Bush beats Obama's deficit spending by 5 to 1, but Romney targets the wrong guy to whine about
source: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/02/1060866/-Bush-beats-Obamas-deficit-spending-by-5-to...
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From 2001 to 2009, Bush's policies, including two wars, higher Pentagon spending in addition to those wars, tax cuts, higher discretionary spending and the prescription drug program contributed $5.1 trillion to the nation's debt. From 2009 to 2017 (using projections for 2011-2017), Obama's policies have added or will add $983 billion. Not even in the same ballpark. Klein:
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There is a way to tally the effects Obama has had on the deficit. Look at every piece of legislation he has signed into law. Every time Congress passes a bill, either the Congressional Budget Office or the Joint Committee on Taxation estimates the effect it will have on the budget over the next 10 years. And then they continue to estimate changes to those bills. If you know how to read their numbers, you can come up with an estimate that zeros in on the laws Obama has had a hand in. [...]
So the center built a baseline that includes everything that predated Obama and everything we knew about the path of the economy and the actual trajectory of spending through August 2011. Deviations from the baseline represent decisions made by the Obama administration. Then we measured the projected cost of Obama’s policies.
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Here are the calculations:
For Bush: $1.812 trillion from the "Bush tax cuts"; $853 billion from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; $616 in higher Pentagon spending outside those wars; $608 billion in non-defense discretionary spending; $480 billion in "other tax"-related matters; $293 billion in entitlement changes; $224 billion in spending for Trouble Assets Relief Program (TARP) and the Housing and Economic Recovery Act; and $180 billion for the prescription drug bill.
For Obama: $874 billion for the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act (the stimulus package); $620 billion for the two-year extension of the Bush tax cuts; $324 in "other mandatory spending"; and $113 billion in "other revenue." Subtotal: $1.931 trillion. Subtracted from that are policies that reduce the net deficit: $502 billion in automatic spending cuts; $271 reduction in defense spending; $123 billion in reduced health care spending; $51 billion in reduced non-defense discretionary spending. Total: $983 billion.
There are all kinds of complications in this kind of calculation. It can be argued, for one thing, that we have a good handle, three years after Bush left office, on how big a debt pile his deficit spending ended up being. But, with Obama, we've only got three years of actual results and five years of "projection," which, in layperson's terms, amounts to "educated speculation."
Klein offers some other caveats, too. It is taken as a given by far too many in our national economic conversation, that "all deficit spending is equal and all of it is bad." That is completely wrong, and the austerity measures that the British government has imposed and the budget balancing of the Roosevelt administration in 1937 provide a perfect examples of why it's wrong: It can make economic downturns worse and cripple recoveries already under way.
In Keynesian terms, the better solution is to increase demand by stimulating the economy in recession, even if you have to borrow big do it. In good times, you pay off what you have borrowed and store up a surplus against the bad times. Modern Monetary Theorists challenge—from the left—the efficacy of the Keynesian approach in today's economy. But that's a long discussion for another time. What President Bush did pleased neither.
Eleven Februarys ago, in his first major speech to Congress, Bush vowed that the entire national debt would be paid off by ... well, by right now. Not quite what happened. Indeed, what did happen on Bush's watch is somewhat reminiscent of what took place under another fellow who made big talk about reducing the national debt: Ronald Reagan.
He came into office talking about how the not-quite-yet $1 trillion in national debt at the time would make a stack of $1,000 bills 67 miles high. Like so much else, he got that wrong; at four inches per million, it would only be 63 miles high. At any rate, by the time he left office eight years later, the debt had nearly tripled, to $2.7 trillion, and his metaphorical stack of $1,000s had soared 164 miles high. During Bush's eight years, based on Klein's and the CBPP's calculations, another 321 miles were added to the stack.
So next time Mitt Romney mouths off about the national debt and one of your TGIF or Facebook friends declares that the guy has a point, you might remind her exactly who was in office when most of that debt was accumulated.
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SFirman
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When GW went into office he had a balanced budget. It was he that ran the debt up. As much as Romney has flip flopped how can anyone believe him. When he blames Obama it is all lies. GW is to blame for most of our debt and bad economy.
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SFirman
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Paratus
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When Bush took office the debt stood at (numbers rounded for calculation. The actual is Trillions) 5,943,439. On 12/31/2008 it was 10,699,805 for an increase of 4,756,366. On 12/31/2011 the debt stood at 15,125,899 for an increase under Obama of 4,426,094. It took Bush 8 years to add 4.7 trillion and Obama three years to add 4.4 Trillion. Obama has the rest of his first term to spend and, hopefully, he will not have another. Unless Obama changes his ways severely he will win the prize. Romney is not wrong. Besides, Romney is not running against Bush he is, if he wins the RNC nomination, running against Obama. The economy is not about Bush it is about Obama.
http://www.skymachines.com/US-National-Debt-Per-Capita-Percent-of-GDP-and-by-Pre...
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Paratus
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WakeUpPeople
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Paratus:
You have to look at which policies caused the debt to increase and who enacted them. Bush's absolutely awful policies are STILL being felt years later. The article showed the math. Your "black and white" math is very simplistic and fails to consider the multidimensional economic facts.
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WakeUpPeople
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Milieu
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Paratus:
It took us 12 years to recover from what Uncle Ronnie RayGun did to our country.
Your grandchildren will still be paying for what Mad King George III [W] did to our country.************************************************************************************************
btw, isn't it odd that the first Mad King George III helped cause the creation of the U.S. and it was the second Mad King George III, that nearly destroyed it?
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Milieu
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JanforGore
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When is anybody going to start talking about what we are going to do to decrease it for our children?
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JanforGore
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WakeUpPeople
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JanforGore:
We have failed our future in so many ways.
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northernexpat
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Don't let the facts get in the way of all the lies coming from the 'right'. Just look at their spin on a positive jobs report for January. Excellent post ^d.
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northernexpat
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nanac
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It really good to see factual information brought forth to dispel the enormous amount of lies/misinformation, concerning the national deficit. The Obama's hate machine has been effective at confusing the issues, it's only objective is to distort the president's record. If the MSM was doing it's job, this information wouldn't be suppressed, and Bush would be held responsible for the biggest deficit in history........................................Excellent post.................................Thanks..........
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nanac
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ZiggyStrange
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This is the truth. Voted up
The Obama hate machine will be sure to come and hurl more lies.
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ZiggyStrange
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FoosMaster
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To Most of us on this site this comes as no surprise. We now need an independent committee to study the numbers and come out with their findings Before the elections so that we can put the Liars in their place. The TeaPublicans will still ignore the facts but the Independents Would pay attention to the findings of an independent group.
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FoosMaster
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Buckeye_Bill
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(Edited for clarification - 3:09 P.M.)
"Eleven Februarys ago, in his first major speech to Congress, Bush vowed that the entire national debt would be paid off..."
Yes...and he further stated how by giving tax breaks to the top 10% by way of reducing "inheritance taxes and capital gains" taxes it would stir the economy and bring an era of unprecedented growth to all! GWB was AFRAID that if he PAID DOWN the debt too soon, it would HURT the economy! Also, GWB spoke how Social Security and MediCare was SAFE.
And then he PROMISED that these tax breaks would AUTOMATICALLY END in ten years!
It didn't take long for anyone who can recall this speech how he lied through his teeth!
And the Republican Party STILL lies through theirs every day about all of this!
Remember the "National Debt Clock"? This was the story that ran on the national news programs back in October, 2008: http://youtu.be/qbq71ufvfDM ...just so you all can argue the point of who ran the debt up the most with an ignorant Republican...from a surplus to TEN TRILLION DOLLARS.....NOT counting the two wars GWB started and put on the "Chinese Credit Card", that we haven't BEGUN to repay.
Oh...and all that "money" the rich receive in tax breaks? That's being borrowed from China, too!
And We The People are not only going to have to pay off those "loans" but we will have to pay interest on those STUPID loans. too!
This video has been scrubbed from YouTube!!!!
(http://youtu.be/h5F79kd2O7U - GWB's "FLASHBACK: In 2001 Address, Bush Said The National Debt Would Be Paid Off In Ten Years" link )Here's its replacement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Slmr024JYaA#t=226s
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Buckeye_Bill
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Buckeye_Bill:
Yup! Spot on. +d
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elementaljim
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I guess you know how to tell Romney is lying... his lips are moving.
He is an extremely disingenuous poser who's motivation is driven by overwhelming narcissistic tendencies.
What's new, that's true with most of political whores. - 4 months ago
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