Dennis Kucinich Connects The Dots On The Possibility Of War With Iran

Thank you! Every American should hear this. Our government in USA is not above lying anytime.

Bravo! absolutely spot on correct, clear concise and accurate, great post! ];-) ^+

Superb, llip. And all those innocents whose lives were taken will be remembered by those who are family to them, just knew them, or simply knew the insanity of it all. And they will remember and their offspring will know and remember. We create a world of future terrorists. They will be anonymous. They will not forget. They will not forgive.

Exactly. No one would stand for having drones with missiles on them flying over their house. If another country flew drones over American houses people would go nuts.
Now those same people who complain should image how people in countries with drones flying over them feel.

You can't ask people to accept your values and promote your ideals of how they should live and at the same time fly weapons of terror in their neighbourhoods and on occasion kill and maim their families. Iranians would be very fearful of being subjected to the conditions many in Iraq, Afghanistan and Northern Pakistan find themselves in. This only harms American interests.

If you want to negotiate with another party you must act civilly to have any hope of getting anywhere. America can be a pretty intimidating in situations where diplomacy would be far more effective.

Thanks, you're welcome!

No Ron Paul ever....Kucinich yes.

Ron Paul accuses Sanatorium of being a liberal... where does that put Ron Paul if not waaay to the right of Attila the Hun?

On what subject does Paul considers Santorium of being a liberal?

In the interview in which he accused Sanatorium of being a liberal, he didn't specify on what subjects. It was a general accusation.

Thank you. Do you by any chance have a link to this interview?

Vierochka, thank you for the link. I did listen to the interview and I do understand how this comment can be used by the left. American children have one of the worse public education in the world, our medicare system is a joke and no money in the world can help unless we fix the system. It is the same as throwing more money into the fire in hopes to stop it. Enough of "no child left behind" or any corrupt and ineffective program that uses federal money that is not spent to benefit our children or our senior citizens. I do not vote on the party line and I truly believe if we do not support the most fundamental human rights first and foremost nothing else will ever follow. I will only vote for the candidate who will stop invading countries and will bring human rights and liberties to American citizens here at home.

If you believe that Ron Paul would actually do that were he elected, I think you are very gullible.

OMG! Iran was insidiously placed itself right smack between 45 of our bases! Clearly an act of aggression! Nuke 'em!

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha!!!!!

That is funny! +^d

Your comment must have sounded like a personal attack. If the person you respond to flags you they review it. Sometimes it comes back, sometimes not. I have even had comments removed and In the nicest guy here. Don't let it bother ya, it happens to everyone.

A very lucid thought. Thank you for being an adult in the room.

LOL. Dennis is hardly an embarrassment. What's embarrassing to me as a citizen is that someone is considered a "tin-foil hat conspiracy theorist" for just speaking simple truths. He is perfectly sane, a whole lot more sane than most in Congress.

I'm a decon in the Foil hat Union and I have never seen him at any of the meetings. But He could be with a splinter group that has gone Rogue

0_o thats not what I just watched...

Has anything happened yet? It's one thing to be concerned, it's another thing for an influential public figure to put out paranoia videos making it seem like the U.S. government wants war and has pre-planned it.

You mean rogue, right? Maybe he did but I'm loosely in touch with the "outsiders" and no one's seen him there. You're behind the times, my friend. Most of us just went ahead and built Faraday cages around ourselves for full protection. (The drones... the drones are coming....)

Hello? The US govt IS acting completely like it WANTS war and the beltway media are pushing it. And YES, the govt. is pre-planning it. Would you prefer that we speak out after it starts so you can say, "Well, you should have said something!" ?

Only in the fantasies of tin-foil hat wearers, rightwingers, Obama haters, and nihilists does the U.S. government want war and pre-plan attacks.

I'm a member of two of said groups and two out of three voices say We believe you are mistaken.

Hmmm. It might take me a while to sift through that to find the logic. In the meantime I'd suggest you locate:
"The Trial of Henry Kissinger" (2002 doc based on Christopher Hitchens' book) and...
National Geographic "Kissinger" (2011 TV)
They're both available and quite enlightening as to US foreign policy over the last 50 years. It has not changed.

The same things were said about Dennis Kucinich when he was speaking up against the Iraq War. Unfortunately, he was right. The things he was saying and being called a 'tin-foil hat conspiracy theorist', before we started bombing Iraq have now been proven correct. But in this up is down, black is white, wrong is right world the Republicans have created. Dennis Kucinich's words proving to be true and their bad decisions proven to be wrong and Dennis Kucinich is the one who needs help?

Sorry Debra, but I strongly disagree. Our son's and daughter's and the Iraqi people paid the price for the Iraq war, while the Military Industrial Complex made large sums of money. I personally would rather be poor than see our son's and daughter's taken to another war of aggression. People are being spun into thinking things, which have yet to be proven true. Ordinary Americans are listening to the war rhetoric on MSM, which by the way is owned by many of the same people who also own the Military Industrial Complex.

Are people being spun with purpose?

I thought we both agreed not to talk to one another?

An I said I have the right to post on a open forum. Have a nice day:)

I have serious reservations about Dr. Kissinger because he served in a republican administration and that has greatly tainted him, however independent of that, he has on occasion put forth some great ideas and good papers, and has a promising vision for a 21st century global order.

I don't think the Obama Administration want's war, but I do think mainstream media and their owners do. They are spinning toward war with almost reckless abandon. I hope the voices of reason speak up before they have the majority of ordinary Americans convinced we should go to war preemptively 'again'.

I can promise you that despite the fear mongering rantings of the congressman your son will not be sent to war.

Deb - You still believe in WMDs? GWB may have but his puppeteers knew better.

How much are you willing to put up to back up that promise to Conniepae?
Now. Suppose all of us Progressives decide that we will cheerfully support the war because Obama's our hero and we know (wink-wink) it ain't gonna happen. How much are you willing to put up then to back your promise?

I was in the Middle East and Europe during the build up to the war in Irag. I was asked by an English citizen while I was in Gib., if he thought the US was going to pick a fight over WMD's and the lack thereof. I told him yeah we probably were, we were going after the oil and really didn't give a crap about WMD's. And it turns out I was not wrong. I see the same thing happening here, though nukes are a real possibility for this country. It is a difficult problem and not one to carelessly joke around about with a tin foil hat. We have enough of those on the right. My friends and I call them republicans and we believe they are the real threat to the country. BTW how's that birth control thingy working for ya?

Says the person who believes in Eugenics.

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha those damn voices! ha,ha,ha,ha,ha

Just wanted to add, might want to check out a documentary called The Fog of War interviewing Robert S. McNamara, pretty damn Informative.

amazing how much Mcnamera sounded like Rumsfeld.wasn't it?

these things take time,if we are considering it,pieces are being moved into place.amazing amount of logistics in war.this is the time to debate it,not on the eve of battle.

Don't worry, God blesses the happy idiots. Keep smiling.

Ha! Funny you should mention that. I was gonna throw that in too but thought it might overload certain circuits. I have it and have been through it several times, last just a few months ago. I give McNamara credit for being candid and, in the end, understanding it all. I view him as the ultimate military technician of his day. The first to truly approach war from an almost purely detached analytical perspective. Not a policy maker, just the enabler.
Kissinger, a believer in Realpolitik, in combination with Nixon, IMO a psycopath, was a devasting combination, creating policies that we still live with today. Exceptionalism, preemption, and disregard for the sovereingty of other nations originated with them and remain with us today. People were startled with Bush's "crimes against humanity" when they had actually been SOP for some 30 years. Obama is trapped with it. It's gonna a take us a least a decade to drag this thing back to somewhere left of Orwell.

Ya, there's another guy who should be in the wilderness under a full moon, being disemboweled with a wooden cooking spoon.

ah! but would he be wearing his medal of freedom?...my blood boiled twice a day during the bush years.

Yep, I don't know if you remember this or not, but that old fascist bastard Kissinger was kicking around the White House with Bush just a few years ago, Jesus Christ, I just couldn't believe that old fascist bastard was getting involved in things again, sometimes I feel like there's truth to the old adage that only the good die young, it seems like these old criminals and war mongers, fucking hang around forever, they remind me of the character (I don't know what "it" was called) but it was the ninja fighting machine in the hell boy movie (I absolutely love hell boy) anyway, do you remember or know the character I'm talking about? it was no longer human and all, and just kind of wound itself up-or down as situation was necessary-and killed with mechanical precision? that's what they remind me of, any thoughts?

Thinking about anything during the Bush years makes me fucking sick, the thing that's so amazing-if that's the word that one might use-is that the huge difference between Reagan and Bush Junior, was that Reagan actually had a plan, he had a well thought out and well executed plan that overthrew the government and replaced it with a puppet regime to cater solely to corporate interest, Bush Junior meanwhile, (I. swear to god every time I see that man's face I think of Alfred E. Neuman) was a complete and total fucking idiot, yet was still able to do far far more destructiveness than even Reagan, no doubt it was Cheney and Donny Rumsfeld running the show, but Jesus Christ was that men stupid, if Grover Cleveland Or Calvin Coolidge can go down as the most hands off didn't do a fucking thing in office presidents in history, I would think Bush would go down as the absolute dumbest, but I'm open to an opinion....

Sure. Kissinger saw no rational end to Iraq either. I'll give him that much. The neocons saw no end to Iraq and later admitted it. That's why we heard McCain (et.al.) talk about being there indefinitely; if you talk about an end, you've got to talk about how you get there. They didn't care. If they pulled 2008 out they'd just keep the gravy train rolling and see what happens. If not, they leave the river of sh*t for the next guy. FUBAR.

He is certainly in contention for that title!

the money that was to be made,was made...all about the money,always.

Debra, Mr. Kucinich is a realist stuck in the fiction of nation's overpowered military industry that sells its marketing plans as lets-go-to-war nationalism.

But I understand your POV. I mean, how dare this guy talk about the absurdity of nuclear energy and weapons when there's oil to be had, right? Yeah, he is sure is nuts.

Remember when everyone battled about whether or not everyone should or could get HEALTH INSURANCE, he fought to shift the conversation on HEALTH CARE. Batty, huh?

This man is focused on the greater good ALWAYS. I sing his praises.

Suggested reading: War is a Racket, Smedley D. Butler.
BTW, love that you list yourself as Progressive when you are clearly a disinfo troll.
Best of luck, "Debra."

Yep.... always about the money..... and the ego.

No one is held accountable when they make empty promises. Our politicians are not held accountable, or even shamed. Why would I have confidence in the promise of a random poster on a web site?

Hey the voices have save my ass a few times.

He who? what are you talking about.

I here ya, mine ask for whiskey and herbal refreshment.

Yep, so do you have the book FUBAR as well? I do.

I think Wanderer was referring to Bush dumbest POTUS.

Nope. Looks interesting though. Gotta check it out. Thanks, V.

Oh.

It's okay, I personally think it's a very poorly written, and the ironic humor is set at a very low level, -I probably would've loved it at 23- but it's okay, if I had to use an analogy, it would be like the McDonald's of the left's American foreign policy bashing, compared to say the writings of Christopher Hitchens, which would be a much higher quality sit-down meal.

Exactly my impression of what it might be. I enjoy brief political satire but not an entire tome of it. I'm a fact freak myself. It seems to take all my time just trying to pick the facts out of the BS. :)

"It seems to take all my time just trying to pick the facts out of the BS. :)"

Exactly, I liken it to garage sale Hunts, where the vast majority of the time, you find nothing, then suddenly, you find an old stack of 78s, and you find a Louis Armstrong or Big Bill Broonzy cut MAN! that totally makes it worth it!

All attacks are pre planned.

Kissinger was kicking around just the other day signing documents and playing the the part of someone who still wants to be important. The old bastard is still involved with international relations and adding his little bits of so called 'intelligence'. He should of been retired to the scrapheap long ago for his cold clinical actions toward humanity and his perception that human life is just a statistic that can be crossed of a list if it is cheaper than preserving it.

Yes, it would seem Debra is a sockpuppet that can't keep track of the stories already spun.

This is one little FACT they never told in schools. Thanks for posting v-up!

How? Simple - not only is Ron Paul right about war and about drugs but for very, very wrong reasons, the rest of his agenda is simply downright evil and dangerous.

Yeah, um, the biggest problem with RP is that he's one sheet away from the KKK. So, I don't care if he can walk on water, the racist mentality shapes everything he is. He is the enemy of the rising tide, selling snake oil of unrestricted individual liberty for all. No regulations! No policies! No standards!

So by all means, support him. You'll get to chug Atrazine morning, noon and night. You'll get to play on a oil-coated slip 'n' slide in your backyard. You'll get to have fun with rolling blackout lotto. You'll get to fight your neighbor for that neato 2-dollar-an-hour, 60-hour workweek job! and on and on and rock your unregulated-individual-liberty on.

Have a ball!

Thanks Viertochka

Ron Paul has a place in America, just not the White House, overseeing the needs of every American. Ron Paul is a Republican and would bring them to the table, while the rest of us starve.

Right agenda and decisions for the wrong reasons?

Absolutely true, and also, absolutely hilarious! great avatar! "No one fucks with the Jesus man!"

Agreed!

as long as israel exists the palestinians wont be happy, so that ship has sailed

And the right-wingers still refuse to conceive of making the real substantive cuts that any sane society would make. These people who love to proclaim themselves "fiscal conservatives". These endless imperialist bases all over the world need to be seriously CUT back. The military-industrial-contractors need to be seriously CUT back!

Hey they could throw a rock at us and break a window.

a stained glass window,with Jesus on it !....lets get 'em!

Come out of the house we have you surrounded! We are the worlds police department and you have no right to protect your country from the world police dept. Good question Vierotchka.

Great point!

Left is just as bad as the right.