Evolution *is* taught as a scientific theory, and it is the best working theory that we have because of the multitude of evidence that supports it. Gravity is also a theory.

Creationism is an ancient story from an ancient book written by humans who had a very mystical interpretation of the world around them. There is absolutely nothing scientific about creationism and thus it should not be taught in a science class. In the same manner, Greek mythology should also not be taught in a science class. It is appropriate however to have it taught in a church, and that is where it should stay.

Your whole premise for the "accuracy" of creationism is that it comes from the Bible. While that is proof enough for you, it is certainly not the ultimate resource for scientists who require facts, evidence, observation, and data to study and explain phenomena. The Bible told you to "lean not in your own understanding", and you have chosen to obey. Science, however, is the effort to understand our world using logic, reason, and observation. Creationism is not logical, reasonable, or observable - and all empirical data proves that it is nothing more than mythology. This bill and many others like it are an attempt to blur the very clear boundaries of science and Christian myth for the purposes of indoctrinating children.

I don't expect you to understand, because you are very much a product of your religious upbringing. You have put your faith in book that you deem infallible, and that precludes any further discussion into the realm of logic. I only hope that you will understand that for many, "because the Bible tells me so" is not a sufficient answer.

"...Those who are adamant about Creationism in schools seek to proselytize their own faith on all schoolchildren."

And it seems likely they are the same people who objected to Obama giving a pep talk to American school kids at the beginning of the past school year, insisting he would 'indoctrinate' them. Oy vey.

Yes, yes - teach the controversy. Some say the world is round some say it's flat. The matter is far from settled.

Face, meet palm.

But the Bible never said the Earth was flat. It DOES say that God created the universe.

^^^ "creative writing..." Thanks for the pun.

I like the idea of having Harry Potter science where everyone pretends to be magical.

You never know. Very possible.

That is one of the GOP's goals

To benefit Who??? I am saying Bilderberg group/club... =(

Bilderberg? Nah, just those cheap labor/ slave holder wannabees, otherwise known as the 1%

Ha!!! I got a negative... To anyone that doesn't already know it... Al Gore has attended these meetings!!!! Ha Ha!!!!

Keep Talking, Keep giving away your thoughts and feelings of the daily news... I am sure Al is making money by every click as well as every time a show is viewed on Current... At the Hands of those we Bitch about!!! Too Fu**ing Funny!!!!

"Smile!!! You are on Candid Camera!!!!" =)

i bumped you back up there .

Thanks artemis6... =)

At least parts of our country.

Me too, once I finally got back online! Had a short, partial glimpse of what life will be like without the satellites and computer chips that run things for us.

Were you camping ?

Nope. Just a string of strange technology failures LOL We live in a very remote community, so it takes a little more than a short hop to Radio Shack to get things replaced. Then, this morning we needed to use the vehicle (weeks go by without starting that up) and the battery was dead! LOL What a weekend! Charging battery so we can get to the store for drinking water, as the stuff in the tap is not fit for stock animals due to extremely high Ph. (Water here is great if one needs a laxative. Maybe I should bottle some and send it off to Congressman Rehberg, and other pols who are full of sh.....)

I love to go camping, but not in January in MT. I am SO past the years when that sort of thing was fun.

And somehow, the hole always seems to fit just right. No matter how small the puddle gets.

Happy to be your tenth + on that one!

I seriously cannot think of anything dumber than believing that an all-powerful divine being cares about a fucking football game.

Whoever believes that is an idiot, end of story.

No arguments there, Saladin. But this is what this country is becoming more by the day.

If god can help Mr. Tebow overcome his opponents to win a football game why can god not help President Obama overcome his opponents to help our country?

Answer: There is no god.

43 PERCENT!???

That makes me not want to cheer for him!

With all that divine intervention, he's no longer the underdog. LOL!

In his defence, I think he has come out and said "God doesn't care about who wins football games." He seems to get it more than some of his fans.

What are those stupid fans going to say when Brady throws for 400 yards and Denver loses 45-17? "There is no God?" If he gets the credit, he should get the blame, too.

I agree, HH.

This thing drives me nuts. Wouldn't having a God on your side be more performance enhancing than steroids? How long is the N.F.L. going to let Tebow cheat like that? And if winning a wild card game is proof of a God, what will not winning the Super Bowl be proof of? I once heard it explained like this. A community is suffering from a great drought. The religious leaders say " we must pray for rain". So the community prays for rain. Alas, the drought continues. So the religious leaders say "we must pray harder". So, the community prays harder. Still, no rain. The community prays for four years, but to no avail. The drought continues. On the first day of the fifth year, the rains come, and the religious leaders say "we told you, prayer works". Any religious leader would have you ignore the four years of failure.

Exactly, jim. The true believers will craft the story around whatever the result is and then attribute it to God. When someone good dies, it's to make the living stronger through loss, etc. etc. It's their playbook.

Seeing as how many people in Colorado refer to it as "God's Country," it seems only natural that He would be a Broncos fan, oh Glory, Glory, Hosannah, etc!

or maybe god just likes football more than politics...I know I do. ;-)

LMFAO!!! I wish I could vote this up 10 times!!!! :D

Heehee. Of course, if and when he loses, that must be part if his god's plan too. Maybe, by letting the other team win, he's hoping to give them a bit of false hope so he can crush it later.

Yeah, that's it. The load, I mean "lord" works in mysterious ways.

Or, as is usually the case, tell you the first four years were a test of faith.

You nailed it, HH! Blame Tebow. Denver lost 45-10 on Saturday! You were only a few digits off. You said the loss would be 45-17. Well done!

"The load, I mean "lord" works in mysterious ways" LOL! It was part of God's plan....Denver lost 45-10 on Saturday!

Normally we cheer for the Broncos in this house, save when they are playing the Pats. Gotta tell ya, we had NO reservations cheering when Tebow hit the ground time after time Saturday night. Seems the defensive line of the Patriots might be tired of all the 'god loves Tebow' ranting.

Go HEATHENS!

don't know what they were sayin, but at our house it was "Go HEATHENS!"
And the whole town around us was deathly quiet that night. Also, not the usual traffic to chruch Sunday morning. Amazing. ;^)

If God is so all powerful and so loves Colorado, why is the traffic so bad through Denver metro area? ::insert evil grin here::

Tom Brady to Tim Tebow: "Not only did I beat you ... but I impregnated TWO supermodels ... out of wedlock ... then dumped one of 'em ... churchy!"

Kinda wish I hadn't had a mouthful of tea when I read that! Teablow!

Alright attila! I agree!

Same fervor, dfferent religion. All can be dangerous. Just another form of intolerance.

Exactly, DEM46.

Cretinism.

Religion is taught in school, as an elective, in a comparative religion class.

It's not taught in a science class, especially since it's demonstrably bogus.

Moreover, it's a violation of the first amendment to force anyone to learn anything about religions.

On top of that, these people want to teach you their religion, which is not the same learning *about* a religion.

Did it say that they want it taught as science?
I would disagree with that.

Nevertheless, it should be a part of the core curriculum. How can one be educated without knowing religion(s).

How do you know religion is bogus?
No one can know for sure.

This could all be a butterfly's dream.

I despise God because he does not align with my core values. He's insecure, a misogynist, racist asshole. That being said, it doesn't mean he isn't real.

Most think that fairy tales are to be kept out of school.

I subscribe that the Bible is worse than a fairy tale as it condones things that all rational people today find abhorrent such as slavery, or beating your wife and treating her like property.

Worse than no educational value, it's destructive.

The basics of religions are taught in most history classes, what else do you need to know? There's a hell of a lot more important things to teach.

As for your butterfly comment, you're typing on a machine which uses, at the very least, the following advanced scientific concepts : Industrial Chemistry, both for the plastic and the metals and the machines that built the parts, Electromagnetism, Quantum Physics and related studies for all the electrical engineering and the communications systems that allow you to transmit the data. And Computer Science, the field I'm in, which organizes all the data and makes the transmission of electrons meaningful and fast.

If this is a dream, it is a very complicated dream.

Moreover, dream or not, there are objective facts. The objective facts that religion claims such as that earth is the center of the universe, that is a flat disk surrounded by a large crystal dome, that pi is a round number, etc. etc. etc., are all demonstrably wrong.

At the very least I would say that positive claims require positive evidence. Duh.

As to your god comment, what's more likely. That the supposed creator of an infinitely vast universe is less morally intelligent than a small child and has values remarkably similar to the bronze age people who wrote these myths, or that it was made up by said bronze age people?

More importantly, Read "The God Virus" sometime. One of the most important things the author cites is the ability for religions to capture the next set of followers is to brain-wash them while they're young. Religion should be explored as an adult with critical thinking skills. Then, if an adult decides to join/practice a belief they are doing it of their own volition and not because they were indoctrinated as a child. I read a book to my children called "The 7 major religions of the world." it discussed what they believe and the history. Both my son's are atheists such as myself. They (as I) tend to know more about most people's religions than they do. I did this on purpose, I never forbid them from attending church with friends or doing youth group functions. They knew my feelings but I also let them see that for themselves. Given critical thinking skills even young people see through the guise of these outdated belief systems.

Wanting it taught as science is exactly what intelligent design is saying. They want it taught in science class. The bill says they want "creationism taught as science".

100% correct "On top of that, these people want to teach you their religion, which is not the same learning *about* a religion."

I think we should give young people more credit.
Bring on the creationist/evolution debate.

I think the creationists can make some good points too.

All in the spirit of learning.

I think we all should be open minded and hot hold on to facts for dear life.
Let's all consider other points of view no matter how ludicrous you think they may be.

I think our young people are missing out if they are not being taught religion in school -- not as a science of course.

I totally disagree, there are a lot of stories in the bible worth debate and discussion.
I wish atheists would not be as dogmatic as theists and have more of an open mind.

It would be impossible to understand much about history and politics without learning a little bit about religion.

That is exactly why they want it taught in schools. They are just like the cigarette companies. They know if you do not get them when they are young and impressionable, you do not get them at all. And what ever happened to honor thy mother and thy father? Are they going to stand in a class room and say "don't listen to your secular parents"? Sounds like more religious hypocrisy to me.

Religion is not taught in public schools because religion is not real.

I have an open mind when we're talking about real things. The bible is a collection of parables for those who couldnt read, in a different era. Nothing to teach that today's common sense can't do. Be kind, dont kill, etc.

True.

Agreed, just there's a difference between learning about the origin, history, etc. Vs. Treating it as fact based and worthy of study.

It used to be the other way around. Religion dominated the discussion in schools - once every kid prayed. Where was the opened mindedness then my friend?

Naw, you make too much sense ;)

There are religion classes in schools.

The problem is creationism isn't taught -- or attempted to be taught as religion -- it's attempted to be taught as faux science.

the debate's been over for decades. creationism lost definitively. Creationists make no good points ever and I invite you to name even one. I guarantee it's already been thoroughly debunked. But hey in the spirit of learning, give it a go. Hopefully you'll learn something by the end of it.

Amen . check out cargo cults , too . it is a good example of HOW they get started .

How about just a comparative religions class ? Creation ism is one of about 500 religions in the world . An overview of religion globally would be more helpful to a person long term , don't you think ?

As a parent i DID review the bible looking for useful stories . Aesops fables and other books were also considered . It depends i concluded , on what kind of person you want your kid to be . Obedient , or independent thinker . I settled on actual history . A peoples' history for kids . Documentaries about history have REAL value , in this time . I decided to teach history through the corporations , which explains a lot of why countries did what . The east india trading company and the Medici family , for example .

Religion is everywhere . It cannot be avoided , that is PLENTY . Asking for prayer dollars , picketing clinics , knocking on my door , Preaching at the bus station . Someplace needs to be safe from it . Public School , should be that place .

Hey, I like to be bothered at home on Saturday ;)

If you call them , they will come .

I've got $10 on the lions, so do me proud!

My people used to hunt wild shih-tzus and make ceremonial mittens from their hides.

The shih tzu was selectively bred by man from a another selectively bred dog called the Kitchen Midden Dog. This dog was also selectively bred into the pug. You will notice that I said most dog breeds. The evidence that man was selectively breeding wolves into dogs goes back 10.000 years. But all dogs were selectively bred. However most modern breeds are no more than 300 years old. Even the bulldog as we see it today, is not the same as it was just 100 years ago. The shih tzu's closest known wild ancestor is the now extinct Chinese grey wolf. If you were hunting shih tzu's to make mittens, it's because somebody turned them loose.

I know, they selectively breed those dogs something fierce, too! I remember years ago, my mom got two Lhasa Apsos from a breeder for a good discount because she promised to let her breed one of them with his grandmother. They tried, and oh did they try, but I guess there are some things even a dog won't do...

The Lhasa Apsos was bred as a guard dog.

Why? Why do you want to mandate your religious beliefs on others?

It wouldn't matter even if it did, since it's unconstitutional and has been to court on this issue probably dozens of times.

Have you ever met a zealot that didn't want their point of view taught to the heathens?

If everyone believed the same as he did, then he wouldn't look so much like a cretin.

But it's not even taught, teaching doesn't bother me.

This is a literal mandate. It's forcing people, by law, to believe what you believe.

If we're going to require that creation myths be taught in schools, I think that all of the creation myths should be given equal time, including the ones Douglas Adams made up.

Good point.