So the only way we can get stem cells is from aborted fetuses is it? I guess admitting we can get them from umbilical cords and lots of other places doesn't work well with ongoing religious B.S. does it? The very notion that someone with religious belief would even try to understand something that is so far above your ability to comprehend is deplorable. Just leave this kind of thing to the adults, and when you need to save yourself or a family member from a debilitating disease or life threatening injury, then give us your opinion.

Fyi Mr. Stoner, even with the watered down, edited for the imperialists pleasure Bible we have today.... One of the largest religions, Christianity, yeah well their prophet had a few good policies that are repeated in the "gospels".

Those would be;
"Free Food"
(as demonstrated by him offering it, and dare I say "stealing it" at least once according to laws at the time, and making a statement about man being far greater than the fouls of the air whom God feeds FREELY.),

"Free Medical Care"
(exactly who paid for a healing?),

"And Fuck Taxes, and the Rich"
(as demonstrated by converting a tax-collector into a disciple, by turning over the tables of the "money changers" at the temple, and by his continued rhetoric about it being awfully hard if possible for a rich man to get into heaven.)

Maybe you should define your view of "religious" by what the scriptures say, not by what Atheists masquerading as "Christians" using religion to manipulate others say/do, and not be so hateful?

Bet life gets awfully boring living within the confines of stereotypes.....

FYI Mr. Obsolete, there is not one shred of archeological or historical evidence that your Christ ever existed. The stories in that ridiculous book never happened. Do you actually believe the Romans would have killed a miracle worker. How f!@#ing long do you think it would have taken the story of a man who could raise people from the dead, cure leprosy and restore sight to the blind to get back to Octavian? F#@k scripture. When you get sick it will be science that saves your a$$, not the laying on of hands by some pedophile priest. Religious people as delusional isn't a stereotype, it's a likelihood. I will give you the same challenge I have given people in the past. I will give up everything that organized religion has given me, and you give up everything science and technology has given you. Sound good? My life will not change in any way. You however will be standing naked in a field. The weaving of cloth is a technology too. Oh, and by the way, morality is the gift atheists give the world, not murderous, raping culture killing religions.

"Oh, and by the way, morality is the gift atheists give the world,"

What arrogance. No group corners the market on morality in this world. And if you truly wish to see proof of Christ's existence, research the Gnostic Gospels. Using the BIble only as a crutch here to attack those you yourself despise is not very moral is it? I admit I myself do not place faith in the BIble particularly the old testament and find some who continually push it over the meaning of Christ's words to be hypocritical, but I get tired of reading the acidic intolerant messages from those who think they are so far superior to others because they don't believe in Christ and the light we have within us that he was here to guide us to. It is possible to see a higher reason for us being in this world and to also respect the wonder of the healing it brings to us both spiritually and scientifically. I would deny no one the chance to have that if they were truly in need of it.

How much morality was there before secular countries came into existence Jan? If countries like the U.S., Canada, France, England, Australia, the Scandinavian countries and any other country that is secular based were theocracies, do actually for one second think they would have the level of morality they do now. Not a chance. Look at the difference in morality between theocratic and secular countries in the world right now. These immoral, theocratic countries are not living in the 1500s because of chance. They are living in the 1500s and do things like stone women to death because they have religious based governments. Anyone who thinks religion has anything to do with the rise in morality over the past 200 years is once again trying to take the credit that belongs to secularism and atheism and hand it over to religions that would have had nothing to do with it,and would reverse it, given the chance. Who has the superior mind Jan, someone who believes the Easter Bunny really exists, or the person who knows it's just a fairy tail?

Nice skating around the context of my response.

I wasn't skating around anything. The level of morality in the world right now is a direct result of secularism and Atheism. The moral light that you have within you does not come from anything religious. It has been nurtured by the fact that you live in a secular country. Tell me, is the Republican attack on women's rights moral? Is their attempt to set back the gains women have made over the last 50 years not an immoral thing to do? Of course it is. What are they more than happy to tell us they are basing this immoral endeavor on? They tell us every day that they are basing this incredibly immoral act on their Christian religious beliefs. Immorality has never had a better and more effective platform than religion.