Perry: ‘Over the top’ to give urinating marines ‘criminal’ charges

I am more ashamed of the Politicians that sent them there... You do make an excellent point, voted up... =)

Urinating on a dead warrior is not only an act of cowardice, it's a major violation of warrior code. I would call it barbaric but that would not be fair to barbarians. A real warrior recognizes the enemy as a partner in death and acts accordingly. Patton would have thrown these jerks in the brig and busted them down for something like this.

This veteran sees nothing glorious about it. In fact, it tarnishes my own decorated service in two separate uniformed services, the uniform my father wore as a career officer and decorated combat soldier, the uniform my uncle wore for over 35 years highly-decorated service and many others in my family and those I called friend and fellow serviceman. It tarnishes also the good service of my friends who lost their lives.

I would strip them of all rank and discharge them with dishonor.

if i were dead i wouldnt care. islamo facists have always done much worse to the dead including their own. congrats to your nephew on his honorable service, i hope he returns safely. its too bad we live in america where i can say whatever i want regardless to your twisted leanings. im even willing to allow your demented tirades to continue without censor or editing even if they are mostly slanderous. shalom

Yes!!! Free Bradley Manning... =)

I couldn't agree more.

Oh, they'll try alright... they'll not miss an opportunity to divert attention from their own inequities and nefarious back-room dealings.

"Ahem"... whatever

...except that most horses aren't flag-waving chickenhawks! :-D

Ah shit... what gave me away, my patriotism to our soldiers?

Heh, oh just perfect!.. a snarky remark from a wanabe

It is Congress that establishes the UCMJ. This has everything to do with them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Code_of_Military_Justice

I just want to thank you naumadd. I have read all your comments below. You represent the better side in all of us. You're better at this then I am.

patriotism is for suckers. and soldiers are just the dregs of society brainwashed into killbots for the machine

I don't usually agree with you on most things itsbatman but I do with that statement.

Nice slam coming from one of the moral poseurs and dilettantes of virtue who arm themselves with indignant self righteousness.

To broad brush all soldiers because of the actions of these marines? WTH? That is so wrong.

Welcome to the self righteous world of the left

oh i dont broad brush them based on this. i broad brush them based on the fact that we have been at 'war' for what, 20 years now, in one place or another? and it being a volunteer army, well it seems to me that any idiot who joins either has no other life options, thus being an idiot, or simply wants to kill and /or die for the machine, thus being a kill bot

"any idiot who joins either has no other life options, thus being an idiot, or simply wants to kill and /or die for the machine, thus being a kill bot"

Perhaps there are motivations for joining that you have not accounted for. Slandering all for the actions of some is just plain wrong and it does not lend itself to dialogue or understanding.

This could not be further from the truth. Perhaps you should join and found out the genuine truth.

If a brute with a gun in his or her hand is the only image you have of EVERYONE in the military, you have much to learn of the kind of amazing people and the amazing work they do in the armed services.

And check out his links to Grover Norquist.

Excellent.

two thumbs up

I am glad that I don't live in that state
It is a nice state but not for the 99%

What kind of human being doesn't call that a crime?

I Don't.... A bit out of hand, them folks were probably trying to Kill Them!!! As far as I am concerned, this seemed to be some sort of Propaganda to make the enemy have Fear...

That the dead were firing at them perhaps explains why they are dead, but it doesn't explain the pissing. Neutralizing the enemy is a matter of duty - pissing on them wasn't. In fact, pissing on them was dereliction of duty.

'This' will only get you 'That'. Live by the sword, die by the sword. 'Let he that is without sin cast the first stone.'
Here's another one for you...' thick as a brick.'

and what would say if your child or mother was pissed on by a rescue worker

Religion and the thoughts that go with them are of your choosing to believe or to look the other way..... I choose the ladder... =)

Got me... Maybe You can tell me???

Charles Harvey Eh'???

Back at Ya'.... =)

So because they are a bunch of heinous and barbaric fools its ok for us to be? What these soldiers did was in my opinion wrong and they should apologize and clean the latrines for a month.

I think they deserve a pat on the back and a bucket of cold pints of beer!

Get a sense of honor, rightie.

Bite me... It is my opinion, and I regard my countries soldiers with respect and honor, not by chance, but by choice.

Overall yes i would agree, but our military must be held to a higher standard and I do believe that ought to at least be scolded. were i to meet one in a bar tonight I would most defiantly say to him that was a bit fucked up there man. At the same time I would be buying him a beer and txting all my hot single friends to get down here quick.

Cool beans...

...leads to more piss..

I am sure that ground zero workers were urinating on the site all the time.

Take it from this disabled veteran - their behavior is not in keeping with the values of a military professional, not in keeping with the best American values, and not in keeping with the values of civilization.

They should be expelled from military service dishonorably.

Military professionals aren't held to higher standards - they are simply held to standards that ought to be ubiquitous to what is allegedly a "civilized" culture.

On the contrary Jubal. . . they were shedding tears. . . on the ground to dust remains of close to 3000 of our innocent civilians.

You're welcome to try. . . I live in Hilo. . . I look forward to your arrival if you feel up to it.

Touché.

I don't doubt that you think you could, and I know damned well that would be a sad day for us both... to fight over our marines pissing on dead terrorist who're trying to kill them daily, don't you think?

Then you'd have lost everything... and I'm not ashamed

I stand my ground about my opinion and for that I'm a coward? ... Get a grip, or let'er rip for all I care.

If you go to war because you object to the savagery of your enemy, by what warrant do you oppose that enemy if you too engage in savagery? Do you oppose them because you are more just ... or because you simply don't like the competition?

War IS savagery... always will be... the strongest most savage usually wins, hence the adage - to the victor goes the spoils !

I disagree that defending yourself is savagery. That's not to say the conflict in Afghanistan is in defense of our nation. I happen to believe it is not. Yes, some or even most warring is savagery versus savagery, but let's at least acknowledge the fact the genuinely peaceful man may, at times, have to meet violence with defensive violence.

He is not a savage for doing so.

True... though prolonged armed conflict breeds contempt and savagery... it inevitably becomes so, is that not so?

I think that the majority of our boots on the ground soldiers have the same sentiment as their buddies (although probably with more restraint) who drained their disdain onto the remains that were representative to, and of the very essence of a culture that believe that we are just mere infidels, and are less than dogs who should be forced to walk in the streets, and exercise Islam and their archaic and harsh application of it's Sharia upon their own people, such as hanging gays, treating their women as chattel... as far as I'm concerned, there is a much bigger picture going on here...

Your approval of my opinions are of no concern to me... just saying

Yes, one has to admit that it can, but I disagree it's inevitable and certainly disagree it should be excused simply because "it's war."

Is war inexcusable, even though the cause may be right?..
Imo, acts that are savagery, are not the urinating upon the carcasses of enemy combatants, but upon the defenseless... and time and again, this enemy in fact does just that, wreaking havoc and mayhem, even upon their own people... so I have no problem understanding our soldiers contempt for such jackals of war.

If one fights an enemy because one doesn't like the competition, you can expect savagery for savagery. If you fight your enemy because you object to the initiation of violence against yourself and others, if you object to savagery committed against the civilized, it demolishes your argument to then behave savagely toward your enemy. It's hypocritical to claim to be more civilized than your enemy and then behave just as savagely or worse, isn't it?

U.S. soldiers are expected to follow the rules of combat and behave professionally on duty and off. They are expected to abide the UCMJ which expects them to abide the Geneva Conventions.

These did not. They failed their fellow servicemembers, failed their superiors, failed the law, failed their Commander in Chief, failed their Congress, failed the Americans they are charged to represent, failed their Constitution, failed their families, their friends, failed Americans all the way back to the beginning and, worst of all, failed civilization.

They are animals. It was, yes, a simple act, but with horrible intent and with horrible significance to many.

That is your opinion... it is not mine, as I said, I understand their sentiment and I'll not fault them for it.

Whodathunk???? =)

But he will... =)

I did not take that into account, Voted to zero,cos someone disagreed and voted your comment down... =(

Our image? The US powers that be seem to be only interested in our image when we can blame young soldiers for it being tarnished. The huge, unacceptable actions that are committed by the powerful are ignored and unpunished daily.

As far as Perry goes, he digs his hole deeper every day. He is inconsequential but still good for laughs.

I 100% agree with you.

I agree -- The fact that we're still involved in Afghanistan with what seems to not be a clear objective, or even a plausible explanation, is outrageous and unacceptable.

That being said, however, these soldiers ought to have the sense of honor to know better than to defile the corpses of their fellow soldiers, even if they're from the other side.

I agree with you and Perry, Voted Up... =)

No, it is not necessary to hate one's enemy in order to oppose them. I'm not at all saying "love thy enemy", I'm simply saying there is job to be done - protect the non-violent from the violent and do it with professionalism.

Feelings of hatred are unprofessional and a liability to the performance of one's duties.

Acts of hatred are unprofessional and a liability to the performance of one's duties, to the safety of one's fellow soldiers, to those they follow and to those they represent.

Well put.

Smokin' comment Joy... =)

Thanks. The hypocrisy of this whole situation is making my head explode.