Gandhi certainly effected significant changes, even though many justly point out that many changes did not survive him, because they were more of personality propulsion, than culturally practical and sustainable. On the side of his movement was that Great Britain was sensitive to world opinion, unlike the militaristic corporations of today, as it was an earlier and different time.

I'm reminded of a college political science text which pointed out that with all of the peaceful civil rights protests of that great era, significant "implementation" of social reforms did not actually begin until the civil right's massive violent protests in the large cities such as Chicago and Detroit. The text's authors maintain that the greatest improvements only occurred after those events. And while bloodless reform is always to be desired, of course, the reality is that oppressors, more often than not, force those seeking their due rights and privileges; Constitutional ones in this instance, into a violent reclamation of those rights and privileges. Ironically, or not, this is precisely what the English government did to the pre Revolutionary Americans, and what Mubarak did to the Egyptians, and what Assad is doing to the Syrians. Power, never chooses to relinquish a tight grip, particularly when it is so phenomenally financially profitable. Corporations are stealing trillions of dollars each and every year from Americans. That's trillions of dollars annually which they will spread around as much as necessary to ensure that we remain shackled to their labor gangs, until the entire gang unites to throw off those shackles and hold the whip masters accountable.

i am going to share Ramos story and hope that the powers that be here at current do that magic they do to bring it to the top. it is an excellect interview and helps put forward another aspect of Occupy that is missed and sorely needed to help the movement keep growing. The lies and fear of the system, "the man", the "establishment" as it was referred to in my day is fighting back hard because it knows its days are numbered. This is a fact of all human spirit killing cultural forms. We are seeing the events of today against women and people of color due to the facts of change brought about by civil rights, feminism, gay power and the ecology movement. In the decades after WWII white males dominated the culture, thus the taxes paid only supported those services they benefited from. When women, and people of color started demanding equal share of the sytem they paid into but were not benefiting from, when the planet's destruction had reached critical and people noticed and called for laws; the dominant white male culture decided to change the game to continue to benefit only themselves and their rich royal club. Thus free-market corporatism grew to the monster we see today. The message of Occupy, unlike the civil movements of yore, is not saying, give me my share, I want to be greedy too, it is saying the mind set of greed must die. Occupy will not kill it so much as give an alternative way of doing things that benefits all and heals the planet. Even though many do not understand what Occupy is about, the power elite do, very well. They see peace and truth, community and careing as a threat to their extracting tactics, enslaving tactics, fear mongering, chaos making money approach. I don't feel I am communicating this as well as many others, but I do understand what is happening.