The undeniable Racist, Elitist, Republican Debate Audiences! And the Ultimate insult: Debate held on MLK Day in South Carolina!

So your trying to tell us, a bunch of Dems had overwhelming applause lines for racist remarks during that debate? Cause if you are, I don't remember such a thing being done during that debate. You see this why you guys on the right don't clearly see how even what you just said was highly insensitive! Get a clue would you!

Paratus, if you cannot, or rather , will not see the difference between acknowledging increased educational opportunities and suggesting that black children clean school toilets then you are hopeless.
If Newts intention was not meant to be insulting why then, didn't he suggest that those same students could, instead of doing the most menial, symbolically distasteful tasks, intern at software developing firms, or architectural offices , or financial institutions? The innuendo was clear and the rise it got from the people from the state that still flew the confederate flag over it's capital as late as 2000 testifies to that.
Your support for the people who hold those views reveal your character...you are as transparent as a pane of glass...

He even interjects his political views as an EMT professional when picking patients, can you imagine that?

The post was about the supposed "ultimate insult" of the RNC debate being held on MLK day. The Dems did it also and it was applauded. There was nothing "insensitive" about it.

HOt flash Kenny- we don't "pick" patients. We treat everyone who needs us. Perhaps you should ride along and get a dose of reality.

Oh horse crap. Quit trying to make what I said something I didn't. You are full of it. Re read my post. As usual you put so much spin on it I am surprised that it stays on the computer screen. My comments are related to MLK day and the fact that the Dems held a debate on that day in 2008 and now that the RNC used MLK day for thier debate, for some reason it is racist in your mind. You know exactIy what I am speaking of so don't try to dredge up some lie. The only other subject in my response is the pointing out the hypocrisy of the left and their lies about this. As usual, the "racism" charge is bogus. It's the boy who cried wolf all over again. This is so tiring.

You still don't get it, even after my explanation!

I wonder how many (nanny state) recipients have died in your care? Maybe an investigation should be launched into your service!

Kenny, hate to say it but you did not explain anything.

Most of the DOAs we see are getting CPR when we arrive or already in asystole and we can't do anything anyhow. If it is pulmonary we have a pretty good chance of getting them back depending on how long they have been down. Cardiac, not so good regardless. When we pick up people we don't deal with insurance. I HAVE had people pull out a checkbook and offer a check which we refuse. I have also had people tell us they don't have any insurance to which we respond that it doesn't matter. Let me repeat this in case you are having difficulty comprehending it. We don't screen patients, we don't dish out care based on social status. I don't know of any EMS personnel who would even entertain the thought that this would be correct. We do this because we enjoy it. Believe me, it isn't for the money. We have protocols we abide by which are based on presentation, not on anything else. What trys out patience are the transports for sore ears, toes or throats because invariably, during the transport we will get a chest pain call and have to pass on it. Can't kick the patient out of the truck for a better medical problem. Why don't you ride along with EMS in your area. If what you are saying is the case in your area then you are invited to come ride with me, you can even stay in one of our spare bedrooms so you don't incur motel expense, and see what it is like.

That is absolutely correct!

I like that, perfect! Nice to see your Tyr~ :)

Exactly!

Glad you agree. Thanks.

1965 was kind of their high point, wasn't it?

What are you talking about? Why was 1965
their "high point". NO, it was not. Don't you
know who was President that year?

80 percent of the Republicans in Congress voted for the Voting Rights Act in 1965.

It's been downhill ever since.

That certainly doesn't say that it was
"their high point" during the liberal
administration of the "Great Society".

They either stopped--or started--thinking in
pre-1860, and they've remained stuck there.

Mr. Carver over came the road blocks in his path, worked to put himself thru college, and started a career that stemmed from his days helping his master's wife with chores around the house. A true role model for todays youth.

We need more youths like this today with the motivation and desire to learn.

Exactly. Good point. I forgot about that.

How many youth are genius like Carver, not many.
Carver was born a slave, kids today are born free and do not want to revert back to a time where they had to clean the classrooms. That is retro.

Mr. Carver was not endowed with genius, but with motivation.

Do you propose that todays youth are above working to attain their desires, be it an IPod, a book of poems or a college degree, and that these things should be supplied by the great benefactor?

Not as a janitor, but as an intern at a company so they can learn about the real world.

Carver was a genius, now deal with it.

All of the motivation in the world doesn't lead to scientific achievement. I don't think you are stupid, so you must have a problem accepting the fact of Carver's genius. It is very sad to have to lie to yourself in order to cope with your insecurities.

So being a janitor at a company, working up to the mail room, material stacker, then the production floor, to production floor management, these things are beneath the youth of today ? Guess what the real world requires that you sometimes do things that you would rather not in order to accomplish a greater goal.

From you stance on "the work of a janitor" I take it that you would rather relegate those positions to migrant workers since American kids cannot be expected to do such humiliating work. Pretty progressive of you.

"One is not born a genius, one becomes a genius" (Simone de Beauvoir).

Sad is editing your own post to add snarky remarks.
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I don't think you are stupid, so you must have a problem accepting the fact of Carver's genius. It is very sad to have to lie to yourself in order to cope with your insecurities.
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Much like Mr. Carver I set my sights on a goal, took a few detours but got back on the path, and ended up where I desired.

Are the white children who helped their masters wife with chores around the house equally inspiring role models? Just how inspiring is it for children to find out that the land of the free was built, for almost half of it's existence, on the backs of slaves? I suppose today's white children don't much need role models like George Washington Carver. Since Newt and his ilk seem to think only the African American children need to be reintroduced to the work ethic. Which youths were you talking about? I wouldn't want to get the meaning of your post wrong. I'm not saying that you think like Newt or anybody else. But the things he says makes it look like he thinks only the African American children need this. And why, I wonder, does he always talk about cleaning bathrooms. Can't he come up with any other kind of work that would help him sell his ideas. When he says things the way he says them, it makes it to easy for his detractors. I had a part time job when I was a kid. Didn't hurt me in any way. I worked for six hours every weekday through the school summer holidays, pushing seed onions out of gravity bins, from the time I was twelve until I was sixteen. I can still remember the first day Harvey gave me my own pay envelope with all that cash in it. Why I thought I was the richest kid that ever lived. Once I was in my second year of high school , I was given an absence exemption for the first three weeks of the school year, for grades ten trough twelve, in order to help bring in the tobacco harvest. Newt saying that children can work is not such a ridiculous idea. It's how he says it that stinks.

Well said!

That would be all youths. The reference here was "poor kids" if you want to take that as code for "black kids" i'll not take that argument as we would need a menu of words and their meaning to discourse.

from the op
"White folks make up 39% of welfare, Black Folks 37%, and Hispanics 17%"

I'd say that there are a lot of poor kids from both races and they need all the positive motivation they can get.

No no . I was not taking it as code for anything. I agree that there is no good reason for a child not to have a part time job to teach them the work ethic. I like to think of myself as a good example for the reasons I stated. I went on to college and I am now in the health sciences. In no small measure because of the work ethic instilled in me in those years working part time as a youth. What I was trying to say, is the way Newt sells the idea is causing the division between people. I don't know if Newt is doing it on purpose or not. Or even if my observation is correct. Look at the conversation you were having with tverdell. In my mind, not very productive, because the way things are being said by Newt, and others like him, make it look like a black and white thing, when you and I both know black and white has nothing to do with it. And yes, positive motivation of any kind is a good thing. No matter where it comes from.

That often happens, even in today's
society, even on internet forums.

I can't speak to what Newt's intention was for the “cleaning bathrooms” line of responses, his point could have been made in a less controversial way but I speculate that “mowing the grass” would have been met with the same outcry from some.

It would be nice if some of the MSM went to the schools and polled the kids on what they thought of the idea of working at the school, not exclusive bathroom stuff, but have it in there, and run some stories on the results.

I've heard that working with tobacco is a touch on the nasty side, is this true?

Ya that convo went into death spiral from the git. But one can learn from it.

Very. That's why we were never allowed to do it till we where older and knew enough to keep the tar of our hands, and wise enough to stay safe around the priming machines. As far as the MSM is concerned, I agree, they could ask the kids, and their parents what they think of this idea. I doubt many of the parents didn't work at something when they were young people. This whole thing seems a little odd to me. I can't help thinking the politicians are using it for political gain. You know, the far right Republican base does seem to like it when Newt makes these veiled racist comments. That's how it seems. You can be a good Conservative without liking what the far right represents. We have had a Conservative government in Canada since 2006, and in the summer election we gave them the House of Commons until 2016. I myself, who may sound liberal by the American sense of things, and describe myself as liberal minded, has voted conservative in Canada many times. I must admit , not in our last federal election. But I certainly plan to do so in our next provincial election. The liberals in Ontario are getting a little to use to mantel of power for my liking. But you would have a hard time getting any Canadian to go along with what the far right in the U.S. is doing and saying right now. If you are a Conservative crabbyoldguy, I would hope that you see that the far right could be taking you down the wrong road. This isn't Ronald Reagan's party anymore. But who am I to ask you to reflect on your own beliefs? I mean no disrespect.

I agree it's for political gain and viewership. I have to say a no holds barred debate between Obama and Newt would be entertaining.

Myself, I lean toward the right but I'm still upright enough to drive.
No problem, I reflect all the time, I'm old. :)

Good night old boy.

Sorry I drifted off there. Being in California I can sympathize with your unease of one party controlling power for an extended period of time. One can see the craziness up close that comes out of a political system out of control, and the pandering bull crap that spews forth as the politicians grease the hands of friends and family all the while proclaiming how they are the only ones that will keep the fire/police/school's open. The last election they had some crap tax increases on the ballot, and out comes the dems saying everything is going to close up because they were out of money, which they are but it doesn’t stop them from using transportation dollars to paint murals under overpasses. They then proceeded to close a bunch of the rest areas on the interstate highway and along some beaches to make their point. In the end the tax raise did not go thru and every one of the rest areas opened back up.

When the mayor of a city(LA) can take 40 thousand dollars+ worth of event tickets from companies doing business with the city and then claim that he didn't know it was wrong and get away with it is maddening. To top it off the dems held a special fund raiser to gather funds to pay the fines and reimburse the cost of the tickets.

Things that make you go ARGGHHHHH.

That's the kind of thing that will drive anybody crazy. Murals under overpasses? Really? The Liberal party here did the same thing. It happened that the Liberals under Jean Chretien, our Prime Minister at the time, were paying large amounts of money to political and business friends, for favors, and contracts in which little or no work was done. This took place in the early part of the last decade. Inquiries were held, people were arrested and convictions were made. The evidence showed that the Prime Minister himself had no knowledge of the payments, and I have no reason to doubt this. But I agree with the Inquiry which said "The Prime Minister must bear some of the responsibility because the program was run under his office". Sounds about right to me. The Conservative party here fell into their own pot of hot water for accepting kickbacks from a man named Karlheinz Schreiber, who represented the airplane manufacturer Airbus. These kickbacks were to secure a contract between Airbus and the Canadian government worth $1.8 billion dollars. That's billion, with a b. Fortunately for us in Canada, These political crooks have a hard time getting away with this kind of stuff. Try it here, and your just as likely to find yourself in jail as rich.

Me too!

Jon brings up the point that to bring the jobs back all to the US the cost of production needs to be equal between nations suggesting that China needs unions to close the parity. So now China is having it's industrial growth peroid and we must whine and complain because jobs have left the US, So How long will it take for parity to be achieved and once it is achieved will the bulk of production move to another country with lower labor cost ? It's a vicious cycle that's just starting.

Just calling em, as I see em!

Lets take up a collection for a museum, I'll volunteer to tranquilize them!

Now all we need is a taxidermist and we're almost there!

Oooh, wouldn't that be special! :)

Sorry my friend, your wrong on this one!

Your avatar speaks volumes about your credibility.

You must feel that its aimed at you.........

Wrong about what???? That the dems held there debate in 08 on the same day or you spewing the race card. I will look back if I get the time and check your posts for the almighty race card being played time and time gain.

Enjoy. :)

I looked. Under stories you submitted it only shows the last 5 or 6 and your one line comments are just to much to even want to deal with.

Again, I ask, wrong about what? The dems and there date or you spewing the almighty race card. Both are true and I find it hard to believe you don t see it.

Its pretty easy to look up the dems debate date in SC in 08. so I can only guess that you feel like you dont always spew out the race card. Keep that in mind the next time you go to use that race card.

And now for your QUESTION! Dr. King was a Democrat, the first Black Man or African American (To Win) was running for President in 2008. For Democrats who lost the South for a Generation because Lyndon Johnson got legislation passed in the 60's it was fitting for a Democratic Debate on MLK Day. And somehow you can't see the Racism in the current Republican Party and of all places to hold a debate on MLK Day in South Carolina? Perhaps you have never understood the word Racism, and maybe you get your talking points from Glen Beck to even suggest somehow this was an absurd event for that day.

A most excellent comment, love the references as well! :)

You can't be that ignorant!

There may be pockets of racism here and there, but If there was no legimate threat of racism, race hustling anti-free speech groups like the SPLC would dry up for lack of funds thus the need for Current participants like Sandy Berman to spam us with SPLC ads.

Incredible idocracy!

Nope! Thanks.