Community | January 05, 2012 | 32 comments

Thom Hartmann & a Libertarian Caller have it out!

source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW0WfBuJF9c

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  • Naumadd
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      Naumadd  

    • The mistake is assuming that what most call "capitalism" is indeed capitalism. The fact is, if you as a producer or a consumer behave in predatory ways toward others, you are not engaged in capitalism. Libertarianism and capitalism are entirely compatible with that principle defining a true civilization - human organization which, above all else, bans human predation on human. It respects the liberty of the individual PROVIDED that individual respects the liberty of others. Only in such an environment can individuals trade reasonable value for reasonable value - capitalism. They do not seek what is not earned unless it is freely offered nor do they offer what is not earned unless they choose to offer it freely.

      Predators seek what is not earned and do not offer what is earned. They do not care for the liberty of others nor their choices. They take what they want, when and where they want it. These are not civilized human beings, they do not respect the liberty of the individual and, as long as they maintain that mindset, capitalism is impossible to them and to their victims.

      If you wish to argue against capitalism, at least know with reasonable certainty whether what you argue against is indeed capitalism or something else entirely. Once you understand what it truly is, I do not see how you can argue against it, except that you are yourself a predator.

    • 4 months ago
  • Naumadd
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    • Naumadd:

      ... and the mistake perhaps the speaker in the video makes is suggesting government always works to our benefit. Yes, many times it does, but I think you and I both know that many times it does not. What he gets correct is this - it is the individual in cooperation with his neighbors who give government - and monopolies - their power and it is the individual and his neighbors who can severely limit that power or take it away. Ostensibly we do that through representative government.

      We agree that government is inconsistently representative.

    • 4 months ago
  • Kilnsapper
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      Kilnsapper  

    • It's not economics 101 it's I have control of the mic 101. The Post Office is doing great,right. The court system.... boy that's efficient. Fuck the freedom of choice,lets all let some dipshit that lives 1500 fuckin miles from you decide what's best.

    • 5 months ago
  • PigFarmington
  • kennymotown
  • Ambill94
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      Ambill94  

    • If we think Microsoft is becoming too abusive...we just open up a company in competition...huh?...Libertarian??? And I think ole Bob said he would fund it...Do all Libertarians have tiny brains??? Total lack of reason...amazingly dense...righteously rigid...auditorily challenged...etc

      BTW Thanks Kenny...:=)

    • 5 months ago
  • kennymotown
  • Naumadd
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      Naumadd  
    • Ambill94:

      Admittedly, the caller isn't the best defender of the libertarian view by any stretch of one's imagination. In a truly free marketplace of which libertarians greatly support, the response to unfair business is to take one's business elsewhere OR to simply refuse to purchase from a business who does not offer fair value in exchange for fair value.

      The libertarian point is this - if they are in fact YOUR dollars, YOU decide who gets them, for what and how much. If you are unable or unwilling to do business in that way, perhaps you ought not participate in the marketplace.

      You are too immature.

    • 4 months ago
  • Ambill94
  • coolplanet
  • kennymotown
  • hammywill
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  • hammywill
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  • Naumadd
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      Naumadd  
    • hammywill:

      But that's not really fair, is it? Are the many who have ever written letters to editors or newspapers, magazines, etc., also idiots? Is it impossible in your view for anyone who writes or speaks in a public forum to have something enlightened and of value to say?

      Does that not also include your own comments here in this open forum where a question or opinion is given and then opened to commentary?

      What about public meetings? Writing to one's congressman? Writing to one's president?

      No, I think it's not really fair at all.

    • 4 months ago
  • hammywill
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    • Naumadd:

      A call in show is controlled and manipulated entirely by the host is what I was implying. You can not call in to a show and win the debate, it's as simple as cutting off the call. I have been listening to talk radio for about 25 years now, and that has always been my experience. And for the record, I have called in plenty when I was younger..so I include myself in the list of fools..;-)

    • 4 months ago
  • Naumadd
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      Naumadd  
    • hammywill:

      I see. I admit some unfamiliarity with how many talk shows work. It makes sense the format wouldn't be quite as "open" as others allow, but I would hope not all of them operate so aggressively against the potential caller. If they do, they must be "talk show" in name only.

      Still, "idiot" doesn't seem quite fair when it's likely a caller simply isn't aware they cannot expect fair and respectful treatment. It would have been my assumption too until I clearly learned otherwise. Probably better to say if you are abused the first time, you're an idiot if you go back for more.

    • 4 months ago
  • Leen61
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      Leen61  

    • This is your prime example of an intelligent man (Thom) logically pointing out the flaws of the caller's position but still doesn't understand WHAT he is being told. This is what we are up against. An Idiocracy, brainwashed by the right-wing cable whores who have this idiot thinking that he understands how the system should work. Well, anybody who listens to Neil Cavuto, Jim Cramer, or the Wall Street spokesmodels, winds up like this caller. Scary.

    • 5 months ago
  • kennymotown
  • Leen61
  • kennymotown
  • Leen61
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  • Leen61
  • kennymotown
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      kennymotown  
    • Leen61:

      And now they play their worst card (Joe Rogan) who makes his money humiliating people. Pretty much explains why Libertarians are who they are, they love see people down and humiliated!

    • 5 months ago
  • Leen61
  • kennymotown
  • zoomy1
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    • Leen61:

      It's very scary!
      Most of the "Conservatives" that I know fall into this group. They swallow the BS from the right wing talk shows, Faux News,etc.,and tune out anything else. I recently had a friend of mine tell me with full authority, that the end of DADT meant that bestialty was now allowed in the military.
      I'd like to say, I was taken aback by that, but in truth, I wasn't.
      This is why Republicans get elected. They know how to appeal to the fears and prejudices of fear filled, bigoted people. These people eagerly embrace what makes them feel justified, and then stop, so that they aren't confused with real facts. These are the base of the Right wing.
      Yeah, very scary!

    • 5 months ago
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