Community | February 09, 2012 | 57 comments

Culture Wars and Lady Parts! Funny thing Nowhere in the Bible is any thing said about Birth Control!

source: http://www.commondreams.org/further/2012/02/09

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If it's not in the Bible who makes this shit up?


Culture Wars and Lady Parts
by Abby Zimet


The current confounding ruckus about whether (possibly Catholic) employers should offer insurance plans that cover contraception raises some basic questions, as in: Why are we debating contraception - which most Americans, including Catholics, use and approve of, in 2012? Why is the right-wing suddenly taking up the old Culture Wars cry when it's largely based on the medieval belief system of a small group of elderly celibate men who wouldn't know a lady part if they met one and thus have no moral, legal or medical reason to dictate what women do or don't do with aforementioned parts? Why is the media not calling out these guys when they say hooey things like the access to contraception is "but a thinly disguised way of silencing the moral witness of Catholics in protecting the sanctity and dignity of every human life" and "an attempt to put a bushel basket over the light of our Catholic faith." And how much does all this have to do with the news that the economy is doing way better, thanks, so it looks like Republicans will have to gin up some other bogus story to get attention? One of these pieces quotes a Catholic bishop who argues, without irony, that believers shouldn't have to be second-class citizens; it seems women are another matter.
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57 comments // Culture Wars and Lady Parts! Funny thing Nowhere in the Bible is any thing said about Birth Control!

  • noxidereus
  • remanns
    • +2
      remanns  

    • OK - if my attractive female co workers are pregnant, they are less likely to have a slight edge when it comes to "just cuz I like you" minor raises from management,.....and if they actually leave work for months or years due to birthing related challenges/issues.....the competition they give me for positions in the work place virtually vanishes.ENTIRELY !

      Therefore - by making it ANY easier at all for my female peasant counterpart to control those physiological issues,....as a MALE peasant I am undermining what little edge I might have in the dog pit workplace,....and because this policy WOULD NOT BE FREE to my employer,....it may actually be taking a penny from MY pocket !

      From a purely Machiavellian perspective, I am working AGAINST myself.

      p.s. - I personally am for it anyway,....I don't make a lot of purely Machiavellian
      decisions - - - but if FREE ENTERPRISE,.......IS,....viewed as a social darwinist zero sum game - that IS the reasoning that needs must be refuted.

    • 4 months ago
  • remanns
  • remanns
  • artemis6
  • kvb1
    • +5
      kvb1  
    • artemis6:

      No one is requiring the any religious organization to provide birth control as part of their health insurance. What is being required is that institutions, regardless of who runs them, that accept government funding for medicare/medicaid, research grants, etc, must like all secular institution provide that coverage. Those institution fall under the fair labor act as well and can not discriminate in employment. If the church does not want to provide coverage, they should not accept government money.

    • 4 months ago
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • kvb1:

      Without government money ... WHERE would they BE !! Maybe where they belong ... Can we get some non denominational medical establishments going to replace them ? They are too anti fee choice for me , or , even their own believers , if one actually looks ...

    • 4 months ago
  • ThirdSection
    • +6
      ThirdSection  

    • A proper interpretation on the Bible's position on birth control would be that sheepskin condoms are fine, but pigskin condoms are not, and condoms made of mixed fibers are right out.

    • 4 months ago
  • kennymotown
  • Milieu
  • corndog67
    • +7
      corndog67  

    • But the Pope and his Bishops make this shit up as they go. Their meat doesn't work anymore, at least with women, little boys don't get pregnant. I can't believe that our government worries about what these clowns are thinking and doing. And that they seem to have influence over anyone is beyond my comprehension.

    • 4 months ago
  • kennymotown
  • charliesommers
  • warman1138
    • +3
      warman1138  

    • Earlier on CNN today they said over 70% of large catholic institutions offered contraceptive help in their health care plans and over 90% of catholics used birth control. If that's the case obviously no religious leaders and right wing noisemakers are paying attention, just bashing Obama.

    • 4 months ago
  • kennymotown
  • warman1138
  • kennymotown
  • HarukoHaruhara
    • +9
      HarukoHaruhara  

    • I look at that graph up above and I can absolutely see why the Catholic Church is bleeding away parishioners in the West left, right and centre.

      The leaders don't listen to their own flock.

      Course they probably never really have.

    • 4 months ago
  • Leen61
    • +7
      Leen61  

    • Reps can't win on real issues. They go for the wedge issues. That's why birth control, religion, gay marriage and abortion is all they talk about. And for goodness sake....keep the bible out of women's reproductive rights! This is 2012.....not 1912!

    • 4 months ago
  • jimstoner
  • PepeLepew
  • jimstoner
  • HarukoHaruhara
  • PepeLepew
  • jimstoner
  • northernexpat
    • +3
      northernexpat  
    • PepeLepew:

      I agree 100%. One of my best friends, who is Metis, told me terrible horror stories about her time in the Catholic run school when she was a child. They were forced to be away from their families, forbidden to speak their native language, and, suffered physical and sexual abuse. What is a travesty is that the Catholic Church that has such a black eye on many issues that they swept under the rug, feels it is still has a right to intervene in a woman's right to choose. It makes me sick. It has gotten so that organized religion is a hoax on the believers.

    • 4 months ago
  • jimstoner
  • pjacobs51
  • ThirdSection
  • EmperorThan
  • EmperorThan
  • kennymotown
  • Wyley_Wombat
    • +5
      Wyley_Wombat  

    • Back when the church of Rome was just getting a foothold in the world, their little black book was written in Latin and the average slob had no idea what it said. He had to take the word of the priest, redbird, or pope since he could not read it for himself. The church made big money selling their interpretations of the text. They can't really do that now because more people can read than in the Dark Ages. Old habits, however, die hard and they just can't resist making shit up to fool the rubes.

    • 4 months ago
  • kennymotown
  • cmc101
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      cmc101  
    • Wyley_Wombat:

      education is next how else can they control the masses
      a man working to feed his children has no time for rebellion
      a man with no education cannot understand what a billion dollars will buy . Maybe a truckload of balloons that he can sell to feed his family

    • 4 months ago
  • Anonmaly
    • +3
      Anonmaly  

    • Funny MARIJUANA & HEMP were never mentioned to be prohibited in the Bible....

      In fact there are several references to; "herb" & the "green herb"....

      No one will ever be able to effectively legislate harsher rules on abortion or birth control, but nobody gives a damn we're locking up tons of people, and raiding their homes like the gestapo over a fucking plant.... (oh, when we're not shooting them and their pets in the head)

      I'm beginning to give not a flying fuck about the rights of women to be sluts while I can't even legally get high...

      & culture wars, what culture? Over consumerism, and the right to profit off slave labor as long as it's outsourced.... that our culture?

      The corporate state has eroded our culture into garbage anyway....

      I don't buy the poll either...... That many people want MEDICAL insurance to cover a non medical issue..... Bullshit, it's an issue of closing your legs or being responsible, you want to cover my condom bill while you're at it?

    • 4 months ago
  • BrushwithDeathToothpaste
    • +5
      BrushwithDeathToothpaste  

    • I understand that Catholic hospitals do support IVF. Pretty funny considering how much of an uproar there was to test tube babies. I guess it is OK for man to play god when he's making more Catholics.

    • 4 months ago
  • kennymotown
  • HarukoHaruhara
  • MSII
    • +5
      MSII  
    • HarukoHaruhara:

      It's about -control- always is with the right-wingers. They believe in -control-. They want a return to a black&white (in more ways then one) world of the 40's-50's "father knows best" era (that never really was what they like to think it was as they look back through their rose colored glasses). A world where sex was only for conception, and never happened outside good christian marriage!

    • 4 months ago
  • HarukoHaruhara
  • northernexpat
    • +2
      northernexpat  
    • MSII:

      You couldn't be more right. But even back then they were teaching us to fear. Remember the McCarthy era where is was 'better to be dead then red'? Where people panicked so much they built bomb shelters because they feared that Russia was going to invade the US. It has always been about control and how better to control then to fear the unknown. The new fear is the LBGT community and minorities taking over. They will always find something for the gullible to fear to keep them in-line.

    • 4 months ago
  • MSII
  • vaxart
    • +6
      vaxart  

    • Republican agenda :
      Women should not abort, should not use contraceptives, should not be pro-choice, should cook and procreate - sounds a lot like Saudi Arabia.
      Wouldn't be surprised if the next thing on their agenda is when women should have a period !!!!
      Shame, shame, shame.

    • 4 months ago
  • northernexpat
    • +5
      northernexpat  

    • Look who is pounding their fists over this? Older white men. If these men continue with their draconian actions to deny women their rights, they are going to lose. This is the 21st Century. I do not need a man to dictate what I do or don't do when it comes to my body and my health. By the way, those Catholic hospitals that are complaining about this also accept government funding for medicare and medicaid. You cannot just pick and choose what laws and regulations you are going to follow. Also, the rule does not effect church facilities, just the facilities that are available to everyone. It should be up to women to decide whether they want to take birth control or not. This decision does not force anyone to go against their own beliefs. It just allows women who happen to work in Catholic Universities and hospitals the same opportunity to have affordable birth control that other women do.

    • 4 months ago
  • coolplanet
  • FreeSpiritMuse
    • +5
      FreeSpiritMuse  

    • It's a huge distraction from other issues that need to be addressed and not my lady parts! (great title Kenny) They're going to end up really getting women angry over this. This would be one fight they're not ready for. Not all of us are submissive little gals. Some of these politicians want to make this election into a biblical holy war. Address the real issues for a change. One being the war on women's rights they've been raging over the past few years.

    • 4 months ago
  • kennymotown
  • northernexpat
  • FreeSpiritMuse
  • FreeSpiritMuse
  • kennymotown
  • letsliveinpeace
  • kennymotown
  • MSII
  • cherry5000
  • kennymotown
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