Well said!

Glen is my new hero....

Yes, "act professionally" was good advice to that idiot, Glenn.

I like how the man at the end jumps in with "Save your opinions..." that should be a Mitt Romney campaign slogan.

Excellent!

Good thing for Glen that Mittens didn't have scissors...

whatever gets you to sleep at night...youre wrong...but, nighty night.

LOL I see the Rightwing Extremists PANICKING and a Democratic Landslide coming ;-)

Yes, they are getting frightened. It really shows. It will be all over for them in 8 months when we have a Republican Executive, House and Senate.

Gets hard with all the lies, and flip-flopping!

Yep! The truth is always best. Even if you have to admit ya screwed up.

Not lately. I prefer Accuracy in Media and the reports I get from my membership in the Heritage Foundation and FreedomWorks. But Drudge is very good, too.

And he wants to Legalize the weed. ;-)

Do you miss the 17% mortgage rates and "misery index?"

Yep, and I miss the 90%+ income tax that the top 1/2% were suppose to pay when we got out of the great depression too. But the 17% tax is not really why I miss Carter. Carter was actually honest with the U.S. public. He did not sugar coat things to make the population feel better. He saw problems like U.S. consumerism and told the public that the amount of resources that we consume was a problem. Guess what, it was and it still is.

I see someone voted me down for saying that Carter supports Legalization. Some people are still brainwashed by the Prohibition Dogma that has been Proven to be a complete Failure.

Well said!

Well, there is a difference between lies and optimism. Think of it like your students, your spouse, your children or your friend. Do you tell them the "reality" of how BAD things are, or do you give hope and encouragement? Do you tell them to adjust to the most depressing and cynical and negative things you call "reality," or do you remind them that even though they must exert much energy, they are made of the stuff that enables them to do just that and realize their dreams?

You take Carter and his negativism and malaise. I will take Reagan's optimism and belief in the American Founding, spirit and people anytime.

"Do you tell them the "reality" of how BAD things are, or do you give hope and encouragement?"

Who says you can't do both? A responsible person tells people when times are bad, how bad it is, and what is needed to solve the problem that caused those bad times. So go ahead and take Reagan's optimism, it doesn't make his economic policies (Reaganonmics) work better than any other snake oil, but it does make the stuff easier to swallow.

You distorted what I wrote, pulled a sentence out of context. You conveniently left out the part that I wrote they must exert extreme efforts to better the situation.

I suppose you evade answering the essence of the question, just as you conveniently avoided the other question that I asked you before about race on another thread.

Yeah, I kinda ignored that because that is exactly kind of thing that Carter did and I made an assumption that you did not mean to imply that Carter did that. Sure, Carter did not blow sunshine and rainbows up the collective backsides of people, but he told the public that they could solve the problem and how to do it.

Carter told the American people that they would have to settle for less, that they would have to redistribute the remaining wealth that could not be increased.

Reagan proved otherwise. We entered one of the greatest increases in national wealth in the 20th century.

True! ronnie raygun's great crusade, or was it more dragon-lady nancies? Total bull$h!t waste of tremendous resources then and since, and now holy-dogma with the right-wing-corporate-fascists as it's associated with their holy-and-infallible-saint. ...and they must "stay the course" till the absolute lunatic end.

We entered one of the greatest divides in class under the Reagan administration. Yeah, technically our national wealth increased immensely, too bad the middle and lower class citizen never saw much of that. Trickle down economics did not and does not stimulate the economy, it has currency fester and pool in the pockets of the über rich who do not spend enough to keep the economy going. Sure, the rich provide jobs (most of which don't pay all that well unless the people have decent union representation), as long as their people are buying the products to sell, but when people don't have enough money to buy products the über rich tend to lay people off before they dive too deep into their own pockets.

As far as basic needs, the rich do not buy as much food, they do not spend as much on vehicle repairs, they do not spend as much money on home repairs, and why? Because the über rich make up a very small percentage of the population and as a result do not need to spend as much on consumer products as the bulk of the U.S. population. Yes they can be greedy, but really, how much more can they spend after having ten or more cars and three or more vacation homes, excluding the family mansion? It makes more sense to tax the rich more and use that money to put people to work maintaining and rebuilding roads, buildings, trails through national parks, rehabilitating destroyed forestland, etc. Pay people a fair, livable wage to do good work and those people actually SPEND money on things they need and can afford anew! And that money that the spend goes to pay the salaries of other poor and middle class workers so that they can afford to cover their basic needs. FDR did that prior to the second world war, AND IT WAS WORKING! Oddly enough Hoover did the tax cut and austerity bullshit that conservative politicians seem to think is the holy methodology and for some odd reason the depression was getting worse.

Oh, and not to dodge the comment about Carter... Yes, Carter told the American people that they would have to settle for less. If the United States wanted to have a sustainable economy then the American people would have to make due with vehicles that got better milage, homes would have to be more energy efficient... in a nut shell the American people would have to stop being the 5% of the world population that used almost a quarter of the daily consumed resources. Well look at us now, Gas is getting above $4.00 a gallon and most U.S. citizens are having their own little freak out session because they have such a hard time affording gasoline. We're behind the rest of the modern world in terms of energy efficiency and fuel economy, and the only reason that most of the rest of the world is paying for it along with us is that they got suckered into investing in our economy. Most of Europe would not be in the same boat as us had they not gotten tied up in our economy before the collapse set up under Bush's watch. Curious too, wasn't Bush's basic economic plan a mildly "updated" version of Reaganomics?

Most don't. Haven't you seen his approval ratings?

Totally agree, he's a habitual Liar!

I saw some CNN poll showing he's got a higher approval rating than President Obama. I live in a predominantly red state, and most of the idiots here just flocked from froth to fluff like lemmings.

I just saw a day or 2 ago that his approval rating was 38% He needs to do a lot better than that to win a race.

They don't, they just hate Obama.

In the latest Readers Digest it's reported that (in the U.S.A.): 20% of people believe that the sun revolves around the Earth, 47% Don't know how long the Earth takes to make an orbit around the sun, 41% think dinosaurs and humans lived together like the Flintstones. Obviously there's enough dumb fux around who think he's presidential material. Yes, let's cut education some more and home "skool" more kids to grow up to vote republican.

"From Froth to Fluff" - Excellent line!

When I find out why so many believe Obama after all his lies, I may have your answer. I'm guessing it's blind support for whatever party you support.

If I was a republican party strategist I would punt on the white house and concentrate all the $$ on senate and house races.

Don't you know that homeschooled students have higher levels of reading, writing, math, science, and social studies achievement?

We need a voucher system as well as increasing the home schooling student population.

That's the simple truth, they just can't abide a man of color (or a man of actual intelligence!).

I also know that some of the home school materials being used is outright fraudulent. ie: The age of the Earth is around 8000 years, The dinosaurs and humans living together bit, rewritten history of slavery are just the most blatent examples. There's also the parents who didn't pull their kids from school for religious resons who ARE makeing sure their children receive a great education but they miss out on socalizing with their peers. So yes, as strange as it is, I actualy agree with your first sentence. However I must "respectfuly" disagree with your second sentence. See, we can actualy agree on some of the things we talk about here, just not most of the things however.

From your point of view (and most people's point of view), those things are "fraudulent." But that could miss a bigger picture which is the underlying belief in God and the Bible.

The "rewriting of slavery?" The Left has conveniently written its history. When I see the conclusions about the Founders and their attitudes concerning slavery from most Leftists, the revision is quite repulsive.

"There's also the parents who didn't pull their kids from school for religious resons who ARE makeing sure their children receive a great education"

Parents pulling their children from school for religious reasons absolutely - repeat, ABSOLUTELY - does not preclude their children from getting a great education, of course. I fail to see any reason to make such a statment.

"they miss out on socalizing with their peers"

That is not true, at least if we look at the point of the ability to make friends, fit in to the society of their peers, having social satisfaction and confidence. In fact, it is my observation (and remember numerous references to this) that they are socially better off - friends, maturity, self-confidence, and so on.

When vouchers were correctly carried out, they worked. In D.C., they worked out based on excellent studies that I can explain. And they cost HALF of what the GOVERNMENT schools cost.

Very well said, it is very frustrating.......indeed!

That is not accurate. Prosperity increased during the Reagan years.

Good one! :)

Hell yah! LOl....

Agree, but I would prefer Incinerated.

Then we would all be impoverished, probably groveling for roots and berries.

Well, the Left resorts to violence when people dissent from their dogma. The variation is imprisonment or locking people in some kind of place similar to the Serbsky Institute.

lol..thats a new one to me..very good

Thanx, a friend of mine said that to me.

Fact.....much of that 5 trillion was just just putting 2 wars (Bush's) on the books that had not been. Money spent already but knowing it needed to be put on the books. But thats Obama's fault I guess, thats some of that old Beck math I guess!

Kenny, all I did was quote the article. I understand that it may upset you but thats all I did.

Fact: Wars that could have been stopped by obama.

Fact: Wars that obama said during his campaign in '08 he would stop.

Fact: HE DIDN'T

My good friend he said the Iraq war would end if elected, he said the right war was Afghanistan and he did exactly what he campaigned on about eliminating the terrorists there and in the region. Did he put the war spending in the budget that for 6 years wasn't?

So you dont have any problems with spending money on "the right war"

What exactly is it we are fighting for over there? obama declared the war on terror over. Why are we still there spending money we dont have?

I have a real problem with the Afghanistan war and it's continuation. The Job is done, I do also realize the Political points the Right wing always uses when calling a Democrat a cut and runner (Remember that?) I do also realize those that have served and those that have family's of service members who have paid the ultimate price need reassurance we get out honorably.

I disagree. We just need to get out. I dont think we will ever be able to get out with any honour.

Aaaargh (part II). Why do so many people on this site appear to believe that we live in an absolute monarchy instead of a Republic based on representative democracy and separation of powers? "Obama" has not, by himself, amassed another $5 trillion in debt. He does not, and never has had, that power or authority. Yes, he submits a proposed budget - but it is only a proposal. Congress reviews it and can adopt all or portions...or flush the whole thing down the toilet.

Obama essentially inherited three wars (Iraq, Afghanistan, and the so-called "War on Terror" generally, which encompasses far more than just those two countries and far more than just the Middle East). He also inherited the worst economic downturn since the 1930s. More importantly, he was handed massive annual deficits from the previous administration.

Regardless of who was elected President, Congress would continued to have run a massive deficit to pay for the wars and the massive spending increases associated with homeland security. Obama and Congress JOINTLY decided on a package of spending initiatives AND major tax cuts requested by the Republicans in an attempt to jump start the economy. In the latter case, the aspect that is so frustrating to me is that people refuse to analyze the effects of the spending and tax cuts in the context of where the economy was headed at the time he took office versus where the economy is not and instead somehow (fantasy island) compare where the economy was at that time as though it had somehow stabilized and all Obama had to do was ram policies through Congress to lift it from there.

The economy was in free fall when he took the oath of office! His first task was to persuade Congress to adopt policies to stop the rapid decline and THEN to encourage growth. The difficulty of this task in an economy as large and complex as ours is staggering. Of course, Obama also had to pray that the Supreme Court - in my opinion dominated by some of the least accomplished and most short-sighted justices in the past 50-60 years -- did not overturn the joint efforts of Obama and Congress to slow the fall and slowly turn the massive boat of our economy back in more or less the right direction.

Finally, people seem to also live in some fantasy world where the President and Congress were foisted upon them by aliens. WE elected them. At the end of the day, WE are responsible for the deficit and the national debt. We can't scream for government to save the economy and then not give them any money with which to do so. That is absurd. What are they supposed to do...just have a giant prayer meeting and ask God to pretty please turn the American economy around without any government investment or policy initiatives to slow and stop decline and encourage growth?

So if you don't vote, I am not even interested in hearing your opinion. If you vote but don't encourage others to vote then while I am willing to listen, you don't impress me as really being all that interested in affecting government policies. People who think that a small number of votes doesn't matter have already forgotten the "hanging chad" election that foisted that idiot Bush on us..

Good Question. Why did JFK get his head blown off? The Military Industrial Complex's long arm and heavy hand is more than any President can deal with. Thats the reality, and until we can get Corporate America out of Government there in lies the problem.

Tell that to the family's and those who have served. Just saying, thats politics my friend.

Obama" has not, by himself, amassed another $5 trillion in debt. He does not, and never has had, that power or authority..........The same could be said about Bush yet so many here on current don't see it that way.

I might also ask how many times you corrected a liberal when they said the same things I do about obama.

I see your point but my guess would be that many would just want the war to end so others didnt suffer the same fate they did.

I know if I lost a loved one I would just want the war to end so others didnt have to feel the loss I felt.

I get yours as well, we always seem to talk it out my friend! :)

Thats what rational people do right?

Nice talking to ya Kenny.It's always a pleasure.

I will.

Elephants and asses fucking the masses.

Most just sit around with one thumb in their mouth and one in their ass wiating for "their party" to yell SWITCH. Then they wonder why they have such a shitty taste in their mouth when in reality I bet it can be directly tied to their voting record

And bring a tradition to a screeching halt? LOL...

Fact: Combat has ended in Iraq and US combat units have been removed from that country.
Fact :Combat forces are due to removed from Afghanistan in 2014.
Fact: He eliminated Osama bin Laden (another campaign promise)
Fact: The economy is improving and is on track to register a budget SURPLUS. Something we haven't seen since the Clinton Administration.
Fact: Unemployment is decreasing
Fact: Conservatives hate facts.

True enough, ihate. I am not sure I am in a position to "correct" anyone, but I can engage them in discussion or debate. There are a few complexities such as the degree to which Bush initially engaged the (very expensive) armed forces via his emergency powers prior to obtaining Congressional approval - though of course he ultimately received Congressional approval - by lying about the existence of WMDs in the case of Iraq.

But you are correct that Bush could not have accomplished those massive deficits on his own. He had to have the complicity of Congress. Also, the Supreme Court could conceivably have struck down the spending if it was for unconstitutional purposes. There was no way our conservative court was going to do that - but it was conceivable. If I recall correctly, both houses of Congress were controlled by Republicans until the middle of Bush's second term. Democrats controlled both houses for the first half of Obama's first term. It is easier (but not a "done deal") for Presidents to get their way on spending issues when their party controlls both houses of Congress. That, of course, is no longer the case for Obama.

...and, of course, to be fair to me, I don't exactly run around this site trying to find liberals OR conservatives to "correct." I just click on a few articles that interest me, read some or all of the posts to that point on the article in question and kick in my two bits before going offline and about leading the rest of my life...

OK, given my awful propensity for long-windedness, more like 4-6 bits.

One other thing, I HAVE posted my objections to this idea that we live in an absolute monarchy in response to liberal posts. It has become one of my sore spots over the past few days - though it has always frustrated me - such that I finally decided to post those frustrations. So I probably have a number of people who are unhappy with me from both sides. If you want to get in line to take a swing at me, I have to warn you it probably backs up around the block...always good engaging you, though, ihate. At the end of the day, I would happily sit down with you for a cold beer regardless of the differences in our political philosophies.

there it is...bush's fault. if the wars started in 2003 why didn't bush show a 5 trillion increase in the national debt....oh they didn't show in the Books??????Our government isn't allowed to use NOL for accounting purposes.

Good set of facts Mark. Thank you.

Then you will listen to me. I turned around literally dozens of people in 2008 and 2010 and got many lazy people out to the polls.

Of course, I approach people very differently in real life than I do on these threads. I have some key and effective ways to either turn around the fence sitters and to get the unmotivated to vote - All for Republicans, of course. People respond to their personal hopes and dreams, and they really vary.

I can tell you with certainty that I am responsible for literally dozens of votes for Republicans, and I hope to keep increasing my effectiveness. I am doing something these months that is geared specifically to just that purpose.

We WILL take back America.

He got his head "blown off" by a committed Communist. The rest is conspiracy and paranoia. We can say for certain that the Leftists killed him. The Leftists also assassinated another president.

So there are NONE, ZERO nada, nyet troops in Iraq?
I will have to check that. I dont believe it.

NO troops are not leaving in 2014. Talk to me in 2015. We will see who is right.

He eliminated OBL with the help from previous administrations. You cant deny that. If you do you are delusional.

Again with the forecasted shit. BULLSHIT to be exact. Call me here when there is a budget surplus. I wont be hearing from you for decades.

Unemployment is going down because people are dropping out,retiring, or just plain ole dead. If you are really that easily fooled into thinking the economy is getting that much better I have a few bridges to sell you

Fact: Conservatives hate facts? Show me a link that PROVES that. If you cant show me that from a source other than here, huffingPAINT post, or some other liberal rag your other facts will be treated much in the same way as this ones is. FLUSH

Oh hell bud, I'd sit down and have a beer with you too. Its always a pleasure "discussing" things with you.

That seems like a pretty long line. I can't see you upsetting that many folks

Have a good weekend.

There is only one other candidate that has a shot and he is the President. I think whatever he is guilty of lying about is in the public record!

Oh I think otherwise, especially on the right wing radio circuit or FOX TV>

What I find interesting about the MSM is the fact they don't report that Romney is an Arch Bishop in the Mormon Church, a cult! And any Christian would really take that into consideration I would think......14 million mormons is hardly mainstream...