. Assuming Dr. Paul does not get the nomination I to will go rouge and vote third party!

I agree, I had hope all last year that Obama would finally do the right thing this year and inform us at Christmas that he was stepping down on New Years day!

actually it was a really bad way to begin 2008.

we should be so lucky

Sad but so true.

Wait... did FOX cancel American Idol?!?

for sure

we should be so lucky

whats really sad is that many of us knew this back in 2007, but the left voting for all the wrong reasons wouldnt listen

Lol yeah I would rather have a liar than a guy who votes according to his running platform? Wtf are you smoking?

I'd rather have the clap than a bagger.

Good one. I agree. I will never vote Republican. Obama has mine.

Sure, a platform that includes being anti-women, anti- minority, anti- gay, anti- poor... sure, you take it. WTF are you smoking?

If this country were smoking something it would not be as fucked up as it is now. The question should be: What the fuck aren't you smoking!

just curious if your tone would be a little louder and a bit more agressive if a republican in power did the same thing. you die hard leftylibs are like the frog in a pot of cool water and obamas the one slowly increasing the heat. gays and women have it made in america so find a new issue that has real substance to whine about and i think you already put a man in office that fits the very description you abhore

as ive always said. the left are death worshippers. so your response is really no surprise

just because youre suicidal dont drag the rest of the country with you

ahhh yes. ive always believed a clouded mind makes the best informed decisions

wow a realist. yes my friend unfortunately there is no party we can truly turn to

absolutly right on !you are one of the few that think this way.americans are idiots vote for anyone but the two party system.some friends from canada were telling me they have five
partys and max campain contrubition is 50,000.wake up america

We NOW have a real choice. Rocky Anderson, the former 2-term, progressive Democratic Mayor of Salt Lake City, Utah (a very ReThugican state), has formed the Justice Party & is running for the presidency. He needs our help. The corporate media is attempting to censor him. What else is new? Please check him out & help him be seen, so that he can get on the ballot in all 50 states.

thank you

wow, so canada has five corrupt partys to choose from. now thats playing it smart!

nice try but a vote for rocky is a vote for obama

it cant be as bad as the us.and if you spead out the corruption it means less power in the hand of the parties.they have a 50,000$ cap on donations unlike our unlimited buy yourself s politictian rule

The green party taught us a nice lesson in 2000.

Please stop spreading misinformation. The green party is not the reason bush won in 2000. The statistical evidence simply does not support that theory. Bush won because of the security moms, women who historically vote democrat but voted for bush because they thought gore was too soft on terror.

Actually, thousands of Democrats voted for Bush in Florida, the idiots. They betrayed Al Gore as did his own party. The fix was also in. They wanted their PNAC war and they knew he wouldn't give it to them, so they made sure Florida wasn't going to be won by Al Gore even though subsequent counts show him wiining the state by hundreds of thousands of votes far exceeeding any effect Nader may have had on it. Ralph Nader while a fly in the ointment was ultimately not the spoiler he is claimed to be. The plan was much more sinister than that as we saw during the recount brown shirt brigade attacks and the ultimate USSC's unconstitutional decision. Democrats also didn't work hard enough for Al Gore and then desserted him during the time he wanted to seek jusitce, telling him to end it already. John Kerry was even quoted as telling people talking about it a couple years later to, "stop crying in their tea cups." That's the two party system for you. They turn on their own on the turn of a dime, which is one reason why I no longer have use for them.

My point was that voting third party or sitting out may have more severe consequences.
And there was a Nader affect, although I am not blaming the greens for Gores loss. Ultimately, al gore is to blame for that and he has taken full responsibility for the loss.

So we just sit here and watch the country fall off the cliff? We already live under fascism. If we give up, what is left? Check out the Justice Party and Rocky Anderson. We are not doing ourselves or our children any favors by enabling Obama to win again. WE'VE ALREADY LOST OUR BILL OF RIGHTS! WHAT COMES NEXT?

what lesson was that, dont waste your vote?

it was the progessives that helped fuck america by helping get obama elected in the first place. dont give yourselves too much credit. most of america dont like progressive politics anyway

no one betrayed al gore. its just that the more intelligent democrats see gore for what he is and voted smart. unfortunately the same intelligence was missing in 2008

Are you fucking serious?!? Obama insisted that this clause be in NDAA, then say he doesn't like it but will sign it any way with a signing statement that says "trust me I won't use it but I can't say anything about the next guy" and you are actually giving this scumbag your support!? I would vote for anyone but him as his promise is B.S. As demonstrated by the patriot act, gitmo, FISA, buch tax cuts, Iraq war, government transparency, influence of lobbyist, and on and on.

I agree. Thanks Ziggy.

its the left winger currently in office thats fucking the country. must be the blind leading the blind. wake up my friend

wow

Hi Cboy. I missed you. Nice to see you throwing the bull as usual.

thanks, someone on here has to bring an honest perspective to the table

Again it doesn't matter what political party to vote for. Let's not vote in either democrats or republicans. Let's vote in somebody from the Libertarian party, populist party, or even the Constitutional party. Anybody but the GOP and Liberals. They both fund Al Gores Globalist money making scheme, world government, the NAFTA trade agreement, corrupt copyright laws, and other big pharma, big corpopration, and even big agra with Monsanto.

"They both fund Al Gores Globalist money making scheme'

More bs. You're just another Alex Jones zombie aren't you?

Thanks, I'll look into that tomorrow.

your vote doesnt count anyway. its the electoral college. go fishing my friend

jan, youre a dying breed. wake up

I have thought about it. A republican in office won't repeal this bill, but safety nets will go bye bye. Obama has my vote.

wow jim, youre a realist

What a lieing bastard! My fear of the brain-dead republicans is now over turned by my hatred for this oreo, corporate controled, miltary ass kissing, ball-less, thinks-his-shit-dosen't-stink jerk!

glad to see youre on board, but he's always been a sack of shit:)

oreo? is that closet racism i detect?

LOL

wow, so having reservations but signing the legislation anyway somehow makes it less evil? youre too funny

i dont know, youll have to check with obamas buddies at ge and his friends on wall street

Are you saying the Republican Congress that sponsored and passed this bill are blameless?

nope. plenty of blame to go around. its just that the left generally only point in one direction. it is my mission from god to tirelessly point out the hypocrisy

As far as I can tell, the left on this site have been giving Obama as hard a time as they have the Republicans on the N.D.A.A. crap. You say Obama's friends on Wall Street as though the Republicans wont have anything to do with them. Yes congoboy, the left will criticize the Democrats when they do stupid things like Obama did by signing the N.D.A.A. bill. The right wouldn't criticize the Republicans if they were kicking babies down the street.

untrue jim, now i understand where your last name is derived from

Whats not true? That the left criticizes Obama, or that the right would never criticize the Republicans? Or are you trying to answer a different comment? JanforGore is criticizing the democrats on this very page. And how many times does Cenk Uyger have to criticize Obama for it to count as criticizing Obama? And whats with the slur on my name? Your conservatism is showing.

the left who publically criticize obama are in the minority. the left hold their miscreants in high honor and continue to reelect them over and over. when a republican finds disfavor within his party he either bows out or is voted out. just a pun on your name cause most who hold onto their strong unwavering allegiance to liberal thought have got to be stoned :). of course my conservatism is showing, im not in the closet and have nothing to hide my socialist friend

i read it.i just dont feel the people in power are to be trusted .if needed they will twist it to serve them.believe nothing question everything when it comes to goverment

So does that mean that no laws are justified?

wrong. the policy stands. if you are suspected of being a vaguely defined 'terorist' or supporter or anyone who is suspected of acting or thinking with the undefined 'belligerency' to the us or its allies, this law applies to you, us citizen or not. nice try at disinfo though.

Wrong.

A signing statement doesn't mean anything. The actual SIGNING and codifying this egregious bill, however, DOES mean a great deal. Let's PRETEND for one moment that Obama goes his entire 2nd term without detaining any U.S. Citizens under this law....what about the next Republican President? He will be legally able to do so because OBAMA signed this into law.

Think long term and logically please.

See my video above on what obama says about signing statements. He is a liar.

laws that are justified dont infringe on rights of the people and most laws are manupilated
for personal gain.look at wallstreet many people broke laws currently on the books no one has been charged laws are fine for common people but dont apply to our goverment elected representives or to the top 1%.you try some of these things and see for yourself
you will get 5 to 10 they get a bonus

Thanks for the link. It explains why the president signed it. Not as bad as I thought.