Who Does War Help?

AMEN! The libs complain all the time like losers usually do but they have that right to do so because of the lives that paid for that right paid in blood!

It was unfortunate we had to use nukes in WW2 but a necessary evil. in the long run, It saved many more innocent lives than it took. Now we just need to finish off communism now that it is in it's death throws.

Of course they have the “right” to be mistaken. They can whine and cavil and pine for control by the munificent government they adulate and venerate. The LIBERALS can keep asking for a socialist state that they actually believe will provide them with all the widdle guarantees like “free” health care, GOVERNMENT made-up fake jobs, no tuition for college, and emotional support.

Yes, the WIBBERALS have that “right,” of course.

Yes, the LEFT-WINGERS in America are trying to revivify Communism in other forms, of course. Their dream continues. They eschew the label “communist,” but the programs of the LIBERALS basically lead us in the same direction: Control and conformity to the diktats of their beloved federal government, extending it into all aspects of our lives – the economy, education, the environment, and even what color we paint our cars and degree that we heat our homes!

Im gonna have to go ahead and disagree with that. It is the Japanese governemt that brought that hell down on them when they bombed Pearl Harbor. Any attack on the U.S. governemt calls for a 100+ fold retaliation. ALWAYS! By world war 2 standards, Afghanistan should no longer exist after the events of 9/11.

Who is "you guys"? And we pretty much already have destroyed communism. Not much of it left. Suppose we need a little to keep reminding us of how right we are.

No, they were necessary to reduce both American and Japanese deaths. If we had it to do over again, we should do the same thing.

I sometimes think that America should have delayed its entrance into the war so that Hitler could have put more energy and forces into Russia and devastated it. Then, we could have more easily taken care of the Nazis. And maybe your lovely USSR would have collapsed and joined humanity earlier.

Right now, our military force is equivalent to the next FORTY (40) countries COMBINED. So, there is nobody "remotely close." That is why there is more peace in the world, of course.

There are still many - to whatever degree - who believe in the "dream." They rarely openly refer to themselves as "communists," and they probably do not even believe that they are afflliated with this poison, but they are.

These are the people who advocate for more and more control by a central authority. In America, it is the federal government. ObamaCare will lead to a form of communism: Socialized medicine. If anyone claims it is something other than that, they are either dunces or lying mendicants.

Same thing, of course

Which "he"??

I think Current members should be able to make up their *own* minds about who to vote up or down.

Thanks for the clarification.

No, I am not “trolling.” I am challenging people like you to defend your views. I want to disabuse you of some misunderstandings you and many of your counterparts have.

When one poster accuses another of “trolling,” he is obviously prevaricating, parrying off the challenges put to him by branding another poster in a repugnant and vindictive manner that reveals his pusillanimity.

Great point. You should NOT be accused of being a "troll" just for having a different point of view.

I may not agree with everything you say, but that doesn't allow anyone to call you a troll.

Another excellent point, zampano.

The last thing Current needs is "troll-a-phobia" like *certain* other sites already have.

Thank you. It seems that pure "trolls" only throw out something provocative and insulting and never backing it up and not having any real intention to do so.

Most people who accuse others of being a "troll" are those who are too mentally lazy to respond or simply hate any disagreement with their ossified attitudes.

Thank you. I would think that those who simply want their views confirmed are not only mentally lazy, but they lack confidence. The lack of confidence in what they believe lends itself to a choleric manner when challenged.

I agree. Thanks.

To turn our backs on Israel is the same as turning our backs on God.

Thanks QuietPlease, I hope the New Year brings all that you desire in 2012... =)

I saw Black Sabbath and got excited. Then I saw it was you that posted it. Thanks for ruining such an awesome band V but even someone like you can have some taste I suppose.

Yes, it is. It can be changed with will and commitment.

Exactly right. In the current U.S., the armed criminals rule.

Thanks for telling it like it is.

It seems like it should have been so obvious that (US foreign aid) = (corporate welfare for the MIC).

Somebody who has connected all the dots should do a stunning graphic, like a world map showing where the US foreign aid goes (and how much) and how much of the money is spent in return by those govt's on weapons etc.

This map goes about halfway, showing where US aid is going, and how it is reportedly spent, but doesn't show what companies are getting the return on the investment so to speak...

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2011/02/foreignaid.html

point. +^d

Too true.

And only that.

Yep . Wish the 1% understood that .

I keep thinking of "Macbeth" as the example of where ambition leads.

Yep. Just about every dictator goes that route.

Constant torment for bargain prices?

Uhhh... yeah. Was that KD Lang or Michael Stipe? :)

Ha!

Dig it.

Say it again!

Coool...don't forget the Frankie Goes To Hollywood version.

One of my favs.

Excellent response, and you're absolutely right. Each and every one of us owes our comfort to the warlords. It is a pathological society.

they changed university investment direction for a very brief period...it didn't last, and the thing is, so much university research is now not only funded by the department of defense ( and UC Davis is heavily invested in GMOs), the best and brightest are quickly recruited from campus with the most lucrative sponsorships imaginable to build more of the mercantile of war.

I get what you are saying though. I live in a university town, and we have not been hit the way places like Camden, New Jersey have, and that is largely because the research dollars are continuing to flow in, and everyone in this town benefits from those dollars. I have several family members in the construction industry. They are still employed, and business is going strong because people who benefit from defense contracts have money to spend on housing. Yes, you are correct, that is the way it is. But just because that is the way it is, does not mean that is the way it has to be.

exactly why i suggest something can be done
but
it takes being aware and organized to make a change in such a system
otherwise
nothing changes in our being a military industrial complex society where war is our bread and butter...

This is powerful stuff, if we can develop tools to help people make truly responsible decisions regarding this.

Right now it takes hoards of time to research all this. I can guarantee I've got questionable investments in my 401k...so where do I go to find an authentic trustworthy guide to all this?

But hey, we've got some people who have the time and inclination to research this, others willing to vet their legitimacy, plus smart phones, the internet, etc.

So is anyone aware of a website pointing us all in the right direction?

Somebody out there working on this stuff yet?

Right now they are just ideas floating through my head but I'm a full time working dad of three, so no time of my own to be a part of making it happen...

Exactly. The global kings spit on us from high above.

So we have two sets of knowledge - the knowledge concerning the structure of the current "kingdom", which Anonmaly refers to, and we have the knowledge concerning how to dismantle a kingdom and replace it with a better system.

http://www.aeinstein.org/organizations/org/FDTD.pdf

Now we need the dedication, drive and determination to put two and two together and do just that.

If you recently watched this you know what I'm referring to:

http://current.com/entertainment/movies/93026412_how-to-start-a-revolution-trail...

This is where the rubber meets the road.

Your use of this posting to promote a particular candidate is ironic, to say the least.

There is something you need to know, just like Methodist are Baptist that can read, Libertarians are Republicans that smoke dope, oh and by the way, since you seem to love Ron Paul so much, your avatar is completely appropriate, tells us what you have for brains.

The War Prayer

by Mark Twain

It was a time of great and exalting excitement. The country was up in arms, the war was on, in every breast burned the holy fire of patriotism; the drums were beating, the bands playing, the toy pistols popping, the bunched firecrackers hissing and spluttering; on every hand and far down the receding and fading spread of roofs and balconies a fluttering wilderness of flags flashed in the sun; daily the young volunteers marched down the wide avenue gay and fine in their new uniforms, the proud fathers and mothers and sisters and sweethearts cheering them with voices choked with happy emotion as they swung by; nightly the packed mass meetings listened, panting, to patriot oratory which stirred the deepest deeps of their hearts, and which they interrupted at briefest intervals with cyclones of applause, the tears running down their cheeks the while; in the churches the pastors preached devotion to flag and country, and invoked the God of Battles beseeching His aid in our good cause in outpourings of fervid eloquence which moved every listener. It was indeed a glad and gracious time, and the half dozen rash spirits that ventured to disapprove of the war and cast a doubt upon its righteousness straightway got such a stern and angry warning that for their personal safety's sake they quickly shrank out of sight and offended no more in that way.

Sunday morning came -- next day the battalions would leave for the front; the church was filled; the volunteers were there, their young faces alight with martial dreams -- visions of the stern advance, the gathering momentum, the rushing charge, the flashing sabers, the flight of the foe, the tumult, the enveloping smoke, the fierce pursuit, the surrender! Then home from the war, bronzed heroes, welcomed, adored, submerged in golden seas of glory! With the volunteers sat their dear ones, proud, happy, and envied by the neighbors and friends who had no sons and brothers to send forth to the field of honor, there to win for the flag, or, failing, die the noblest of noble deaths. The service proceeded; a war chapter from the Old Testament was read; the first prayer was said; it was followed by an organ burst that shook the building, and with one impulse the house rose, with glowing eyes and beating hearts, and poured out that tremendous invocation

*God the all-terrible! Thou who ordainest! Thunder thy clarion and lightning thy sword!*
Then came the "long" prayer. None could remember the like of it for passionate pleading and moving and beautiful language. The burden of its supplication was, that an ever-merciful and benignant Father of us all would watch over our noble young soldiers, and aid, comfort, and encourage them in their patriotic work; bless them, shield them in the day of battle and the hour of peril, bear them in His mighty hand, make them strong and confident, invincible in the bloody onset; help them to crush the foe, grant to them and to their flag and country imperishable honor and glory --

An aged stranger entered and moved with slow and noiseless step up the main aisle, his eyes fixed upon the minister, his long body clothed in a robe that reached to his feet, his head bare, his white hair descending in a frothy cataract to his shoulders, his seamy face unnaturally pale, pale even to ghastliness. With all eyes following him and wondering, he made his silent way; without pausing, he ascended to the preacher's side and stood there waiting. With shut lids the preacher, unconscious of his presence, continued with his moving prayer, and at last finished it with the words, uttered in fervent appeal, "Bless our arms, grant us the victory, O Lord our God, Father and Protector of our land and flag!"

The stranger touched his arm, motioned him to step aside -- which the startled minister did -- and took his place. During some moments he surveyed the spellbound audience with solemn eyes, in which burned an uncanny light; then in a deep voice he said:

"I come from the Throne -- bearing a message from Almighty God!" The words smote the house with a shock; if the stranger perceived it he gave no attention. "He has heard the prayer of His servant your shepherd, and will grant it if such shall be your desire after I, His messenger, shall have explained to you its import -- that is to say, its full import. For it is like unto many of the prayers of men, in that it asks for more than he who utters it is aware of -- except he pause and think.

"God's servant and yours has prayed his prayer. Has he paused and taken thought? Is it one prayer? No, it is two -- one uttered, the other not. Both have reached the ear of Him Who heareth all supplications, the spoken and the unspoken. Ponder this -- keep it in mind. If you would beseech a blessing upon yourself, beware! lest without intent you invoke a curse upon a neighbor at the same time. If you pray for the blessing of rain upon your crop which needs it, by that act you are possibly praying for a curse upon some neighbor's crop which may not need rain and can be injured by it.

"You have heard your servant's prayer -- the uttered part of it. I am commissioned of God to put into words the other part of it -- that part which the pastor -- and also you in your hearts -- fervently prayed silently. And ignorantly and unthinkingly? God grant that it was so! You heard these words: 'Grant us the victory, O Lord our God!' That is sufficient. the *whole* of the uttered prayer is compact into those pregnant words. Elaborations were not necessary. When you have prayed for victory you have prayed for many unmentioned results which follow victory--*must* follow it, cannot help but follow it. Upon the listening spirit of God fell also the unspoken part of the prayer. He commandeth me to put it into words. Listen!

"O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle -- be Thou near them! With them -- in spirit -- we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it -- for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.

(*After a pause.*) "Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits!"

It was believed afterward that the man was a lunatic, because there was no sense in what he said.

Good points. Thanks.

I always believed, that a good semantic cluster fuck, ranks right up there with auto necrophilia, as a means of self-expression, this is sidesplitting funny!

Well,...thank you. ( But perhaps "congratulations" for YOUR sense of humor is more appropriate ! ) "ME" and "MY" already feeling self satisfied !

p.s. it really is more than semantics - it is indicitive of where you put the focus/starting point of responsibility,.......and THAT can end up having a LOT of ramifications.

very well said and the core of most issues

Still laughing!!!!

I appreciate that. good tangent. +^d

Butler was dead right. Thanks for posting this.

Your very welcome.

Smedley was a Quaker general...not many of those in history.