Michael Steele Claims That African American Rights Are Different From LGBT Rights
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February 9, 2012
By Stephen D. Foster Jr.
On the Tuesday edition of NOW With Alex Wagner on MSNBC, former RNC Chairman Michael Steele exchanged words with LGBT activist and former soldier Dan Choi on the topic of same-sex marriage. During the discussion, which included author John Heilemann, Choi compared the fight for marriage equality to the fight for legal interracial marriages in the 1960s. Steele told Choi that LGBT rights were not the same as black rights. Heilemann jumped into the discussion and defended LGBT rights as human rights and Steele refused to acknowledge it, and claimed that race discrimination is different from discrimination against the LGBT community. Here’s the discussion between the three.
STEELE: “People have taken the view, more of a libertarian view, that the local communities need to make these decisions, these states should decide, and that’s where the battle should be drawn out as opposed to at the federal level, where you have a federal mandate. So that everybody has a chance to express themselves and the community decides ultimately where they want to be, and I think that’s fundamentally what this whole thing is about. Once you bring it to the federal level, then you start stomping on my toes because I feel differently about it — and I feel that I can’t express it because it’s subsumed into a bigger argument made by others who don’t live in my community.”
CHOI: “Since I fought for the entire of America, every state, don’t you believe that my love is just as equal as your love? When I come back from Iraq, I shouldn’t go to one state where my love is inferior to yours and another state where I wouldn’t be able to say goodbye to my husband or to my lover?”
STEELE: “I’m not going to get into how you define your love. Then you take it to another level when you ask the broader community where you live to look at that relationship in a way that puts it on par with other things.”
HEILEMANN: “Michael, I’m curious to whether you think it would be OK in modern America for there to be some states where black men could not marry white women?”
STEELE: “First off, let’s just be very clear. There are a significant number of African Americans, myself included, who do no appreciate that particular equation. OK? Because when you walk into a room, I don’t know if you are gay or not, but when I walk into a room, you know I’m black. And whatever racial feelings you have about African Americans, about black people, that is something that is visceral, it comes out. I don’t know until later on, maybe you tell me or some other way. So, don’t sit there and make that comparison. Don’t make that analogy.”
HEILEMANN: “The analogy is perfect! They’re human.”
STEELE: “Respect the fact that I don’t think it’s perfect. I don’t think it’s perfect.”
HEILEMANN: “Legally speaking, these are immutable characteristics. You can’t help whether you’re white or your black; you can’t help whether you’re gay or your straight.”
STEELE: “Absolutely.”
HEILEMANN: “The notion that because you can’t change these things — they’re not behaviors, they’re not clubs you belong to, you can’t change who you love, you can’t change what color you are. Therefore, there should be equality around on a national basis. Whites should be able to marry blacks everywhere in the country because to have it to be otherwise would be discriminatory. Similarly, the same story with same sex marriage.”
STEELE: “In your cultural view, that may be acceptable. In mine, it is not. And race is a very different category of discrimination.”
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Truthitswhatsfordinner
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Steele is the latest. Blacks on both sides of the political aisle have been making this argument for a while now.
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cherry5000
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Truthitswhatsfordinner:
my ex knows michael steele personally, he even told me that michael steele is an idiot.
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cherry5000
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letsliveinpeace
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Michael Steele is out of his mind also. He should be tested for drugs.
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letsliveinpeace
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bike10
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Was not Steele who said the GOP was the party of the big tent, party of inclusion not exclusion?
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bike10
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Naumadd
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No difference at all, in fact. The "right" of which he speaks is only this - the right to one's own life and the liberty to live it. It is a right only made possible between human beings who agree - human shall not prey upon human.
Every individual human being should get such a right from their neighbor and be willing to grant it in return - black, white, yellow, red, brown, straight, gay, bi, transgendered, poly, and whatever else.
To say that your right is somehow "superior" to that of another means you believe in privilege, not rights. You believe you should receive more liberty from your neighbor than your neighbor receives from you.
You are an elitist savage - not a committed member of civilization. You have no real understanding of rights, no true understanding of when, of where, and why they matter.
Whether you are free to be black or free to be homosexual, the issue is the same: are you or are you not liberated from the intrusions of others in your life?
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rerushg
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Steele: ".... a different category of discrimination..." Really? I must have missed that part of the Constitution.
Steele covers the three common talking points of righties these days:
1. Rights can somehow be "parsed" into ok and no-ok rights. No. Rights are clearly understood. It's DENIAL of rights that is litigated.
2. States rights (now "community" rights, maybe to avoid the stigma). Nope. This was all very clear when states joined the union. It's irrevocable. You can, of course, secede but you won't like it.
3. Attack the government (when you're not in charge). An indirect smack at Obama but, more importantly, an attack on our government itself. Ingrain in the sheeple the idea that somehow it is all wrong, a threat to them and we'd be better off if we were the Koch States of America, Inc. No again. - 4 months ago
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rerushg:
You certainly have his number and have figured out the GOP mantra. ^d.
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northernexpat
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scooter3282
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Michael Steele has been nothing but a circus clown from the moment he stepped onto the political and now media stage, more interested in screen time than saying anything of substance, shock over awe, sorta like a disembowled Ann Coulter and most of the ugly talking heads of the right.
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scooter3282:
I had forgotten about his foot in mouth disease untill I saw this yesterday. His body language alone told the tale, he need not have said a word. Hmmmm .... a talking head that doesn't speak. Sounds good to me.
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joeredford:
My all time favorite take on Steele is provided by Wyatt Cenac on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart. He never fails to crack me up and here is classic Wyatt as Michael Steele.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/16/stewart-michael-steele-puppet_n_797568....
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Leen61
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Kudos to John Heilemann and Dan Choi for bringing up the issue of inter-racial marriage. Yes, it's the same struggle. Michael Steele is an idiot and obviously a homophobe.
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Leen61
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Leen61:
his wife is just like him an idiot.
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cherry5000
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cherry5000:
I believe it, cherry.
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Leen61
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cherry5000
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michael steele is an idiot, this clown ran for the senate three times in maryland and lost by a landslide.
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cherry5000
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northernexpat
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I actually saw this and was flabbergasted with Michael Steele's response when Choi asked him about this. He seems so insulted to compare inter-racial marriage to gay marriage. If he can't see the parallel then his own prejudice is showing.
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northernexpat:
I saw it too. I was not shocked , he has said the same things many times before. He hates having his struggle compared to the gay rights struggle. Civil rights are civil rights, but in his mind there are exclusions. How tolerant. But then he is a Republicn.
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cherry5000
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joeredford:
he didn't tell anyone that he almost lost his home twice in foreclosure.
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cherry5000
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cherry5000:
If it weren't for MSNBC he'd be losing it again. Why they hired him is beyond me.
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northernexpat
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joeredford:
I guess MSNBC wants to show they are fair and balanced, even if they hire someone like him who doesn't live in reality. By the way did you hear that CPAC is not allowing any of their Gay GOP Groups to attend, but have invited a white supremacist who even hates Jews to speak? Poor Cantor, I guess he'll have to stay away when this jerk is on stage. The funniest part is the guy hate immigrants, but he is an immigrant himself. I guess when he talks about immigrants he really means non-white immigrants. The GOP are really starting to show their true colors. I just can't understand how any minority could feel comfortable in the GOP these days. Do you think they can stoop any lower?
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northernexpat
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northernexpat:
Why any self respecting gay person would want to attend a hate fest like CPAC is a total mystery.
The Republican party seems intent upon destroying any chance of their winning the Presidency again. Fine with me. - 4 months ago
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joeredford:
I know. I have never figured out why anyone who is gay or a minority would claim they belong to the most hate-filled racist party that GOP have become. Of course, I cannot figure out how anyone who is sane would belong to the GOP.
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northernexpat