Another New Pearl Harbor? U.S. to send old warship to Persian Gulf
source: http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/01/24/more-americans-to-die-for-nasty-israels-false-f...
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With the collapse of the oil embargo to force Iran into a confrontation over the Straight of Hormuz, the US and Israel are looking for another way to get the long-sought war with Iran started, and more to the point, need to make it look like Iran is starting hostilities in order to make it politically more difficult for Russia and China to support Iran.
Now, recall that Israel has a past history of attacking US warships and framing others to trick the US into attacks on Israel’s enemies, with the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty (initially blamed on Egypt) as the most well-known example.
So here we have the USS Enterprise, the oldest carrier in the fleet, on her last legs, scheduled to be decommissioned next year. Her name is well known, in part because of the Star Trek TV series. Decommissioning a nuclear aircraft carrier is a very expensive process. USS Enterprise is powered by 8 nuclear reactors, all of which must be disposed of as nuclear waste material along with all the associated machinery. The US Navy would save a great deal of money, more than the scrap worth of the steel, if USS Enterprise were to be sunk in the Persian Gulf, where the radioactive mess is someone else’s problem to deal with.
So, why send an ancient ship at the end of her useful life into harms way? The same reason Franklin Roosevelt moved a bunch of obsolete warships from San Diego to Pearl Harbor, while the newer carriers and warships were well away from Hawaii on December 7th, 1941.
Israel has 3 Dolphin submarines, given to her by Germany. They have been seen transiting the Suez Canal in the past, and could well be operating in the Gulf of Oman, even the Persian Gulf by now, lying in wait for a used-up and obsolete warship, more useful as a sacrificial lamb than an actual weapon, a ship with American sailors, to be attacked as Israel attacked the USS Liberty, then to be blamed on the designated target, Iran, by a compliant media.
Did I miss anything?
WWII began when the US cut off Japan’s supply of oil, leading to their attack on Pearl Harbor. And you missed the fact that the World Trade Centers were scheduled to be demolished because of asbestos used in construction, but it was purchased by a Zionist with one of the Bush brothers involved, and then insured for billions right before 9-11 happened.
Coincidence? Or a false-flag event? Remember, a third WTC building was also demolished into its own footprint like the other two on the same day. These neocon/Zionist traitors got away with it. Beware of their plots and ploys now. Expose their treasonous treachery, because, as with 9-11, the mainstream media is running cover for the corporatocracy that profits from war.
The best defense against the Big Lie is the Whole Truth. God help us!
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circlesquared
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subterfuge for the truth which we will have to search hard for after it happens. Regardless of validity it is time we stop letting the governments dictate the will of the people...they are self serving and unnecessary.
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circlesquared
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Vierotchka
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Meanwhile...
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Vierotchka
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Dagum
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Vierotchka:
That's it. The U.S. is going to war with Iran. Once a Country starts dealing in Gold, it's a threat to the western International monetary system, which is the (now) semi hegemony of the Paper dollar. Action wasn't taken against Gaddafi until he moved to institute a pan African Gold Dinar. He was the west's "friend" before that.
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Dagum
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corderodedios
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Could we get a link or reference on the statement that the WTCs were scheduled for demolition because of asbestos?
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corderodedios
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The_Wanderer_Kansas
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corderodedios:
Agreed, I so don't doubt the possibility but it is one piece of information I hadn't seen yet.
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The_Wanderer_Kansas
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maasanova
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corderodedios:
I can't verify if the Twin Towers were "scheduled for demolition" due to asbestos clean up, but there exists some research which suggests that some contract work was done to analyze and determine a solution to the issue of asbestos in the buidlings.
This is the best that I could come up with:
http://911blogger.com/news/2009-08-19/port-authority-nynj-wtc-tower-asbestos-aba...
"The following are Port Authority of New York and New Jersey records released on August 4, 2009 regarding contracts for abatement of asbestos containing thermal protection upon the structural steel of World Trade Center (WTC) Towers One and Two, for the years 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999 and 2000.
This work was cited within the December 16, 2000 Merritt and Harris Inc. WTC property assessment entitled "Due Diligence Physical Condition Survey - World Trade Center", including such work upon the supporting steel core columns within WTC One and Two."
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maasanova
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Vierotchka
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corderodedios:
http://mileswmathis.com/wtc.html perhaps?
Excerpt:
Maintenance documents from the period 1980-2000 indicate that the asbestos fireproofing on the pipes had never been removed, although federal law required the removal of all asbestos from buildings during that period. Larry Silverstein indicated to FEMA that he had hired a firm to remove the asbestos, and that they were scheduled to do so in November of 2001. But at the time of the collapse, no work had begun on that.
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Vierotchka
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The_Wanderer_Kansas
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Vierotchka:
Thanks maas and Vierotchka, those are both interesting links. There is no direct evidence of imminent demolition, but the pieces fit for the theory.
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The_Wanderer_Kansas
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warman1138
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Wait and see, news at eleven.
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nikonwilly
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Fit's perfect for a false flag operation.
The one problem they have...many are on to their schemes now and it's going to be very hard to convince this time around, but they want this war so who knows what they'll stoop to. - 4 months ago
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WagonMaster
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Frankly, if you think about it , too much credit is given to those who supposedly think up these scenarios. I don't think they have the brain power to think up a full scaled conspiracy to which we classify as a theory. Not that many smart people in government. I think chaos doesn't conspire...too hard to think up.
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WagonMaster
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maasanova
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WagonMaster:
"Not that many smart people in government. I think chaos doesn't conspire...too hard to think up."
I disagree. All you have to do is read a few government policy white papers written by members of academia, unelected government officials and officials from "thinktanks." I'm not talking about telepromter readers like Bush or Obama or your average congressperson.
They sit around and dream up these plots all of the time and many of them miraculously seem to seem to happen. One of these white papers that miraculously just happened, "Catastrophic Terrorism: Imagining the Transformative," was written by Harvard lecturer and chief executive of the 9/11 Commission, Philip Zelikow.
http://www.archive.org/details/PhilipZelikow-CatashropohicTerrorismImaginingTheT...
And just for the record, here are just a few propaganda schemes that have been previously used to justify a war between Iran and US/Israeli/Britian, so I don't see this scenario as too far fetched and out of the question:
The "wipe Israel off The map" hoax (the hoax that started it all)
Mischievous 'Filipino Monkey' could have triggered latest US-Iran row
Dick Cheney considered proposal to dress up Navy Seals as Iranians and shoot at them
2007 Iranian seizure of Royal Navy personnel
Viral Internet video of Iranian poster Nedea
Iranian 'Twitter Revolution' 2009
Iran blamed for the 9-11 terror bombing (Iran as well as the entire Muslim world were being blamed before the 19 highjackers were even named)
Iranian laptop with alleged nuclear data stolen in Tehran
Alleged Iranian nuclear defector reminisent of "Curveball" and Iraq WMD
Hare-brained used-car salesman as Iran assassination plot doesn't add up for experts
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maasanova
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maasanova:
Your absolutely right, it's hardly ever the government that we see that does these things, its those hidden in the box, behind the curtain, or under the table that think up or push for the implimentation of these sorts of things. There is a long standing tradition among the powerful that it's better to be the Beta then to be the Alpha... The Alpha takes all of the risks and gets all of the recognition, but the Beta gets to share in every other benefit of the Alphas possition. The smartest men in government either leave when they see the truth or stand at the coat tails of someone they can pass any blame off on... Why didn't Cheney make a run for president? Because he knew it's better to be a Beta.
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The_Wanderer_Kansas
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Vierotchka
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WagonMaster:
Google "Project Northwoods".
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Vierotchka
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The_Wanderer_Kansas
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Vierotchka:
^'d for Project Northwoods reminder. Too many people overlook well established facts.
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The_Wanderer_Kansas
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corderodedios
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WagonMaster:
Also read some of the publications of the now-renamed Project for the New American Century.
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corderodedios
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The_Wanderer_Kansas
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corderodedios:
Another great reminder! Thanks cord.
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The_Wanderer_Kansas
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The_Wanderer_Kansas
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Intriguing read, and as mentioned below the pieces do fit, but the question is wether that plot actually exists. Any war right now would not be supported by the populace of our country without some major loss of American life and a VERY clear view of culpability. But history does repeat itself quite regularly especially when there are those pushing for it to repeat.
A few simple facts to remember during your consideration.
*People have died for financial gains of others.
*People have died for political gains of others.
*People have died for ideological gains of others.
*People have died to distract the masses from facts.
*People have died to push zealotry of the masses.Wars have been engineered for all of the above reasons and when there is an obvious potential to combine ALL of these reasons we need to keep our wits about us.
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The_Wanderer_Kansas
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IraqiBALB0A:
You 'could' be correct. And I hope you are.
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IraqiBALB0A:
Do you have a crystal ball app on your iphone or what?
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circlesquared
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who is paying the insurance policy?
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circlesquared
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remanns
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I don't buy it, but it was a fun read.
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maasanova
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remanns:
This is a genuine conspiracy theory I admit, but just rememeber history repeats!
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maasanova
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maasanova:
That is what makes it interesting ! ( its one of those " all THESE pieces fit together, but whole the puzzle wont necessarily really assemble this way " sorts of things ; GREAT Tom Clancy plot ! . . . .and who knows . . .I just don't quite . . . .yet )
p.s. +^d
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remanns
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Hoofin
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I am disappointed to see that a Big Lie is repeated on Current. Franklin Roosevelt did not purposely leave older naval equipment at Pearl Harbor.
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Hoofin
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maasanova
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Hoofin:
It was just a coincidence then
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maasanova
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Hoofin
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maasanova:
The Big Lie doesn't explain why we didn't have much of a Navy between the time of Pearl Harbor (December 7, 1941) and Midway (June 4, 1942). It discounts the fact that our success at Midway was due to better strategy than what Yamamoto had---not because of overwhelming naval superiority.
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Hoofin
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Hoofin:
But he did hastily move the aircraft carriers far from Pearl Harbor shortly before the attack which even ordinary Hawaiians knew was coming as it was published in two Hawaiian papers a few days before it occurred, and the papers stated that it would occur the following weekend.
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Vierotchka
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Hoofin
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Vierotchka:
This is totally unsupported. It's a conspiracy theory.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/pearlharbor.asp The carriers were out on missions.
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Hoofin
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Hoofin:
Your link in no way contradicts what I wrote. Hawaiian newspaper from November 30, 1941.
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Vierotchka
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Hoofin:
Another Hawaiian newspaper clipping from November 30, 1941.
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Vierotchka
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maasanova
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Vierotchka:
Yeah I was going to mention the fact that Hoofin "Snopes" link had nothing to do with the coversation.
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maasanova
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The_Wanderer_Kansas
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Hoofin:
Totally unsupported?! What stone have you stuffed your head under?! There are paper headlines (multiple), recorded radio transmissions, and intelligence reports that all share the common thread of knowledge of a Japanese fleet heading east.
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The_Wanderer_Kansas
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Hoofin
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The_Wanderer_Kansas:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_conspiracy_theo
It's a conspiracy theory. The ground has already been tread long ago. The Snopes story is not directly to the carrier fleet, but it mentions where the carrier fleet was, and why.
Respond to the Wiki, not me. I'm not going to waste time with this. - 4 months ago
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Hoofin
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The_Wanderer_Kansas
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Hoofin:
Are you joking me?! Wiki-evidence is not evidence pal... you know that students are failing classes for using information they got from Wiki? Please try again.
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The_Wanderer_Kansas
