Christianity is responsible for more deaths than Hitler and the entire holocaust.

You are talking about Islam and I am talking about Christianity today, but the extreme kind of Christianity that is the equivalent of the extreme kind of Islam that you have been pointing to. Don't you realize that the extremes get more play than the moderates?

The extremes are the ones who have a greater influence because the media hypes them up more than the voices of reason. The media gives them their fame and they gravitate towards it like moth's to a flame.

Westboro Baptist Church is a good example, but you can also look at Jerry Fallwell, Pat Robertson and James Dobson....you can look at the series of books and films based on the theology promoted by Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins who have made a killing off the sales of their book and are also the proponents of the video game where Christians get to practice killing unbelievers.

And you get to consider the "The Passion of the Christ" the biggest grossing movie about Jesus, that only focused on the so called murder of Jesus on the cross, and that movie which is over two hours long, only has 6 minutes in it that doesn't have a violent bloody gore filled scene. People who went to see that movie, that grossed over 400 million dollars world wide, voted with their money as to what kind of Jesus they preferred...a bloody Jesus. The whole Christian salvation rite is based on this bloody murder or sacrifice as they call it.

What kind of god of love that they supposedly serve is going to require such a bloody torture as was depicted in Mel Gibson's movie?

The killing is coming. You are getting hung up on the word "beheadings" which is the literal translation of the original word from the parable. The idea here is that Christians according to the interpretation of Luke 19:27 is that they will have to kill unbelievers in order to satisfy their king. The video game is a way to desensitize children to accept their role as "soldiers" for the coming Jihad. If you can't see that, how sad for you.

Islam and Christiandom are both Abrahamic religions, the one solitary group of religions that throughout history and into today despoil the essence of humanity, dignity and respect that we should all have for each other. Are Christians throwing acid in the face of women today? No. But what they are doing is pushing for societal norms that would not stand in the way of such behaviors. The current war on women's rights and on minorities in this country here and now is simply a stepping stone to control, and we do not need any more evidence of what happens in society when the Religion (not necessarily the religious) is given control. If Religion, specifically Christian Religion allowed to control this nation or any other we will be faced with the reality of stonings for disobedience of children, the imprisonment of rape victims for dishonoring thier family, the legitimization of slavery, forced incestual relations for widows, AND the killings of those who hold opposed oppinions. The history of religion is indeed just that, the history. But as long as Religions follow doctrine written millenia ago it is doubtless that if we forget our history we will indeed be doomed/blessed to repeat it.

What's up with the Lamborghini? Is this WWJD?

That is from the game. Christians in the game are equipped with incredible cars and special cars with which to kill the unbelievers.

Horrific . Horrible thing to teach kids ...

I think the article didn't specify, the point is that the guy was killed because he didn't believe in God...and that means that he wasn't a Christian from the killer's point of view.

You are fortunate indeed.

I am fortunate actually. Having visited other parts of the country I realize not everyone is so open minded. But my feeling is that demonizing an entire religion based on extremist views does nothing towards facilitating a reasonable discussion.

Note I will concede that I have made comments in the past that reflect my frustration with the fact so many of us still believe in God. Unfortunately, in order to "convert" people to reason, you can't back them into a corner. They will act like rabid dogs.

There are 45000 denomination of this "entire" religion as you put it. There may be many sects that would abhor and condone the interpretation. I do not condemn or denounce them. I am speaking about a powerful group of Evangelical Right Wing Militant Christians who are very actively spreading the propaganda of supporting the GOP and Wall Street with the intention of accelerating the fulfillment of their interpretation of the bible. These are members of a larger organization that used to be called the Moral Marjority and now Christian United for Israel and C Street and a host of other names....Tea Party factions come to mind. They are being spoon fed a lot of propaganda, but the purpose of this article is to expose the underlying rationale, the justification for such a position. They are using a parable to and taking it literally as a commandment. These same extremists point fingers at others, such as Christopher Bell and his Critical Race Theory which also relies on stories (parables) to make its points and derive its truths. There is not much difference.

Before you and I can enter into a rationale debate about this, you will have to see the film and perhaps study up on the history of the "entire" religion that you are defending. Because what you are suggesting is that a religion that carries on the same beliefs and dogmas from the earlier mother and father that they sprung from, carry no blood guilt for what their creators did? Are you seriously suggesting that Christianity today doesn't have to take into consideration what was done in its name?

This below is from the gospel of Judas. It is Jesus talking about interpreting a dream that Judas had. He is telling them that many people will kill in his name thinking that they are doing god a favor.

“Those you have seen receiving the offerings at the altar—that is
who you are. That is the god you serve, and you are those twelve men you have seen. The cattle you have seen brought for sacrifice are the many people you lead astray [40] before that altar. […] will stand and make use of my name in this way, and generations of the pious will remain loyal to him. After hi another man will stand there from [the fornicators], and another [will] stand there from the slayers of children, and another from
those who sleep with men, and those who abstain, and the rest of the people of pollution
and lawlessness and error, and those who say, ‘We are like angels’; they are the stars that bring everything to its conclusion. For to the human generations it has been said, ‘Look, God has received your sacrifice from the hands of a priest’—that is, a minister of error. But it is the Lord, the Lord of the universe, who commands, ‘On the last day they will be put to shame.’” [41]

This describes the kind of priests and servants, supposedly following Jesus, what they will be doing and justifying in this name.

As far as backing people into a corner. Why tolerate people who push this type of doctrine when we condemn people for being holocaust deniers or those claiming to have direct psychic contact with UFO's an aliens? Those people are marginalized and treated like tin foil hat brigades, but Extremists Christians who believe in the literal interpretation of the bible, including this parable that gives an order to kill the enemies of their King Jesus...that should be considered and treated in the same way as we would holocaust deniers and tin foil hat brigades.

This is why our country is so divided, because we give them too much room to operate and propagate this ideology and enter politics....that now we have people like Santorum, Gingrich, Bachman, Palin and more catering to these insane people as though what they believe is so very important. That is why I have taken up this crusade to expose this type of ideology.

from what ?

I am sorry , about your family , being so , hateful and fearful and all . I know more than i want to about that sorrow .

Yes, but the Fanatical Evangelical Militant Christians are well on their way to this program here in the us. It may not be beheadings, per se, but they do plan to eliminate and kill unbelievers.

It is people who are cutting off other peoples heads. it is people who are judging other people, it is people and their own free will who are full of hate! Wake up take responsibility! You are a fear monger and a hater of anyone who disagrees with you!
GO AWAY!!!!!

You need to change your meds. You are a little over the top. I have never cut off a head nor do I belong to any group which advocates it. I have no responsibility in this matter. Actually, if you read my posts and the post arrayed against mine you will see that the haters here are people such as yourself who disagree with what I say but have no tolerance for the fact that I say it. "GO AWAY!!!!!" is an excellent example.
Atavan works wonders

Link please because I cannot find any information on this. The post says beheadings, you say not beheadings per se. Which is it? All the beheading examples I find are muslims beheading Christians. Even the Baptists, rampant where I live, don't go down this road.

You forgot to capitalize the M in Muslim BTW. I'm sure it was an oversight.

Paratus, the quote used in the movie was from a different version of the bible then the one I chose, which is the New International Version. There over 30 versions of the bible and each one is translated slightly differently. At least two of them say beheaded, instead of killed.

Luke 19:27 WNT
Weymouth New Testament
But as for those enemies of mine who were unwilling that I should become their king, bring them here, and cut them to pieces in my presence.'"

Luke 19:27 SEV
Sagradas Escrituras (1569)
Y también a aquellos mis enemigos que no querían que yo reinase sobre ellos, traedlos acá, y degolladlos delante de mí.

Degollar in Spanish means "chop off the head"....I will find the English one that is translated beheaded.

The beginning post says , "Evangelical Christians Planning to Take Over US and Decapitate Unbelievers". It says nothing about the NIV of the Bible. Your example says what is printed in the NIV, it does not provide the backup for the statement made in the opening post.
Romans used to feed Christians to the lions. This does not mean that Christians are in danger of this today in Rome. It certainly would not prevent me from visiting there. The difference between the muslims and Christians regarding their literature, the muslims are still doing it.
I don't buy the assertion of this thread. This is not to say that individual people would not do this. There are psychos everywhere. The guy who killed George Tiller comes to mind. I just don't see an organized effort to accomplish this.

"oversight", yeah go with that if you wish.

It comes from a quote in the movie. You have to watch the movie to get it. Its based on the original latin word for what has been watered down in most translations to be slain, slayed, slaughtered, killed and destroyed. The original word mean "cut off the head".

Fair enough. I still don't see an effort by Christians to institute this.

Not yet, because they have to get the power at the top first, then they can put into action their policing efforts over the populace. But certainly all the ground work has already been laid out for them; Patriot Act, Homegrown Terrorist Act, Extraordinary Rendition, Indefinite Detention. The only left is to utterly equate patriotism with professing to be a Christian and then anyone who isn't a Christian would be considered an "enemy of the state."

All the enemies of the state in the Patriot Act etc. are veteran, gun owning, Christians. We saw the derision the current administration has with people who cling to their guns and religion. Anyway, THIS is why th Bill of Rights exists. To protect us from the majority. Thisis why a pure democracy is so bad. We need to return to the republic concept our country was founded on so your fears and mine do not materialize.

I don't think is only veteran, gun owning, Christians that are being singled out, its also the radical white supremacists, the militant christian soldiers and assorted other militant religious and ideological factions...those who are willing to use their guns against the government.

Cute.

Thank you Unimatrix

Exactly, but they don't see it that way.

I'm 100% with you, but tell us how you REALLY feel, no really, let it ALL out! ha,ha,ha,ha,ha......

Honestly , i think these people could use a serotonin boost or something , because it just is NOT a survival trait , not for an individual nor community .... unless you want perpetual war . Because always , a percentage of their own young will not fit into the mold .... without going psychotic .

It is indeed a fascist mentality , that spreads into the public sphere !

That was a great article! I liked the "one pope to rule them all" line. All of them have been dark lords in my opinion.

Excellent article Sis, the author put words to much of what I have thought for far too long!

Pwr 2 atheist peons! Get religion OUT of government!

Thank you so much.

You're welcome.

Gald you liked the article, Wyley.

Thanks, Sis!

Pwr 2 atheist peons! Get religion OUT of government!

Amen.

Thou doth protest too much.

We get it, you consider yourself to be a moderate or perhaps even a liberal christian. Good for you. Your missing the point because you are not a fanatic fundamentalist evangelical who believes that the world is going to end in their lifetime. Or do you? Are you ?

We are talking about the plan here in the US...the world will come later.

I think the gay people and children murdered in Uganda and all over the world should be considered here . Why murder children ? Because they are witches , according to the religious elders . Not children with treatable illnesses . I think Pagans are far more persecuted . Historically if you are female , christians are a danger to you as well . The only way to prove you were NOT a witch was by drowning . Then the church gets your property .

There are Christian organizations who have been operating in Uganda pushing the issue and legislation.

Christians are persecuted in other countries because they are audacious in their preaching and they don't respect cultural values of others they are attempting to proselytize.

There may be a good reason for that . Have you ever asked yourself WHY that might be ? What do they ALL do , in those countries , that might really annoy people ? Do you think there could be something ? 16 is a lot of countries against you .

Yep been going on for years .

Since 2008 .

I notice you do not denounce them . What you do not say can speak volumes . You have not said , "i as a christian m , denounce these barbaric acts against children , women and gay people . All people are deserving of kindness and respect , even if the do not believe ." People with real convictions will fight for them . Even against their own . It is rare that christians do this . I admire MKL because he did .

REALLY ? Are you interested in history ?

You do not teach history , unless it is at a bible school . I used to work at a bible school too .

Its not a Catholic phenomenon, its a Evangelical American Christian phenomenon. You won't find many examples in Europe because of the enlightenment, but you will find lots of examples of extremist christian behaviors in Asia, Africa, South America and North America.

You may have taught history of mathematics , you have little grasp of it , in this arena .

It is common for zealots to take the concept that someone does NOT believe them , hook line and sinker , unquestioningly , as an insult . Apparently it is a crime to be skeptical with some of them . You have TAKEN offense , because i THINK for myself AND i found your argument unconvincing .. Yet , i have not required you believe every word i type as well . I readily admit my mistakes even . Because i allow people to BE . I suppose you might feel that i shame you . If so , perhaps you might also ask WHY would i do that ? What good does it do me ? It does me no good to do so , at all . What does me good , is for me to THINK . Study and asses . There ARE a wide variety of christians . They are not stopping the tide of subjugation and ruin i see looming on the horizon . A new dark age will be upon us all IF no counter can be found . Just like ancient Rome .

I did not tell you to believe ME on the grounds of my education . That MY belief was IN valid .... Now , is not that a bit of an insult ? No it was your ego insulted you , not I .

I have read the bible many , many times . I was looking for something i could only find in myself . The value of the feminine , nurturing and acceptance of nature . I read the bible 12 times looking for it in the "good" Book . It wasn't there . I DID find that jesus was WAY more decent that many of his followers . So little of him is in that book . I DID find war without provocation . Angry entitled judgement and shame based fascist thinking . Have you ever read the book of Margaret ? She wrote only things Jesus actually said ... in his lifetime . Too bad that was NOT included in the bible .

#1 , The book of Margaret was found with the dead sea scrolls . It is a record of what Jesus actually said , when he said it . How could it possibly be anything like Jefferson's bible ? #2 Why do you think they keep the old testament around ?