Obama pledges to exempt Americans from indefinite detention law

if you can't see that this is a travesty you should remove your head from Obama's ass and check out the light of day!

I've heard a couple legal analysts say U.S. citizens are exempt. Maybe Keith will clarify for us. I want to hear from someone who's read and understands it before I judge.

""You folks think this Guy deserves another 4 Years???"

^^^
Seems like it doesn't matter who you pick, you're screwed.

ill re-iterate my opposition to the u.s two party system, the people should be able to throw both parties out and put in new ones.

A two party system is flawed, primarily because it allows for certain interests to monopolize power behind a veil of democracy, it also limits a nation to just two political views which is simply not adequate nor in anyway accurate in representing the changing feelings of the people it also creates a situation that people vote what they "traditionally" vote rather than vote based on choices. I think once you are made to feel like you only have one choice, the people have lost their democratic rights and when you can predict how districts are gonna vote based on their history most of the time than you're in a position to manipulate the system.

Certainly poor republicans don't care if a rich man pays a little more taxes but they are made to feel like they have to tow the party line because of the other things they are for and what they made to perceive democrats are against.

Liberals in general aren't against freedom of religion as long as it does not interfere with their lives, but are made to perceive that republicans wanna make everyone adhere to a certain brand of fundamentalism rather than simply keep the traditional beliefs they are already accustomed too.

But one thing ive really noticed is that both sides agree on alot of issues but when the issue is brought up by a representative of the other side they disagree with that person, its literally becoming a situation that people are so ideologically divided that you will argue with each other about stuff you agree on just because your rooting for you team, its like progressives and conservatives are more like football teams that political opponents this is because the media and the government and the establishment have had you hoodwinked. I could never understand why there was so much left out of american news before the age of the internet, so much pertinent information the people weren't privy too now i think i understand.

Machiavelli spoke of divide and rule, in this context the establishment is capitalizing and amplifying existing divisions to blind each side and have fighting against each other so much that you hardly have time to acknowledge the control being slowly seized from your grasp.

If your an hardcore conservative with a open mind you have accept that rachel maddow and keith olbermann might make a very good point that you should listen too from time to time and if your a hardcore liberal you have to concede that once in a blue moon ann coulter or glenn beck may actually say something worth acknowledging.

If your country is to be whole again you must find common ground with each other to really effect change from a grassroots level, you need to understand that the chasm between each side is not nearly as vast and wide as you think. As long as your so horribly divided the establishment will continue to gain power. The top 20 percent owns 85 percent of the wealth in america, but take into context that america represents 20 percent of the worlds wealth, you'll see the only way to remove that kind of power is by force, the force of the people the manifestation of that force depends on how much it needs to be applied for those in power to yield.

I said before that the occupy movement was a indication of things to come, but for it too be thoroughly successful, you must not be fighting against each other to make it happen. The occupy movement cannot be without leadership, the revolution cannot be without violence. Taking care of the people is cannot be regarded as socialism and people must be given the means by which to earn their way into society and stopped from stealing from the system, education cannot be a commodity and wars need not be fought unnecessarily.

Come together as patriots, or lose your country while you waste time bickering amongst each other the choice is yours.

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

That is what we who served swore. To protect what? The Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. ALL enemies foreign and "domestic". Question: Do you know who your enemies are? They are those who would attack dismantle and pervert the Constitution of the United States!

Jesus out!

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty " Thomas Jefferson

Today liberty died in America. Welcome to tyranny.

This is the day AMERICA DIED!!!

It seems like a threat to keep him in office or else. Or maybe they know they are gonna need it soon.

We are losing the battle before it has begun. Their pepper spray and rubber bullets got too much attention so now they can simply take us away , lock us up in the pre-planned detention camps. I fear by the end of this coming Summer we will be under martial law and curfew. They know we are fed up and are making the necessary laws to crush any and all protest. The one comforting thought....we 'll be with like minded folks at the camps!

So..... let me see if I got this right... All you "Liberal Progressives" with your boundless authority on all things related to politics and government... you colossal mega geniuses with all your perfect and infallible intellect, you are all saying that the President is a Fascist, communist, socialist, dictator tyrant. He's stupid and ignorant, he knows nothing about the constitution and he hates America... everything he ever does is wrong and He's only content when he's robbing the country blind... ohhh yeah.... he's also a closet Republican...
also Our whole government sucks everyone in it is evil and Americans are a bunch of warmongering thieves... am I getting it so far? oh yeah... we should vote for a Republican because they will run the country better than this totally inept moron we have now... am I still following you right? you're saying that only Ron Paul or anyone other than the black guy can save us from certain doom...

wow!!! that's pretty glib... we certainly must live in the worst country in the world... this is all very horrifying... but fear not... I think I can help all of you... what you need to do is kill yourselves... wait... I know that sounds rash, but indulge me... you hate our country and our president and you're certain that the there is nothing but doom in our future... so if you think about it, it only makes sense... maybe you can coordinate it on this site... you can all set a day and time and shoot yourselves in the face together... I'd hate for you to have to continue to suffer so....

Progressives.... whatever... bunch of disillusioned, malcontent defeatists... none of you belong on Current... you're not exchanging insightful intellectual discourse.... you're inciting an Anti-government neo-con militia style mentality... you all sound like you'd be more suited watching Fixed Noise and worshiping Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Haninty and Beck. I'm so utterly disappointed in some of you.... I've followed you from the first time I came here and now you've fallen to this... you've really let me down...

It's never bummed me out so much to read a strand and then have to leave a post like this... I'm ashamed for those of you who won't have the sense to be ashamed for yourselves...

Someone please explain to me why this is a bad thing?

If I'm a terrorist than fuck yes it is, but if not than why should I be worried?

Or am I missing something terribly troubling here?

'PepperCorn???'

And we believe him? This guy is a liar of dimensions that well exceed Bill Clinton. Un-Constitutional signing statements, signing statements that he said he would not use. This is such an important part of the issue that he should have vetoed the bill as he said!
Many here question why I would not support Obummer in November, this is one of many reasons and frankly, I need no other.

I am glad to see so many responses to this topic on a holiday.
Good work Currenteers.

Typical Obama,say I won't ,then he does.He know better,he was a Constitutional law professor.

Another reason to Occupy Washington.

His "pledge" doesn't mean shit, what about the next Nazi to come along, look Obama was kind enough to lay the groundwork down for you!!!!

the 'pledge' means nothing. the law does. its easy to say 'hey i wont apply this to americans' when the fact is the bill he signed into law applies this to americans. fuck obama and his lies and any idiots who believe them. he and every other member of the one party system is insignificant anyway, as we will destroy the system and create a new one. occupy everything!

this administration, this congress, our legal system all the way to the SCOUS, is now illegitmate under the constitution. I for one will now conduct myself as though I am living under an occupation by tyranical dictatorship and will act accordingly to remove from office all those responcible for this travisty and remove forever from or lands this and all other laws that seek to remove the unalianable rights given us by our creator and enumerated in the Declaration of Independance and crystalized in our Constitution and Bill of Rights. this will not stand or this nation shall fall.

This great nation shall stand forever All the combined might of all the amies of the world could not breach her walls. NO, If this nation is to fall it will be at its own hands.
Abraham Lincoln

"The president’s opponents in Congress, including some Democrats, attached the indefinite detention provision to force the administration to either accept a much heavier load of terrorism suspects, many who would be heading to the Guantanamo Bay military prison, or veto the bill and stand accused of opposing funds for the troops."

A Catch-22 conveniently overlooked by Obama-haters everywhere.

President Feelgood says I should smile.

"Don't worry. Everyone in there will be fine." said the fox guarding the hen house.

It's all very liberating, don't you think? I mean, Obama doesn't have to go around anymore acting like he represents human rights and we don't have to keep saying, "Well, yeah, but...... he's better than the OTHER guys." That's all over now. It's a new day. Progressives need not be a problem for him and he need not be a problem for us.
What's liberating here is that we can accept that we are not represented in this government and, therefore, are not obliged to participate in the conventional way. "Our" president is no more respectful of us than "their" guys so we might as well go free-lance.
Do I recall some folks complaining about Cenk being too harsh on Obama?

"First they came for the communists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for me ..."

Only a tyrant would demand indefinite detention for someone without a trial, period. Our justice system is (or was) based on fair trials for all. Even if Americans are exempt for indefinite detention doesn't mean we should support indefinite detention of 'non Americans'. Anyone who would should really take a good look at themselves in a mirror. If the law is passed without American detention in the bill then that law won't be far behind. Trust me.

DON'T LET FEAR DRIVE US TO GIVE UP EVERYTHING OUR COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED UPON!

glad to be living abroad..... america is fucked thanks to the fear which has engulfed our nation. fear of terrorist... americans need to wake the fuck up and realize that america is one of the largest terrorist nations. we pillage any nation we want. for what? for resources. our country is guilty of war crimes throughout the world. its is bullshit that we destroy nations to take so-called dictators out of power, when our own presidents are guilty of the same shit. instead we praise our presidents and surrender our rights. it wont be long until the fema camps are put into use. people need to stand up and take the power back. the only fear they should have is fear of their government.

hogwash...the die has been cast, you don't get to interpret what pops up it just is.

Know them by their actions, not their words.

You really didn't need me to answer that question....

I'm kinda left scratching my head; "Obama: Indefinitely Detaining Americans Is Wrong... But Executing Americans Without Trial is A-OK"?

Well it's crystal clear we're not making it to a utopia anytime soon, but I tend to think another candidate will get us there sooner...

I am sorry I voted for him the last time but not again. I do not trust Obama.