Will Progressives and Libertarians Abandon Major Parties?

Libertarians have really mobilized for ron paul its more likely that libertarians would form a new party than progressives, progressives had the opportunity with the occupy movement and outright refused to mobilize in ways necessary to effect change within the system itself, despite having the support and ability to raise the capital for the effort. Progressives are really idealistic at the moment and it is handicapping them from being practical and using methods that have worked, rather than using methods they would like to see work.

Obamney or Romama?

We've been going through this "Crap" since the beginning of this country.

PIck the Reich and go with the Republic Syndicate Units:

Pick the 99% and go with the party that isn't a party and Vote Democratic.

Any other choice plays into the hands of the Reich.

Check the vote totals of what Nader-fish-brain did to our country in 2000.

{just as an aside, massanova roughly translates into "New Master."}

I woke up one Wednesday morning in November of 2000 and found out my vote didn't mean a thing. November 2012 I will cast a vote for President. and it will be for who I think is the best choice, not for some media approved lessor of two evils that has no experience and no qualifications just because he has a pretty face and talks nice.

We desparately need a Constitutional Amendment to eliminate mid-term elections!
A President wastes most of his/her term campaigning.

I'm a progressive. My answer is no.

I hope so or we are doomed.

Why do we go through this every election season is both parties refuse to address concerns from their most staunch voters. On the left you have liberals and progressives, and on the right you have religious conservatives, libertarians, and now the tea party. Both parties tell these group all the good things they want to hear and never intent to fulfill theses promises. President Obama has just decided to ignore progressives and pander to the independent vote gambling they will vote for him rather than vote for a republican. On the right, it has gone differently for mainstream republicans as they used the tea party to win back the house but they never counted on them revolting against the party and demanding the rest follow their lead. The republican party was taken over by far right teavangelists who ran on small government but pushed for social and evangelical issues along with union busting and attacking workers rights. The republican party lost control and all mainstream republicans feared being primaried by the tea party if they didn't do their bidding. Now we have the republicans orchestrating their version of the night of the long knives as they attacked Newt from every direction for fear another radical would get control of the country and cost them seats in Congress. They are facing a President who had an economy hurting and they refused to help fix it to ruin his re-election but the meager policy changes President Obama was able to get through has helped the economy and taken away their only real campaign attack against him. Mitt had so many flaws before the primary but he did poll well against the president until his many ill timed remarks, his far right policy changes, Bain Capital, his tax returns, failure to properly declare all income to the election commission which they are now amending, cayman island bank accounts, and now his Swiss bank accounts with the not so blind trusts will give President Obama a easier path to re-election.

As for Ron Paul fans, his racist/bigoted newsletters ruin any chance he will ever have of winning a presidential election not to mention the many crazy views he has even for a libertarian.

We need to repeal Citizens United and get the rest of corruption and influences out of our democracy so politicians will be free to vote for issues they believe in and not what any wealthy corporation pays for or expects. All lobbyist and influence peddlers banned from access to politicians in Washington and all contact with them kept. We need publically funded elections so good candidates who don't have alot of money can run. This will force our democracy and the candidates to return to the issues. Make them be required to address the issues at a set of debates without audiences to tip the scales in favor of one candidate over another. Every candidate gets to answer the question and not the perceived leaders. I am tired of watching two debaters go at each other as the others are merely window dressing. The primary system needs to be reset as the first round of primaries up to Florida usually decide who is chosen with certain values as we have seen this year. The primary order should be changed each cycle so every state gets their shot. Most of the time it is over after Florida and the rest are meaningless.

I'm registered Independent purposely for the (very small) hope that politicians will understand that Independents aren't already theirs, they have to work for us. As opposed to "the faithful" they assume they already have. I definitely want a repaired new system that allows for 3rd, 4th, 5th truly viable parties, but we don't have those today, the system doesn't allow for other then 2 viable parties. The rare exceptions are not proof, they're just rare exceptions.

If they had a lick of sense....

Idk, I could see several ideas working on how to make the country better, everything from serious socialism, to more fend for yourself libertarianism...

As it stands, and by voting for either major party (not including Ron Paul) we're going to end up with more socialism for the rich, and cut throat capitalism for the poor, and the ultra wealthy paying a fraction of what the average American does in taxes... With corporations paying almost no taxes, and lobbying the common man into suffering, and having to deal with effective monopolies... Idk not like Ron Paul has offered to fix the tax discrepancy, not that I've heard anyway, and he should...

I just want hemp deregulated, I feel it's of utmost importance to the environment, and future of of the world (full disclosure, yes I'd like to grow a few acres), I think Ron Paul could see that while others either haven't, or have chosen to ignore it... It's really not the marijuana issue either, the laws are currently wrong, but most people can acquire small quantities, and quietly consume with relative impunity...

So Idk, there is only 1 person offering change, that shouldn't kill us all, and it should be noted that there are things he disagrees with, things he'd like to change, that he isn't even going to mess with, 1 person with demonstrable integrity...

I mean Obama removed a youtube video from his forum about what the people think he needs to change deeming it "inappropriate"... I think waging war on people over a plant is inappropriate.... Funding both sides of a drug war making portions of Mexico the most deadly places on earth is inappropriate....

Heres my theory, these labels(liberal, conservative, progressive, libertarian, independant et cetera) are a detriment in and of themselves... when it comes to politics in this and anyother nation there should only be two labels VOTERS and CANDIDATES!

The dems and republicans should join together. Then we should have two new partys to vote for. Change. That's what we need.

CARPENTIER: "I think we're left with people downloading the ring tone of Obama singing Al Green and liking him personally, thinking that he has a great marriage and that he's not going to be as bad as voting for a Republican. I think essentially he's running a campaign of vote for me, what's your other option, which hasn't really worked that well with Democratic voters historically."

She's pretty much nailed it!