WTF? - New Bill Known As Enemy Expatriation Act Would Allow Government To Strip Citizenship Without Conviction

Of all the bullshit that comes out of DC, this has got to be the most nefarious. This is being sponsored by the Israeli Political Machines darlings to ensure that the US will be an ally forever.

OMG the fools are in full panic mode now...it is a flat out race to see if they can destroy "we the people" before the people take them down...we have elected a sick bunch of representatives in this country...they hide behind red meat social issues while they try to strip us of the last vestiges of freedom...

The potential implications of the passage of such abominable legislation are horrendous. To understand the implications you have to look at it from the government's perspective.Their problem: How can they legally torture anyone that resides in the U.S.?

The NDAA for 2012 as it's written can already be used against U.S. citizens to indefinitely detain them.

But what about torturing U.S. citizens that are indefinitely detained? The U.S. Government can't LEGALLY do that yet.

The U.S. Government, specifically C.I.A. since the 1990's has routinely tortured foreign nationals it has detained by taking these foreign citizens off U.S. soil to third world countries where they can be safely tortured without public scrutiny or legal repercussions. This program is commonly known as "extraordinary rendition." (we had a great working relationship with Gaddafi using Libya as a place to carry out extraordinary rendition, before Gaddafi's attempt to completely flip the applecart by pushing for a pan-african Gold backed Dinar that would collapse the Anglo-American financial system.)

Since legally the government can't torture U.S citizens yet and never will legally be able to because the 8th amendment protects against "cruel and unusual punishment". That puts them in this predicament:

1. Amend the Constitution to expressly allow for cruel and unusual punishment such as torture. - probably next impossible to do.

2. Ignore the 8th amendment. Easier than option 1, but while the general public is largely ignorant of the 4th, 5th, and 6th, amendments, allowing the government to violate them with impunity, the 8th amendment phrase "cruel and unusual punishment" and prohibitions against it, is well enough known in the English language and by the general public to cause to backlash/inconvenience to the government if it decides to ignore the 8th amendment.

3. Pass legislation giving the government the power to easily strip the citizenship of U.S. citizens it has indefinitely detained and then ship them off to be tortured in a third world country that co-operates with our extraordinary rendition programs.

Option 3 is the path of least resistance and that is why they pursing it in this manner.

As rerushg mentions below, this probably will not make it as a free standing bill. It will likely be tacked on as an amendment to another 1000 + page bill, that will be titled something like "The Act to End Poverty in America," and the Senators and Congressman wouldn't read the bill, just vote for it (because what type of cold- hearted monster doesn't want to end poverty?) and pass it and the President won't read it when he signs it into law.

Nobody cared when I submitted the bill itself a few days back...

as much as we want to talk about further descriptives in the legislation about who and how we as citizens can and should be detained I still think we are missing a big part of the picture. $680 Billion without a budget discussion and further sanctions on Iran's central bank among other topics not even mentioned.

The day we awake to find these criminals gone...will be a grand day indeed!
Who is supporting this fascist pig? Have the diebold machines taken over already?

This is class warfare. The clear intention is to further establish the oligarchy as the "United States" and all those who might oppose them as "terrorists against the state". It is fascist in every sense of the word.
One would think the Jewish community, generally of Moderate to Progressive mind, would recognize fascism when they see it and deal with Lieberman.
Hint: 1-800-MOSSAD

When you don't have a JOB a Credit Rating or money to do anything with YOU'RE ALREADY BEING DETAINED so this means NOTHING TO ME.

When you have doctors who don't help you you're being detained. A million Virginian disabled folks are currently detained BY THEIR OWN PILL-CHEWING Va PHYSICIANS.

I've been detained since 1989, since 1970, since 1951, all the way back detained-in-America, by American "physicians". Send me a copy pleez => I'm LOW ON TOILET PAPER.

Do you think this Democratic Prez will veto it? care to place a bet?

well thats as fucked as ever. though I would point out that its all ways hillarious when I watch you defend yourself from the republicans while turning your back to democrats wielding a hatchet. Funny shit.

Could this law not be used to immediately arrest and strip the citizenship of all Republicans and most of the Democrats the instant it's enacted. Don't their decisions "engage in, or purposefully or materially support hostilities against the United States". If you slap someone in the face, aren't you engaging in supporting their hostilities.

facepalm

This has to be patently UnConstitutional. And will be challenged before
the U.S.Supreme Court, and rendered null & void nce the ACLU sues
the U.S.Government if those 2 pathetic Nazis gain any support to take
their horror story out of committee. The idea that they can get away
with making their bogus statutes vague and open to interpretation by
the executive is a violation of the Seperation of Powers, endangering
the SCOTUS' jurisdiction altogether. So you can bet they will exercise
their Judicial authority to vacate this evil judgement. Several sections
of the Patriot Act were struck down as UnConstitutional by the U.S.Court
per se. They didn't even need to take it to the SCOTUS to throw it out.
The same will likely happen here. It's an UnAmerican activity to even
attempt to strip a citizen of his citizenship without a violent Felony crime
being committed, and after a conviction with the accused' due process
rights being observed, and being allowed to defend himself in Court.
This shit, passing as an idea to vote into law, is an affront to all Americans
and an insult & injury to the national honor. These 2 evil clowns should
be impeached. I myself have witnessed Lieberman's implication in
crimes against New York's penal statutes since the Summer 2008
RNC convention in Minnesota. I mean to make a formal legal complaint
against him as the victim of his crime. He claims he won't run again.
Ha. I mean to guarantee that.