Ron Paul fights indefinite detention of Americans
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The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012, or the NDAA, was inked by President Barack Obama on New Year’s Eve, despite immense opposition from Americans who were concerned by vague language that could allow the commander-in-chief to use military forces to domestically police the United States. Under Section 1021 of the NDAA, any person, US citizen or not, can be held without trial by American armed forces if they are suspected of being engaged in hostilities against the country by al-Qaeda or associated forces.
Opponents of the act — and there are many — have questioned the language of the specific section, as it could be written to allow the president to enforce the law to imprison anyone suspected of any crime that could be considered by the right person in office to be an act of terror. President Obama said that he would not abide by this rule, but despite a signing statement that his administration won’t act in that manner, it does not mean that the promise will be upheld.
ACLU Executive Director Anthony Romero called Obama’s approval of the legislation is "a blight on his legacy," insisting that “he will forever be known as the president who signed indefinite detention without charge or trial into law,” and the Council on American-Islamic Relations called the bill an “ill-conceived and un-American legislation” that will “forever be seen as a stain on our nation’s history — one that will ultimately be viewed with embarrassment and shame.” Additionally, this week RT reported that noted journalist Chris Hedges has filed a lawsuit against the White House over the legislation, questioning the legality of the authorization and calling it “a catastrophic blow to civil liberties.”
On Wednesday this week, however, Ron Paul spoke from Capitol Hill, not South Carolina where the rest of his Republican Party rivals were campaigning before the state’s primary scheduled for this weekend. While in Washington to vote against raising the debt ceiling, Congressman Ron Paul also used the opportunity to go after Obama for signing the NDAA and offered a proposal that, if passed, would strike Section 1031 off the Act.
The move makes Paul not just the first frontrunner in the race for the GOP nomination to speak out against the act, but the first congressman to openly offer a solution to the legislation since it was authorized into law.
Paul began his address on Wednesday by noting that the National Defense Authorization Act was “quietly signed into law by the president on New Year’s Day,” sarcastically saluting it by adding, “and what a way to usher in a New Year.”
“Section 1021 provides for the possibility of the US military acting as a kind of police force on US soil, apprehending terror suspects – including Americans — and whisking them off to an undisclosed location indefinitely,” said Paul.
“No right to attorney, no right to trial, no day in court.”
While GOP contender Mitt Romney said during a debate from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina last week that he would have also authorized such legislation, Congressman Paul went over his time limit on stage in urging Americans to pay attention to the dangerous provisions included in the Act. In front of the debate crowd, Paul told the US not to lose faith in the country’s judicial system. From Washington only a week later, Congressman Paul asked his peers to think about America’s past once more, asking, “Have we not tried in civilian court and won convictions of hundreds of individuals for terrorist or related activities?” He added to his fellow legislature that this transformation away from a country founded on the ideals of the Constitution would soon lead America on the road to a place no one would wish it goes.
“This is precisely the kind of egregious distortion of justice that Americans have always ridiculed in so many dictatorships overseas,” said Paul, comparing it to the gulag system of the Soviet Union.
“Is this really the kind of United States we want to create in the name of fighting terrorism?” asked the congressman from Texas.
While Hedges attacked Obama in drafting his explanation of the lawsuit, Paul spoke from the Capitol that his own peers in Congress are just as responsible for crafting the NDAA and corrupting others lawmakers into signing it, even as they themselves openly acknowledged the dangers of the act.
“Sadly, too many of my colleagues are too willing to undermine our Constitution to support such outrageous legislation,” said Paul. “One senator even said about American citizens picked up under this section of the NDAA, ‘When they say, “I want my lawyer,” you tell them, “Shut up. You don't get a lawyer.”’ Is this acceptable in someone one who has taken an oath to uphold the Constitution?” he asked. The congressman in question was Senator Lindsay Graham, who did indeed have such vile words in encouraging others to sign the Act. “For those American citizens thinking about helping al-Qaeda, please know what will come your way: death; detention; prosecution,” explained Senator Graham while the Act was originally up for discussion.
Sadly, prosecution could very well be the last step in an instance where an American is imprisoned under the NDAA. In Section 1031, citizens can indeed be held indefinitely, and as we’ve learned with the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, that term of detainment could easily extend a decade, if not longer, without a trial ever being ordered. Over 170 prisoners are still held at Gitmo, including some that have been there without charge since the US began installing suspected war criminals there more than ten years ago. Under Section 1031, your neighbor, uncle or yourself could be the next person to don an orange jumpsuit and Ron Paul recognized how detrimental this is to American liberty.
In his closing remarks Wednesday, Paul explained that he was without a doubt opposed to acts of terrorism. “I recognize how critical it is that we identify and apprehend those who are suspected of plotting attacks against Americans. But why do we have so little faith in our justice system?” he asked.
Paul added that he wished to continue going after terrorists, but said, “let us not abandon what is so unique and special about our system of government in the process.”
“I hope my colleagues will join my effort to overturn the shameful Section 1021,” concluded the congressman.
http://rt.com/usa/news/ron-paul-ndaa-detention-209/
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Saladin
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Honestly, this is the best of both worlds for me.
If Paul actually manages to get this through the House and Senate and Obama doesn't veto it, he will essentially have made himself irrelevant since his stance on our security state is just about the only thing I agree with him on.
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Saladin
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Radical_Centrist
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For those who would like to learn more about the Constitution I would highly recommend this Video series. I do not always agree with Dr. Paul, but I have MUCH more respect for a Man who does something I disagree with because the Constitution tells him to do it as opposed to because he is being bribed to do so with "MY" tax $$$.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4944712480955285875
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More Paulista paranoia from the fringe. Never miss an oppotunity to prop up your
cult leader and bash Obama. Funny, you guys call him a fascist,capitalist torturing pig and the right calls him a totalitarian, commie,terrorist sympathizer. He must be doing something right to piss off the 2 extremes. LOL. - 4 months ago
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Saladin
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joeredford:
And not a single mention of the NDAA.
Way to stay on topic.
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Saladin
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Saladin:
He made a signing statement preventing the appication of this to American citizens. If he sent it back to Congress he didn't have the votes to overide a veto. More facts to get in the way of your unrenting Obama Derangement Syndrome.
Hate me all you want Saladin. As Franklin Roosevelt said about his enemies, " Never before in all our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. They are unanimous in their hatred for me--- and I welcome their hatred." - 4 months ago
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joeredford:
Ohhh, you did not just compare this weak sauce center-right wannabe to FDR. Take that back.
Your apologetics are pathetic. What, he couldn't do it so he didn't even try? He even openly came out and said that it wasn't strict enough, that he didn't like that the military could make the decision without the President being in strict control.
Face it, Obama gave up on his campaign promise to bring justice back. His foreign policy is not substantively different from Bush's.
I don't hate you, I'm just annoyed by either how gullible you are or how much of a mercenary you are.
This is kind of half of the reason I elected this guy. It's a little fucking important to have habeas corpus, yeah?
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Saladin:
I'm sick of your name calling and insults you wannabe revolutionary, also your ludicrous, inflammatory rhetoric which you use to impress your fellow radicals, but only seems pretentiously pseudo-intellectual to others; especially to me, one who uses words to make a living.
Here is a fact for you leftist boy: FDR incracerated totally innocent Japanese Americans in internment camps. BHO has never done anything even approximating the outrage that that should engender in any lover of democracy.
Now, please take your unsubstantiated accusations and your unfounded and ill thought out opinions and shove them where the sun don't shine and the moon don't glow. Leave them in that incubator untill they are fully hatched, and then maybe one day they might be worth sharing in an adult, civilized conversation. - 4 months ago
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Radical_Centrist
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joeredford:
Basically what the signing statement says is "My administration will not approve the indefinite detention of American Citizens." TRUST ME! Unless they are American born Citizens like anwar al-awlaki then we will just murder them in cold blood.
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joeredford:
FDR incracerated totally innocent Japanese Americans in internment camps. BHO has never done anything even approximating the outrage that that should engender in any lover of democracy. You are joking right? I think I would rather be interned than MURDERED especially based on evidence from the same people who were "SURE" Saddam Hussein had WMD's.
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joeredford:
Hello pot... this is the kettle... Your black!
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Radical_Centrist:
Paranoid assumptions nor hypothetical suppositions on the part of radical left wing extremists do not equal the ACTUAL detention of thousands of Americans during WWII, whose homes, businesses and families were torn away from them. Apparently the REAL crimes of presidents in history are of less concern to you than imaginary crimes that have never occurred. Your derangement syndrome and all consuming hatred colors everything you say. As I have told you before, you and I have nothing to say to one another and any and all messages from you will be deleted without reading, or with further response. Please don't let reality hit you in the ass on the way out.
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Radical_Centrist:
I don't give a flying shit about the right's of terrorists, domestic or foreign, when they have sworn to kill me at every opportunity presented to them. Al-awlakli gave up his citizenship when he committed treason against his own people and joined the effort to assassinate anyone he chose. You want muderous bastards running around free to murder your children, fine. I'm glad Obama put an end to his reign of terror so that my child living in NYC
cannot be slaughtered on a whim. Do I care what you think about that? Absolutely not. - 4 months ago
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AmericanStandard:
You may kiss the kettle bottom and lick it's spout.
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joeredford:
Your next door neighbor who does not like you can report you as connected to terrorist organizations. How will you defend yourself?
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joeredford:
You are a complete IDIOT if you believe the President “should” have the authority to order the assassination of a US citizen without first affording him any form of judicial process whatsoever, based on the mere assertion that he is a dangerous member of a terrorist organization.
Yes, Anwar al-Awlaki was a radical Muslim cleric. Yes, his language and speeches were incendiary. He may even have engaged in plots against the United States – but we do not know that for sure because he was never indicted for a crime.
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MotherForTruth:
Since that is an unprovable accusation, I have nothing to worry about, not a damned thing. My house can be searched top to bottom, they may seize my harddrive and they will find nothing. I have nothing to hide.
And since I live on a 25 acre farm , with my closest neighbors being the dead of the local cemetary, I really don't think I need worry about them snitching on my behavior.
The police can show up at my front door tomorrow, without any authorization of the NDAA, and accuse me of murder, but since they can't prove it ,I'm not going to become paranoid about the possibilty unless I have indeed committed murder. I have enough to worry about without concerning myself with needless fantasies about a government gone mad and it's harrasing innocent civilians.
Shush, keep this quiet, just between you and me, the video tapes of me torturing and snuffing out the lives of right wing conservatards are on my external harddrive, and they will never find it. Shush. - 4 months ago
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Radical_Centrist:
Well, this IDIOT does not believe that a man of Obama's character would order the assassination of any citizen without OVERWHELMING evidence that they were an extreme threat to the American people or an extroadinary danger to the security of the country. These types of actions have been done surreptitiously throughout our history. I wish it had been done in 1939 and thereby saved the lives of 6 million innocent Jews, gays and Poles.
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joeredford:
Yes, you really do not know what you are talking about.
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MotherForTruth:
Typical mommiefortruth tactic, can't answer the argument, sling insults. That's okay, mommie, hang on tightly to your misstatements and paranoid fantasies of being run off to a concentration camp. Hmmmm? What are you hiding anyway?
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joeredford:
Have a good life.
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MotherForTruth:
I always have and I will continue to do so, that is when I'm not busy beating paranoid conspiracy theorists away with a stick.
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joeredford:
These are not theories but facts. It is surely your choice to stick your had in a sand.
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MotherForTruth:
Your prejudiced interpretation of facts are your interpretation , not reality , except in your paranoid mind. Your head 's not in the sand , it's in the clouds.
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joeredford:
Call me crazy, but I need a little more proof than the Government said it is true before I sanction the killing of an American citizen. I mean they have such a stellar track record at intelligence gathering. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KiRAMvAlpQ&feature=player_embedded
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Radical_Centrist:
My daughter rests more safely and securely in her co-op 3 blocks away from the World Trade Center( a co-op that needed to be gutted after the last attack) because of the actions of this President, and I applaud him for keeping her safe so she can go to work every day as an attorney for the Poverty Law Center without being savagely murdered.
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I think it would be good for Ron Paul to get on the national ballot somehow, either as the GOP nominee (doubtful) or as a third party/independent. He probably wouldn't win, but his presence would direct the debate towards issues that are in dire need of addressing, such as the indefinite detention of Americans and our ridiculously bellicose foreign policy.
That having been said, I could never bring myself to vote for him because I think his positions on economic policy and civil rights just plain stink.
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Paul supporters ask why I remind them of the deeply flawed and morally reprehensible history of Ron Paul. And I can only say, I do it because I care.
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this thread has turned into a Ron Paul circle jerk
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unimatrix0:
It appears that you have an issue with this article, but your comments on this tread are not addressing any issues. You are simply expressing mad anger. Why are you attracted to this post?
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unimatrix0:
Just curious, who are you voting for? Also, Can you back up your choice with conjecture and memes as well? How about facts? No? Oh ok just checking
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unimatrix0:
Why are you always so negative? Dr. Paul could drag your sorry behind from a burning building and you would have a complaint about the technique he used!
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MotherForTruth:
I HONESTLY think she has issues period!
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Radical_Centrist:
SHe would call him a racist because he saved her before a black man, A misogynist because he accidentally touched he boob, and a bible thumper for thanking god for giving him the strength to do so.
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unimatrix0:
I agree. Save the circle-jerks for the Santorum threads, please!
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ThirdSection:
Well said! And they could at least have the decency to give fair warning and put down some plastic sheets before making their mess. I feel dirty just being here.
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unimatrix0:
Lol, stealin my circle jerk name-calling... Not only can you not make your own arguments, you can't make your own memes or insults.
Thanks for the flattery.
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AmericanStandard:
Too funny!
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Buddha2112:
yea right, you came up with the term "circle jerk." uh huh, and Ron Paul will be our next president!
lulz
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ThirdSection:
Oh gosh, there's so much circle jerkin on this site it's pretty apparent everyone just wants a tug every now and then... Whatever floats your boat, it's fun to criticize en masse...
However this thread is about the issue at hand (PUN!) which is the NDAA.
The only jerkin around here is Unimatrix bullshit posts and unsubstantiated claims.
Yea, Paul's a loser for being one of the only ones to stand up against the ridiculous expansion of power in the act.
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Radical_Centrist:
remember the quote
if you put yourself in a burning building You need to get your ass out but don't expect the fire department to come to your aid without first paying for it - 4 months ago
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unimatrix0:
Keep telling the truth about Paul, unimatrix0. The Paulbots will never listen but the sane people will.
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cmc101:
Their stubborness will always be an impediment to reason. Just let their asses burn.
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joeredford:
What truth is that? The TRUTH she NEEDS to be telling is that Congressman’s Paul & Kucinich along with Senators Sanders & Franken are about the ONLY thing standing between the American People and a potential Gulag! She hates Dr. Paul so much she is to STUPID to realize she is working agonist her own self interest!
When you look at things like The Patriot Act, NDAA, SOPA, PIPA and a whole host of other Liberty stealing pieces of legislation Dr. Paul is one of the “few” CONSTANT voices of opposition. She comes off as a little crazy with all of these non-sense pics she posts on EVERY Paul thread.
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Radical_Centrist:
So well said, Radical_Centrist. It is funny when people oppose their own interest.
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joeredford:
you can also include denial like frogs in hot water
they have a problem they breed - 4 months ago
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cmc101:
I assume you are trying to mate a point, but I do not know what it is.
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Radical_Centrist:
Extreme ,radical, leftist, paranoid hogwash. Get some perspective.
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cmc101:
I'm going to turn the heat up. I love frog's legs sauteed in a little butter with some chopped garlic---and a nice cianti.
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joeredford:
GO for it
I love fresh fried jumping frogs legs - 4 months ago
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joeredford:
Thats me an extreme "Left"-winger. ROFLOL
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Radical_Centrist:
Paranoid ramblings about "Gulags" sure as hell don't make you a centrist. Call yourself whatever you like, those were only the nice words that came to mind.
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That says a lot about him. Thank you Ron Paul. And please spare me the "racist" by association theme, if so you can also mention the 20 years association that president Obama had with Jeremy Wright, his pastor, anti-american and anti-white, and Obama defended him by saying that Wright was like the "crazy uncle" that every family has.
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bizet3754:
It sure does. Personally, personal liberties and ending all wars are very important to me.
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Finally an American politician that stands up for America
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Thank you Dr. Paul.
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Paul is no hero - he is just grandstanding. Paul wants to destroy the federal gov any way he can.
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unimatrix0:
Actually he CONSTANTLY mentions that(about liberties being controlled at the state level). There are pros and cons to that.
There is no evidence that he wants to "destroy" the federal government. He constantly says he wants to scale it back. - 4 months ago
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unimatrix0:
Well thats why states vote in politicians that contour to that states beliefs or economics . Let the states decide whats best for its own communities and populations.
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unimatrix0:
It is not necessarily a bad thing. States should have more power.
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Each family has it's own choices as long as their choices, and should absolutely have their decision power as long as it does not harm their neighbors. The same here, each state should have rights to decide what is in their best interest.
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unimatrix0:
Some day Unimatrix will actually post a link or a fact about Ron Paul instead of memes and name calling. Some day. I still have hope for you unimatrix.
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sure, let the South bring back Jim Crow laws - "states rights" is just code for racists
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notrepublican:
It is not about what he wants, it is about what the Constitution says. The Constitution is "very" clear, Our Constitution created a federal government with only enumerated powers. All powers not listed were reserved to the states and people. unimatrix either has never read the Constitution or she does not comprehend what she has read!
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unimatrix0:
You REALLY are a silly person! How many Minorities do you know in 2012 who would sit in the back of anyplace?
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unimatrix0:
Don't oversimplify the idea of states rights. The principle is also often invoked by people who want to legalize pot.
Also, if you read the Constitution, the states are specifically enumerated with several rights, none of which is to hold slaves or to deny people the right to vote due to their race.
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notrepublican:
how small is that scale?
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dooder:
so we have 12 countries because of those who have and the rest stay the hell out of state
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unimatrix0:
I will vote your statement up
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Radical_Centrist:
I will reply to that
school children that live on the other side of town
people that work three jobs and still need food stamps
grand parent that have to eat dog food in order to by his wife's medicine - 4 months ago
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cmc101:
unimatrix0 is a silly person, so the question was a bit facetious. There is no State in the Union that would even try to reinstate Jim Crowe for MANY reasons.
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Radical_Centrist:
and we have some of our great states trying to get away from federal government so they can support the Corporate personhood
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Some take a day off to do this, and some take a day off to play golf.
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Truthitswhatsfordinner:
I want a president who puts his citizen's needs before his.
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MotherForTruth:
I do as well.
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Good on Mr Paul!
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Nobody is perfect, but I really agree with him on a few things, and this would certainly be one of them.
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Now, this, we can agree on Mr. Paul. Respect.
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Here is the video
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misfit20:
Thank you for the video. NDAA was "quietly signed by president on New Year's day". Dr. Paul speaks for me on Capitol Hill.
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Don't agree with him on many things, but I do agree on this.
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JanforGore:
What about SOPA, PIPA, WIkileaks, and sound money?
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AmericanStandard:
True, Ron Paul stands on my side here.
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Overturn the bipartisan NDAA, now!
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Truthitswhatsfordinner
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MotherForTruth
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Truthitswhatsfordinner:
I second that!
- 4 months ago
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MotherForTruth
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maasanova
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Why do I have to go to the Russian and Iranian media outlets to get news about issues regarding American liberty?
The only other mainstream media outlet that is even covering this is HuffPost.
- 4 months ago
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maasanova
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misfit20
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maasanova:
good point, its true
- 4 months ago
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misfit20
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JohnA
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maasanova:
The American media doesn't report on Ron Paul.
- 4 months ago
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JohnA
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maasanova
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JohnA:
It's like some bizarre outsourcing or something!
- 4 months ago
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maasanova
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dooder
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maasanova:
Amen
- 4 months ago
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dooder
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MotherForTruth
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maasanova:
It seems that American main stream media does not have a clue what you and I want to know.
- 4 months ago
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MotherForTruth
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misfit20
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At least someone has the guts to try to stop this.
- 4 months ago
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misfit20
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MotherForTruth
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misfit20:
Americans are so slow in recognizing real benefits.
- 4 months ago
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MotherForTruth
