Santorum to Mother of Cancer Survivor: People with Pre-Existing Conditions Should Pay Extra!!!

Sorry to hear about your cancer. These insurance companys know how to rip people off.

thanks
I have to think of it as a temporary inconvenience with long lasting challenges

i hope the shoe ends up stuck in his ass. now THAT would be a pre-existing condition.

Excellent comment scooter, nice to see you... =)

Thanks, KB. Great story post and nice to be back.

Nice to see you back, you doin ok???

Better than I was late last summer. Making a steady comeback. Thanks for asking, KB.

That's Great News, you are Quite Welcome.... =)

What you people fail to understand is the nature of insurance. Do you really think that they should go broke for you? They are a collection and redistribution agency, that is all. In other words, people really pool their money to pay out in case one of the members takes a loss. Look at how it basically started with shipping centuries ago. If someone had a ratty ship that probably would sink, do you think the other ship owners would say, “Hey, that’s fine. We will pay. We don’t care if our insurance costs double or triple.” Do you really advocate that?

What you government-worshippers leave out is that the bills have to be paid. I guess you think it is “free” if GOVERNMENT foots the bill, or “compassion” will solve everything. LOL.

Good Morning Leen... I am Ashamed and sadly do not think We as a people elect anyone these days... I could be wrong, but it seems to me that whom ever Big Pharma, etc think will tow their line, is who they make large contributions to... Folks can only work so many jobs and only have so much time to sit down and eat... Being on the run, most folks will settle for McRonalds, Wendy's etc... Not by any means the healthiest Grub... I can understand and agree that folks who choose to smoke or drink are at the mercy of their actions, but as we both see, the youngster probably did not make any of those decisions... It does make me wonder what cancer the youngster accrued???

My niece had a tumor in her stomach when she was only 4 years old, she is a survivor, but it also makes me wonder, just what it is that everyone uses that could cause these sicknesses.... Is it the Toothpaste??? The water, maybe baby food... I can only find this in youngsters, with adults I wonder about Deodorant... I need to do some research, it would seem to me that Cancer has become much more common day than it was in the 17- 1800's... Perhaps Canned Food??? We have found that folks who cook with aluminum pans may be increasing their chances of Alhzeimer's , but have nothing to add where cancer is concerned...

I agree with your entire first paragraph. I saw the movie "SICKO" and there is just no excuse for the shitty health care system we have.
You also make some very interesting observations in your second paragraph, KB. First, I'm so glad to hear that your neice is a survivor. :) I think alot of the illlness we see now are environmental and do to the ingredients in our food and toiletries. There is so much stuff in the food we eat that we don't know about. I've also heard so much about how bad our water is--what's in it. Also, alot of people eat at fast food places because sadly that is all they can afford.

Yes it's almost like we are Rats eating a little bit more poison every day... Flouride is in our water, why is beyond me flouride is a poison but the folks in charge will tell you a little is good for you??? It really makes me wonder about bottled water... I am sure folks drink more bottled water than tap water, what people think can be a more healthy alternative can also be something worse for them, I have never heard of the FDA approving bottled water, hence it draws my curiosity...

I need to go back and watch SICKO, it's been a while since I viewed it, I too am Happy for my niece, who is now in College... =)

That is great about your niece. "Sicko" is definitely worth a second viewing, KB.

I need to see if Comcast still has it or maybe I will need to rent it or watch it online.... Hmmm, I have a Better Idea, If I can find it on youtube, I will post it to my Fried Mice group... =)

Excellent idea, KB! :)

Found a couple more articles to post, then I can take a look around... =)

As far as I know, even if you have outstanding insurance coverage, I am sure a person would still need to pay a portion of such treatment... My Mother died of ovarian cancer but I never asked her about how she was being billed... There are others here that are part of my Cancer Fighters and Survivors group that would have more info...

...all treatment down here regarding Cancer is free...

You folks live in the Real World... I live in a Third World Country.... =(

...that fella, the subject of your post, makes my blood run cold, not only as regards this, but his numerous other inhumane statements...

It's what we should expect these days from the GOP... =(

Beautifully said! Absolutely true! (The military is another area that should -NEVER- be for-profit!)

Great comment. It would be nice to have universal healthcare.

No, not president.

Vice President, hopefully with Gingrich, but more likely with Romney. After he gets the 8 years of experience under Republican leadership, then he can be the president, of course.

No way. Santorum's just the fall guy. Like Bachmann, Cain, Perry he's the latest sacrifice to the right to try to suck the air out of the tea party/Ron Paul effort. He's got a few weeks to live and that's all.

Dream on.... this is not 1812.

The Tea Party is going strong. Watch what happens after the dust settles and a Republican is nominated and ready to oust B. Hussein Obama! 53 weeks to go and counting!

Its to late for me. I'm 12 and i listen to these canidates talk about what's gonna happen if they become president. They say crazy and stupid things. Like Santorum: we need a jesus canidate!" I think that he called himself jesus. Well he's not because jesus isn't crazy!

He is also Catholic... =)

He is Catholic, but I could care less, they are all F***ing Sick Morons, That need to do what is right for their family and friends... This Cat is a Tool that does what is Best for his Pocket Book like all the Rest of them....

Precisely my point. If he truly loves his fellow man he would not be passing judgments upon lifestyles so easily, because as a Christian he should know that all men fall short of the glory of God. Not much compassion on his part.

Indeed, so why take him seriously???

I hope you see the illogic in your post.

No judgment was passed, except that he applauded that woman, of course.

What are you talking about? When he brushes the sick with a wide stroke and blames their conditions on their lifestyles he is passing judgment. When he derides the LGBT community and pretends to be superior to them he is passing judgment. Everything about this man is passing judgment. If he wants to be a preacher, fine, but to continually attempt to interject his religious beliefs into the political process as a presidential candidate he should be avoided like the plague. Thankfully he is going NOWHERE.

He did not blame conditions on lifestyles. Try listening. He put it in the context.

If he is asked, what is he to do? Not respond? If he agrees with the Catholic Church that homosexual sex – the act and not the person – is sinful, what should he do, deny it?

And listen again to the video: Santorum NEVER said ALL conditions are a result of people’s voluntary choices, N..E..V..E..R. Not a-once. Nada. Nein. Nunca.

But let me ask YOU a question: Should society pay the medical bills for a person who smoked and ate a lot and did not take out medical insurance or save money? Be honest, please.

Sad but I like pointing my Finger at Him, wanna guess which one??? =)

Don't do that. It looks like a penis, it might turn him on and he will start saying really crazy stuff. Wait, what am I saying? Carry on. :)

Carrying On... =)

There is no "latent homosexuality." In the first place, he has seven children and a wonderful marriage.

In the next place, please articulate how you can conclude that. If a person disagrees with a point of view that means he has what Freud called a "reaction formation" for some reason?

Please substantiate your conclusion.

I await your response.

Hogwash.There is no latent homosexuality? According to whose authority? Not by any psychiatrist's.
And I've got news for you, , seven children and a wonderful marriage have absolutely nothing to do with anything. As a gay man I can personally tell you that I have bent over more than my fair share of married men with children and so-called wonderful marriages. He's married and has kids , so he must be straight. Talk about falling off the naive truck.

Anytime I see a candidate that has that kind of aversion to homosexuality, usually a men's public bathroom episode is not too far away from occurring.

Ability to produce sperm and deposit it into a woman's vagina does not a stone cold heterosexual make.

Intolerance of this kind usually springs from underlying self hatred. In any event, intolerance of the Santorum variety, should not be tolerated in a human being, much less a Presidential candidate.

I was at first just being flippant, but now that you made me think about it, this is my story and I am sticking to it.

Santorum thinks and talks about gay men all.the.time..As someone once said.. He's so far in the closet he can see Narnia.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-most...

LOL! I am so using the Narnia quote every chance I get!

I can agree with this post in this case, however you never really know, and a person is a product of two mains things, genetics and environment, change the environment, you change the person.

That is pseudo-psychobabble. It is only a reflection of your anger because his views do not align with yours, nothing more, nothing less.

YOU are the intolerant one. I would like to know your definition of “tolerance” and/or “intolerance.” Seriously. I do not think you know what either is.

Babbling nonsense. You cannot determine a person is a closet gay by a few speeches. It is wishful thinking.

Stop distorting and deceiving: I did not say Santorum is not a latent homosexual, I wrote two things:

1. It is vapid, insipid, presumptuous and cheeky to contend that Santorum is “latent” whatever. It is inane and puerile gibberish and nothing more.

And why? Simply because neither you nor I can know that. To presume as much only shows you are oblivious.

2. Few people are homosexual. What are the statistics? I neither know nor care, but I know it ain’t most people, of course. Don’t try to say most are. There is absolutely NOTHING in Santorum’s background that can substantiate your ludicrous and inane assertion. Repeat: NOTHING.

You remind me of a psychology joke:

Psych: I know your problem now.

Patient: Tell me, doc! Tell me.

Psych: Down deep, you want to have sex with your mother.

Patient: I do not. That is absurd!

Psych: Aha! The problem is worse than I thought. You are in DENIAL.

LOL!!!

What a load of preposterous, unrelenting, distorted and, yes, untruthful bull crap. Did you even go back and read the 2 statements before you wrote that mish mash ? It bears no relation to what you originally wrote or to what I said in my response. The music you hear in your head is off-key
and strikes a very discordant note when unleashed on others. Enjoy it by yourself , the rest of us
prefer our music in tune and reasonably lyrical.
And , speaking of lyricality, I hear a little bird singing and it's singing a very familiar and , what I always found , to be a quite annoying tune. Get the drift?

Apparently, you do not like truth. Just answer a simple question: How can you assert - with such certainty, in fact - that Santorum is a latent homosexual? It is not preposterous, it is arrogant and downright silly!

It simply is not possible. I suggest that you reflect on what drove you so adamantly to post such nonsense.

If you read my original comment , you will see that I never made any such assertion. Your head is so clogged with talking points that you can't even read a simple sentence and comprehend it's meaning.

Who is "Warren"?

Blah blah blah the left is attacking me and all the crazy radical right wing loonies that I support. Wah!

Thank you for the well-thought out, percipient and pithy reply.

I eagerly await the ensuing ones.

Let's see. Is this your "original" comment?

{Hogwash.There is no latent homosexuality? According to whose authority? Not by any psychiatrist's.
And I've got news for you, , seven children and a wonderful marriage have absolutely nothing to do with anything. As a gay man I can personally tell you that I have bent over more than my fair share of married men with children and so-called wonderful marriages. He's married and has kids , so he must be straight. Talk about falling off the naive truck.}

By implication, you agreed with the other poster's "diagnosis" of Santorum as a latent, of course. And you did not agree at all with my contention that one cannot make such as diagnosis from seeing speeches on the television.

Let's be honest, OK?

You know what they say about people who assume things. But I'm sure you're used to that. You can"t make a proper argument on your own, so you put words in other people's mouths so you can argue with yourself. Have fun with that.

I went to the trouble to quote you.

I rest my case.

Your case of implication? Ahhh...yes, a typical Rethuglican tactic used since the days of Willie Horton. Nothing ever changes in the Rethulican playbook of dirty tricks, distortion and lies.BTW.
Using the handle of an extroardinary Japanese author who was gay, to spread Rethuglican propoganda ,tells me all I need to know about you.

" I had long since insisted upon interpreting the things life forced me to do as victories of my own will and intelligence, and now the bad habit had grown into a sort of frenzied arrogance. In the nature of what I was calling my intelligence there was a touch of something illegitimate. a touch of the sham pretender who has been placed upon the throne by some freak chance. This dolt of a usurper could not forsee the revenge that would be inevitably be wreaked upon his stupid despotism." --Yukio Mishima

" The purest evil that human efforts could attain, in other words, was probably acheived by those men who made their wills the same and who made their eyes see the world the same way, men who went against the pattern of life's diversity." --Yukio Mishima

I don't believe the blasphemous use of his name, by those who represent the epitome of all he railed against, would be looked upon as flattering by Mishima

You went to great efforts to try to find something with which to attack me.

Personalize much, Joey? I recommend sticking to content.

Liberal bait much, Mishy?

Nope, just another Paid Loud Mouth... =)

They all accept contributions from corporate sources....politicians are nothing more than whores, corporations are their pimps, and we are the johns who pay to get fucked!

Unions are by far the biggest campaign contributers. By far, with none other coming even close!

I can provide the data if you like.

How about accepting $ from unions? They are by far the biggest contributors to political campaigns, bar none.

Perhaps she would like the information audited by an independent source.

I bet you can. But like all the data that is produced from either side of this circus, it is flawed and skewed to say what the particular entity funding the data collectors wish for it to say.

that is a good answer

No, it is from a non-partisan source, an independent source. You simply do not want to accept any information that does not align with your ideology.

Distorted data , of course.

Not distorted. Your ideology has blinded you to accepting facts. Unfortunate.

You distort, I'll decide.

He is promoting his Party, Not Jesus... I do wonder what he would have to say though... =)

It is generally the Leftists who invoke the name of Jesus, claiming He was a socialist and inferring that Jesus would want government to run the economy and stiff the putative "rich."

Well, being a liberal and an agnostic, I could care less what an imaginary being had to say about anything.
But I have yet to see a liberal use Jesus as a political propoganda to turn voters against the opposition party. That seems to be the sole perogative of Republicans who can't seem to open their mouths without the word "God" tumbling from their disingenuous lips.
They also can't seem to pass a piece of legislation without trying to interject their theology into my personal life.
" I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. You Christians are so unlike your Christ."--Gandhi

"inferring that Jesus would want government to run the economy and stiff the putative "rich.""
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Now that you put it that way... I doubt Jesus ever had a problem with an individual simply for being 'rich', as neither do most good People. It was probably 'how' an individual (or group of individuals) attained that wealth and the effect it had on other human lives that pissed him off at the temple. Even he didn't solve the problem there that day, however, 'Government' has actually made some progress in that direction over the course of our Country.

Nothing wrong with referring to God, of course, despite what Diaper Daddy says.

At the temple, I think it was more that they were profaning a holy place rather than the selling per se.

You know, you are beginning to sound awfully familiar to me. Hmmmm?