I cannot be free. That very statement is illogical.

California's University system used to be FREE for all CA residents. Reagan changed that. Rethugs prefer their constituents to be ignorant and uneducated. By necessity, of course.

Yes, that was a wise decision by Reagan. When the universities disrupted into Left-winger riots, Reagan wanted to protect the rights of the professors and students who were RESPONSIBLE, so he sent in the National Guard. He authorized the use of bayonets to protect life and property.

that statement is laughable

america cares about the military, but not children (or people in general).

A dear friend of mine enlisted on 9/12, devastated by the attack on the WTC. He came back from the desert psychologically demolished. He spent a whole tour patrolling the perimeter of the green zone. He smuggled out a "kill reel"- photos of the guys he killed before they could kill him. He said every time he looked through his scope at someone, they were aiming right at him and it was a race to see who would pull the trigger first. Several times a day, every day, for a couple of years. He doesn't sleep. He's a heroin addict. He is utterly ruined.

YES Kelpie! I worked with returning vets Tripler Hospital Honolulu 69-72 CALLED IT SHELL SHOCK there is no cure just management. SAD for me Spend my entire life cleaning up HUMAN messes, moved away to save my own sanity.With globalization now being chased by the same abuse of youth.I get exhausted thinking about this daily! Those on front line never forget myself working with the shattered&splattered, I too can not, will not forget, all those damaged kids, thanks for sharing Kelpie=LOVE ALWAYS!

You're a kind and courageous soul. Vets are lucky to have your support. (((knopf))))

Better reread your post. I doubt women are making 76 dollars to a mans dollar. If they are I may consider a medical procedure or at the very least cross dressing

I see u fixed it.

{Women and minorities are not represented in government or in corporate management in numbers remotely close to their percentage of the population.}

Neither are children.

That statistic is meaningless and inane.

{Discrimination is rampant and very difficult to prove on an individual basis.}

You have it backwards: Companies are obliged to prove that they are NOT discriminating. So, what this garbage does is for companies to move to areas that have few minorities. That is not to avoid hiring minorities, but only to avoid the government from coming down on them, pestering and threatening them to prove that their workforce has a % of groups, A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, and K as is reflected in the surrounding community.

Easier to just move that to put up with that garbage. So, the very people the Libbies claim to help (by labeling and forcing them into specific groups based on skin color, for "their own good") wind up with fewer job opportunities.

More results of Liberal policies: Poverty, unemployment, and resentment.

Thank you, Left-wingers!

{The best place to level the playing field is the one area that can be monitored closely - college admissions.}

No, it makes things worse. It usurps justice, takes away rights from certain groups, causes resentments, lowers standards, and makes people suspect of anyone in the selected speical Liberal groups who really are competent.

The woman thing is a deliberate statistical manipulation by the Left-wingers. This is because many women do not compete for the same jobs, they take different jobs, and they leave - on average - more than males do, mostly for family reasons.

Case is point with utility companies, and true story. Let's say there are 100 people, 50 men and 50 women working. They need 10 people to climb to the tops of poles and do other dangerous work. Who, in reality (not Left-winger theory and fantasyland), applies for these jobs? Almost all men, of course. These jobs are higher paid.

So, the Left-wingers present the salaries of equal people as the men are getting more out of discrimination. It is a blatant LIBERAL LIE! A freakin' LEFT-WINGER LIE!

bullshit, do some honest research before chiming in next time

no doubt, im in that line

all we have to do is recind a few child labor laws to fix that

undoubtedly liberals always hurt the ones they love

maybe if dishwashers were paid the same as electricians we could do away with unfair disparity!

Neither are puppies and goldfish. Maybe because they aren't adult humans and part of the workforce. My post was flawless and I stand by it.

No conservative ever had the slightest interest in justice, only in self-interest.

"The woman thing" is a statistical reality. Women do not get paid the same rate for the same job, and they are not promoted as often or as far up the ladder as men. Don't use "true story" unless you're going to actually discuss a real incident, in which case I expect you to link to it.

As a woman, I'm an expert on discrimination. If you insist on posting racist tripe, expect to be flamed.

guess you hang with the wrong men. women out my way are worshipped, adored and treated fairly, especially after dark

we can also be interested in the finer things a good woman has to offer

Not by you, that much is obvious.

Liberals are narcissists and only love themselves.

Liberals pervert justice with their "social justice."

It is a deliberate manipulation of data in almost all cases. I already explained it.

If one looks for discrimination, one find what one is looking for, of course.

Yeah, that's how we earned the nickname "bleeding hearts liberals".

Your lies do not constitute an "explanation", at least not on my planet. What color is the sky on yours?

Do you find unicorns and leprechauns, too? You probably even believe in god, lol.

Liberals do not care about who pays and suffers from it. They are hypocrites and narrow-minded. Liberals try to gain the moral high ground with policies that actually can produce temporary "relief" or what appears to be something positive, but in the longer run and for the overall society, Liberal policies produce immorality, poverty, crime, and unemployment.

Interesting that you equate "unicorns and leprechauns" to belief in God. I hope you understand that is only one of many reasons why much of America hates Leftism.

darlin, you should be so lucky

TRUTHITSWHATSFORDINNER is one of the best writers on these threads. Very open and willing to hear others' points of view. In addition, he is quite astute at reasoning and has an excellent command of history. It is quite obvious.

This is what I mean about the Left.

Moderators: Explain why Congoboy still has an account, when so many intelligent commenters lost theirs for much lesser offenses?

could be that they occasionally exhibit fairness and ultimately believe in freedom of speech. this is america after all. i see more offensive commentary coming from the left on this site than the right, i guess its subjective. but i am happy to report that current also censors inappropriate comment coming from the leftylib front. sometimes i overstep the bounds and get comments pulled. i realize this and dont penalize current for doing so. if all you want is liberal agreement to your misplaced opinions you might try hanging out with your yes men and women down at your local pub. peace

god and i are close bro. take your concerns to someone else

Yes. I have noticed the obscenities coming from the Left, for example. Plenty of them. And the charges of LIAR repeatedly, simply because the Leftist did not like the information. And look at the death wishes concerning Breitbart.

thanks for the sage advice. ill take it under consideration

all coming to you from the party of tolerance, acceptance, freedom and love my friend

nice to see you ally yourself with supression of free expression and speech. progressivism is a dead movement based on political correctness and deceit. al gore is a blow hard who like most politicians is only in it for political and monetary gain, wake up! with 10 years of bush bashing by the left we have a lot of catching up to do. we on the right prefer honesty and open dialog over political correctness my misguided friend

Well said.

Nobody is "bashing" liberals, of course. And Conservatives are for individual rights; we do not find a necessity to classify people into various groups and demand "group rights" under the name of "social justice" because that usurps true justice.

Liberals do not understand tolerance. To liberals, "tolerance" is accepting and celebrating what THEY deem worthy.

True tolerance actually incorporates dislike and disapproval. It means that one tolerate that which one does not like or approve. But Liberals think it means believing in what they do.

to a liberal anyone who disagrees with them is a racist bigot

Left-wingers who make these claims have brought to light their deep-seated racism:

1. The Left-winger, by virtue of his saying that any “minorities” need special help is implying that they are inferior. Unless people are inferior in some way, they do not need help, but Left-wingers believe that they do and this reveals one aspect of their racism.

2. The Left-winger is refusing to look at the individual and instead looks at people as members of groups defined by skin color; that is what racists do. Their very ideology and psyche virtually necessitates their looking at people as part of some category.

3. The Left-winger, by revising history, assumes certain races and ethnicities want more representation. Again, he assumes – by virtue of race – that people of certain skin colors must feel inferior because, the Left-winger assumes again, they need to have history revised to raise their self-esteem. This is about as condescending as it gets: How would you like someone to assume you must feel inferior to the “rest of us” by virtue of your skin pigmentation?

4. The Left-winger is actually destroying lives of people whom he teaches are victims or oppressed. When a person becomes convinced that he is a victim or a member of an “oppressed” class, it permanently changes him – for the worse.

5. The Left-winger is using various groups to enhance his own status and sense of superiority. By claiming he knows what is best for Group X, the Left-winger attempts to elevate his status as both an authority and a savior of a group that he deems inferior and in need of help.

6. The Left-winger undermines Rule of Law by not treating people as individuals. The law is not perfect, but to change it to meet outcomes or treat members of a group differently is to pervert the law and seize the rights of others.

Oh man, are you guys confused. If we complain about racial hatred or bigotry you turn that around and say we are not be tolerant of their views. Thats priceless.

youre preaching to the choir my friend. it is nice to see my own thoughts and the thoughts of most sane folks so eloquently stated. ive been expressing similar concepts on current for nearly two years but the left are so deeply entrenched in their own myths and rhetoric, believing everything their friends and leadership spoon feeds them theyve lost sight of thinking for themselves

No, Liberals are racists. I wrote why and it is clear.

Thank you. I never really expect any of the radicals to change, of course. I learn quite a bit when they "lose it" and really reveal what they think.

me neither, i just come for the food and a few laughs

I could respond to your false assumptions, but it would be a waste of time.

Best not to feed the trolls, it really serves no purpose.

Agree! And here's yet another example of a good, intelligent, sane poster banned while the trolls troll-on.

Their ideology is so entrenched that it renders them quite incapable of rational thought.

{I could respond to your false assumptions, but it would be a waste of time.}

Translation:

I cannot post a logical defense or rebuttal.

we dont need feeding, we're brilliant enough already

could it be the drugs?

These Liberals seem sometimes to try real hard. Kind of sad at times.

if they had any brains to go with their big hearts the world might be a better place

I won't comment on that, but it seems that there are a great number of minorities in britain that are out of work too.

did some international statistical research did you or just pull numbers out of your ass?

Any statistics out of my ass would be more accurate than the drivel you seem to find on any given day, my friend.

maybe i could spend a little time with you and meticulously probe that theory of yours:)

hmmmm i'll consider your unfounded argument the next time i see who is currently sitting in the highest most powerful elected office in the world

Ha, I had to laugh at this.

The only place where straight White males are discriminated against are in some bigoted fantasy land.

There is no data, repeat, no data that supports continuous and systematic oppression of White males. The idea is simply fictitious and ignorant.

Or on Current.

Oh so when people disagree with you, on an internet board, that has no bearing on your everyday life, that counts as discrimination?

Ha, really?

You can pretend it's not racism if you want, it doesn't change the facts. Hopefully it will be struck down.

Ha, I have no need to 'pretend' because I know what racism actually is. The only facts here is your repeated incorrect use of words.

I can dig how you may feel a certain way about people who disagree with your views. But to even attempt to equate that to some type of discrimination or even the concept of racism demonstrates you have no idea what either of them really and truly are.

That kind of ignorance is what is keeping our country from moving forward.

Affirmative action gives preferential treatment based on race. I don't need a dictionary to figure that out.

Incorrect.

Affirmative Action is an attempt to address the inherent preferential treatment that White Americans have enjoyed since our country was founded. A privilege which they continue to enjoy to this day, as detailed by a previous post I made within this subject.

Not only could you use a dictionary, but a lesson on American history as well, my friend.

You are right, of course. All one has to do is look at university speech codes or what jokes are acceptable.

Another is "Hate Crime" federal legislation: There are only certain categories of people on which a supposed "hate crime" can be committed. It was put to the test in Colorado. A white woman was raped as part of an initiation into a black gang. The prosecuter wanted this to be a "Hate Crime" because a woman was chosen for a horrendous crime, solely based on race.

But it was denied. Seems the Leftist policy in that law did not include Black on White crime.

Welcome to LEFTIST-LAND.

Yes, and every person admitted based on race with Affirmative Action means that someone was rejected - BASED ON RACE.

You have not posted a single thing of substance. How old are you?

Affirmative action PREVENTS discrimination based on race. Whenever someone defends themselves against conservative oppressors, the conservatives wrongly claim they are the ones being attacked. The stupid birth control controversy is a good examply.

No one is trying to dictate how religious organizations run their businesses, but if they are accepting federal money, they have to play by the rules and treat their employees fairly by not imposing their religion on them. To deny any employee access to birth control is discrimination. PROTECTING THAT EMPLOYEE IS NOT DISCRIMINATION.

**PROTECTING** MINORITIES FROM RACISM IN COLLEGE ADMISSIONS IS NOT DISCRIMINATION.

Unless you are white, then it's perfectly fine, in fact encouraged. It's wrong no matter who does it, conservative or liberal.

Didn't ask for protection, I'm right and I know it. Affirmative action is institutionalized racism against white people. You can pretend it's not if you want, you can even try to rationalize it, but it doesn't change the facts.

Rationalize it however you want, still doesn't change the facts.

No, it discriminates based on race, of course. Why not be honest?

Also against Asians. I used to do college counseling. I had a computer program in which one could put all sorts of variables into it. One was race, of course. Did it decrease/increase one's chances of entry, adding SAT scores, GPA, etc.

I did this counseling in an international school in Asia. I was really surprised: Seems the West Coast schools discriminate against Asians, but almost none in the east, and not at all in the mid-west.

When Ronald Reagan was Governor of California, he wanted to be rid of this Affirm Action in college entrance. One aide said, "Governor, if we do that, the schools will be dominated by Asians."

Reagan's response was classic Reagan. He replied, "So what?"