Now Mitt Romney claims he actually pays a 50% tax rate
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RAMOS: You just released your tax returns. In 2010 you only paid 13 percent of taxes while most Americans paid much more than that. Is that fair?
ROMNEY: Well, actually, I released two years of taxes and I think the average is almost 15 percent. And then also, on top of that, I gave another more 15 percent to charity. When you add it together with all of the taxes and the charity, partiularly in the last year, I think it reaches almost 40 percent that I gave back to the community. One of the reasons why we have a lower tax rate on capital gains is because capital gains are also being taxed at the corporate level. So as businesses earn profits, that’s taxed at 35 percent, then as they distribute those profits as dividends, that’s taxed at 15 percent more. So, all total, the tax rate is really closer to 45 or 50 percent.
RAMOS: But is it fair what you pay, 13 percent, while most pay much more than that?
ROMNEY: Well, again, I go back to the point that the, that the funds are being taxed twice at two different levels.
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Romney's really claiming two things here.
First, he's saying that he gives 40 percent of his income "to the community" in the form of taxes and charitable deductions. (I'm not sure how he gets to 40 percent, given that he says he's adding 15 percent and 15 percent, however. And given that two-thirds of his charitable donations go to the Mormon Church that bankrolled Proposition 8, you can question how much the community benefited, but I digress.)
Second, he's saying that thanks to the nominal corporate tax rate of 35 percent, he's actually paying 50 percent in taxes when you add in his 15 percent. Now, if he really believed that he was paying 50 percent in taxes, he wouldn't have said he gives back 40 percent to the community—he'd have said he gives back 75 percent. But he doesn't really believe what he's saying ... because it is patently absurd.
Paul Krugman has an excellent dismantling of the case Romney is trying to make regarding corporate taxes. First, because most of Romney's capital gains income comes by way of carried interest, it was never previously taxed at 35 percent. Second, almost no companies actually pay the nominal corporate tax rate. Third, even if it were fair to say that the income had previously been taxed at 35 percent rate, conservatives have long argued that corporate taxes come at the expense of worker's wages. Now, suddenly, they are saying it comes at the expensive of investors? Talk about double-counting!
The bottom-line: No matter how you slice it, Mitt Romney is full of baloney on this.
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Paratus
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"The bottom-line: No matter how you slice it, Mitt Romney is full of baloney on this. "
This is also applicable to those who rant about Romney not paying enough income tax due to his paying Cap gains tax. There is a lot of stuff penned by folk who know nothing about this but are suddenly lionized by those signing on the the awfulness of him "not paying his fair share".
We can spin any way we wish about how much he pay or does not pay. Unlike Charlie Rangle and our good Sec. of Treasuryhe does seem to be paying taxes per the tax law. Seems to me that is more important than the envious trying to separate him from more of his money under the guise of "fairness". - 4 months ago
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bike10
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Less 45%.
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bike10
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nicey
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If elected he will work on the main concerns of the 1% - WealthCare.
They have no shame and will never stop grabbing all they can. - 4 months ago
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nicey
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DEM46
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Interesting: Charity=Mormon church which demands 15% tithing. Not an option or charitable giving as far as I'm concerned. I would love to give a portion of my taxes to my designated charities that I already give to. These happen to be non-religious but more important to me than any "god" issue.
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DEM46
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WakeUpPeople
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Related, and quite interesting...
"Romney tax returns shine light on Mormon tithing - (LDS requirement)"
http://current.com/community/93635181_romney-tax-returns-shine-light-on-mormon-t... - 4 months ago
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WakeUpPeople
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AreOh
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He is flat out lying. Ha, he's just saying whatever he can to win.
Only a person severely lacking in judgement would remotely pay attention to this clown.
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AreOh
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tverdell
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How is paying taxes giving back to the community?
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tverdell
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cmc101
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tverdell:
hell of a lot more than a walmart
our jobs are in China - 4 months ago
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cmc101
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noxidereus
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I can understand that there is a such thing as conservatives and that they have very different values from me, but I will never be able to wrap my mind around the sheer ridiculousness of the clown candidates they support. Can't they tell when they're being bullshitted? It is mind-boggling to think how stupid they must be. It doesn't seem like it should be possible that people are this stupid. It is so depressing!
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noxidereus
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bike10
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We just that new GOP math it will be required in all public schools.
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bike10
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cmc101
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bike10:
privatize school will teach you better if you earn enough money to pay for it
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cmc101
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northernexpat
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He also thinks he is one of the 99er too. What an out of touch liar he is.
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northernexpat
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warman1138
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Did somebody put something in what he's drinking? Magic shroom juice maybe?
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warman1138
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mybologna
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warman1138:
I wish he had shared some with me.
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mybologna
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cmc101
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warman1138:
that would be such a waste
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cmc101
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CreditFigaro
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If anyone thinks for a second that the bullshit train will be accepted by a population that contains republicans AND democrats, they are sorely mistaken.
The 99% haven't gone anywhere.
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CreditFigaro
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CreditFigaro
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MMMMMBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLSHEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!
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CreditFigaro
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Leen61
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I love how this asshole never answers the original question. Romney has NEVER paid a 50% tax rate. For him to claim that this is money that has been taxed twice, is a crock! These are new earnings, not previously taxed.
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Leen61
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Johnny_Los_Angeles
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Now he's just making shit up.
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Johnny_Los_Angeles
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bailey78
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Speaks for it's self.
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bailey78
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northernexpat
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bailey78:
ROFLAO. Now that is not only funny but true.
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northernexpat
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jim_b
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And their only alternative is Gingrich who all but invented the hateful politics we now live through and mostly hates infidelity unless his personal penis is moistened in the act.
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jim_b
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chew_chew
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After watching Mr Romney speak in this video, all I can think is: my goodness, what a bunch of psychobabble.
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chew_chew
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chew_chew:
He certainly knows how to double talk. But I don't think people aren't falling for it.
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northernexpat
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nanac
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Mitt Romney has no problem lying, he is a typical Teabagger/Republican politician. The truth is unknown to them, their entire campaigns are based on lies.
I know that Mitt Romney claims the Mormon religion, and I often wonder if lying is a requirement for the devout of their religion.
If it wasn't for race-baiting/ hate-mongering/lying, and the politics of division, these politicians wouldn't have a platform to run on. - 4 months ago
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nanac
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letsliveinpeace
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This man is the biggest liar, his failure to exhibit the characteristics of a forthright person, and he's running for president of the US. He is so out of touch he just might as well be an alien from another planet with no concept of our civilization or language.
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letsliveinpeace
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northernexpat
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letsliveinpeace:
I agree and it's not just him. I asked my sister yesterday "When you look at all the GOP candidates and compare them to Obama, who do want as President?' She said hands down Obama. None of the others compare to him in integrity and understanding what the 99er are feeling, plus he is trying his damndest to turn the country around almost single-handily because he's not getting any help from Congress. She also told me that it baffles her how the MSM covers every little tea-bag protest, but there are more people protesting in Occupy Rallies and they receive minimum coverage. It seems that the MSM is trying influence people in thinking that the tea party is a lot bigger then it really is and is refusing to recognize the Occupiers. I think the GOP and the MSM are in for a rude wakening.
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northernexpat
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letsliveinpeace
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northernexpat:
I agree with your sister and you, the tea party is just a figment of their imagination.
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letsliveinpeace