all the while giveing out big bonuses and shipping jobs overseas. Thats the American way

That is the UNION way.

Hey thanks for helping me get that middle of the road badge. it should be coming up pretty quick.

Naa I'm pretty sure that big Corp is none union. You see the folks that move the jobs over seas are just a little bit bigger than you think Yes Yes I know even a small company can have things made in Japan or china.

Reagan did not have any Alzheimer's symptoms during his Presidency. That is simply Leftist gossip.

His fascist, imperialistic "policies" sure stank of paranoid dementia.

Nah, I have to agree with Mishima on this. There is no evidence that Ronald Reagan developed his Alzheimer's while he was president.

Ronald Reagan was extremely anti anything socialist to the point of paranoia long before he entered politics, when he was a B actor. The problem is that Reagan presented socialism like a high school mascot pushing his team. Instead of presenting a realistic depiction of both socialism and capitalism, Reagan presented socialism as an evil concept and capitalism as the equivalent of a religious savior from socialism's evils. The truth is that both systems have their strengths and weaknesses and both are easily susceptible to corruption which disenfranchises the majority both economically and politically. The problem with this is not so much that people have a bad view of socialism, but that people seem to view capitalism through rose colored lenses and seem to either shrug off, ignore, or dismiss problems when the occur in a largely capitalistic economy rather than address them.

Hog Wash !

Excellent rebuttal.

Actually it is complete bullshit. Reagan makes the argument that socialized medicine is bad because it will do things like prevent doctors from practicing medicine in certain areas because those areas will already have enough doctors.

It does not, nor has it ever worked like that in the majority of first world nations with socialized medicine (that is pretty much every other first world nation). Reagan is using a scare tactic that equates all socialized medicine with the economic practices of the communist dictatorship, the former USSR.

Just thought I'd point out, it is cute how you vote yourself up.

I suggest you listen to Reagan's speech.

Yes he was suffering from Alzheimer's while still in office. Alzheimer's take years to do what it does to the brain not just a few months. He was showing signs of it in 1985 during his first term.

Yes, but the fact that he called Nancy "mommy" and allowed his schedule to be governed by an astrologer were so endearing - *sarcasm* BTW, have you ever read the love poetry he wrote to Nancy? Personally, I don't understand why his estate allowed it to be published, but I have rarely read insipid, shallow, childish writing from an adult.

He had nancy whispering in his ear as is well known and documented. If not for her hand up his backside wonder if he could have "functioned" at all, even to the ruinous imperialistic-fascist way that he did. This country is still haunted by his mad "policies" to this day.

No it is fact. Just because you don't want to believe it doesn't make it so. The time line is there to be seen by those that have a real understanding of the disease. Here is what his own son had to say..."Three years into his first term as President … I was feeling the first shivers of concern that something beyond mellowing was affecting my father."

But I guess you knew him so much better than his own son.

I did listen to Reagan's speech and it does not change the fact that every other capitalist first world country, besides the United States, has socialized medicine and virtually none of the concerns that Reagan gives voice to about how socialism sneaks in via socialized medicine to steal the rights and glories that people get via capitalism have come to pass in those nations.

But it does. I lived on the local economy in Europe and saw what socialized medicine does. Suffice to say that I actually went on a black market for medical care. The fact that one even exists says something.

You can choose to believe the hate-filled propaganda and gossip, but the FACTS are incontrovertible:

Ronald Reagan was examined by doctors regularly, and when his Alzheimer's was caught in 1990s, it was in VERY EARLY stage.

"[During his presidency] Mr. Reagan ABSOLUTELY did not show any signs of dementia or Alzheimer's.'' (Emphasis added.)
-Dr. John E. Hutton Jr., Reagan’s attending physician from 1984 until the end of his Presidency

Notice the word by the doctor: ABSOLUTELY.

From the NY Times, October 5, 1997:

"Even in hindsight, Mr. Reagan's friends and former aides said that they, too, had seen no hint of the deterioration to come. And while they acknowledged that he had occasional memory lapses as President, especially when it came to names, many said he had had these problems for years, certainly since he was Governor of California"

"The first significant hints that Mr. Reagan was crossing that fuzzy line into dementia, his doctors said, did not come until September 1992, three years and eight months after he left office."

I provide facts and you provide GOSSIP AND HATE.

You can choose to believe the hate-filled propaganda and gossip, but the FACTS are incontrovertible:

Ronald Reagan was examined by doctors regularly, and when his Alzheimer's was caught in 1990s, it was in VERY EARLY stage.

"[During his presidency] Mr. Reagan ABSOLUTELY did not show any signs of dementia or Alzheimer's.'' (Emphasis added.)
-Dr. John E. Hutton Jr., Reagan’s attending physician from 1984 until the end of his Presidency

Notice the word by the doctor: ABSOLUTELY.

From the NY Times, October 5, 1997:

"Even in hindsight, Mr. Reagan's friends and former aides said that they, too, had seen no hint of the deterioration to come. And while they acknowledged that he had occasional memory lapses as President, especially when it came to names, many said he had had these problems for years, certainly since he was Governor of California"

"The first significant hints that Mr. Reagan was crossing that fuzzy line into dementia, his doctors said, did not come until September 1992, three years and eight months after he left office."

I provide facts and you provide GOSSIP AND HATE.

you can belive what you want and i will belive what i want I have nothing to gain from him being sick in th head or not he is not my hero.

It is not a matter of "belief." It is a matter of fact. And the facts are clear.

To believe in rumors and deny facts would result in not clearly understanding the events of the 1980s.

Just wish I could vot you up twice on that one, MSII.

wow and you thought he was paranoid

while i would like to give his son some credit he is an ultra liberal lefty who was estranged from most of the family, so i tend to take some of his analysis with a grain of salt. im sure his father was greatly disappointed.

seems like because of those policies most of the socialist nations of the world have gone or are going tits up

I say the dust farting old fuck was out of his god damn mind I really don't give a rats ass what you think. Him and his kind are wanting to destroy this country and line their pockets while doing so at any cost to the public.

" I lived on the local economy in Europe and saw what socialized medicine does. Suffice to say that I actually went on a black market for medical care. The fact that one even exists says something."

Well I'd have to ask a few questions in regard to your experience.

What nation where you in?

What did you require treatment for?

Depending on what you required for, how old were you?

Where you considered a citizen of that nation?

"seems like because of those policies most of the socialist nations of the world have gone or are going tits up"

That is a curious statement, as it seems like it is because of the unregulated capitalist policies of our own nation that have almost caused our nation to go tits up.

Though a few of the nations in Europe are having troubling economic times because of their insane employee benefits, mainly Greece, most are having to tough through the troubles of national economies that are trying to go tits up because the economies of those nations were strongly tied to the economy of the United States via U.S. banks. Most of the European nations that are now having economic troubles were not having said economic troubles until after the housing bubble in the United States popped as a result of being artificially inflated with bad loans and loaning practices.

"seems like because of those policies most of the socialist nations of the world have gone or are going tits up"

Yes, but it goes beyond pure economics. There is how it affects the psyche of the population also, the morals and so on.

As an example, when I lived on the local economy in Europe, I was considered a "fool" because I did not do the following:

Go to a doctor and claim back or head pain, etc. If I did that, I could get time at a spa, up to a week where I stay there, go into the baths, get massages, everything. And the "government" pays for it.

I will admit, I was tempted: Get a week off from work and lie around a spa.

But I simply could not do it. The socialists considered me a fool for not doing so. This is but one example of the mindset.

You will not believe another: When I opened a bank account, there was an attractive young lady there. She asked if I were willing, or if I knew someone, to impregnate her. I ain't kidding!

She was well-educated, pretty, etc. It seems that she could get two years at full pay if she had a baby. She openly said that she simply wanted to quit working for awhile.

These are but a few examples of what SOCIALISM does to people.....

It is not what I "think" about the great Ronald Reagan. It is what I KNOW about him.

I had a work visa. I since have citizenship in the Left-winger paradise.

Why the other questions?

The main reason I got medical treatment - for me and for my kids - was that if one goes to a doctor's office in a socialist country, one has to wait and wait and wait. For hours to see an exhausted doctor. The treatment is "free," you see. Free stuff. Free government stuff.

A friend of yours was He? I'm sorry

same could be said for obama and his ilk

the questions are really irrelevent to the decaying countries under the weight of top heavy social programs

nice spin, too bad it has little merit to the facts at hand

Spiffy, so are you going to answer the other questions?

What nation where you in? Telling me you had a work visa and have a citizenship in the Left-winger paradise means jack shit to everyone who is not you.

What did you require treatment for? This is not asking why you went to the black market for medical care. This is asking what ailment required medical treatment. Answers to this question could include but are by no means limited to, broken bones, cancer, severe infections, etc.

I should be clear: When Left-wingers make requests, there are two things I do not provide to them -

1. Sources, links, etc. There is no point because they ALWAYS - without exception - conjure up a way to deny the sources.

2. Personal information. Liberals have a way of using it to insult and make personal attacks. I remember on one forum, I revealed something about my parents, and the Liberals wrote the most obscene and vicious things imaginable. It was later, of course, but I wrote in disagreement with their ideology, and they used that information.

I was clear about the reason I went to the black market for medical treatment. Please read the post.

As far as the country goes, I will reveal this much: It was among those whose citizens had the highest incomes in all of Europe. BEFORE Socialist taxes, that is. The SOCIALISTS took HALF of the gross income. Mind you, gross income, not after deductions or anything like that. HALF. If basically reduced our very high combined income to a level of almost poverty, but there was all this "free" stuff, so.....

There are a few of sad things about your response.
1) I am not asking for information of a specific personal nature, I am asking for information of a very general nature. Telling what European nation you worked in is not a very personal question pertaining to your previous location. Also, welcome to the anonymity of the internet, it makes people assholes, and no offense meant, but you are no exception. Its ok though, neither am I.
2) Yeah, people conjure up ways to deny sources. That is not limited to the internet. IT. HAPPENS. IN. ALL. DEBATES. AND. ARGUMENTS. Not putting up sources and using such excuse is a tactic commonly used when someone has jack shit to back up their argument. I'm not trying to be an ass by saying this, I am dead serious.

As for how clear you were, you were about as clear as a stirred up mud puddle in your previous post. I will admit, it is difficult to give an answer that is too vague for a question that asks for a vague answer, but I will be damned if you could have given a more useless answer to either answer or divert the actual question.

"As far as the country goes, I will reveal this much: It was among those whose citizens had the highest incomes in all of Europe. BEFORE Socialist taxes, that is. The SOCIALISTS took HALF of the gross income. Mind you, gross income, not after deductions or anything like that. HALF. If basically reduced our very high combined income to a level of almost poverty, but there was all this "free" stuff, so....."

Again, that is wonderful information that means exactly jack shit to anyone else except yourself or anyone who very personally knows you. The statement offers nothing as far as useful information goes and only consists of vague statements that, for all us other readers know, could be and is complete and total bullshit.

If there's any justice at all their mad-saint burns in his well deserved snake-handler hell for eternity for his endless crimes against humanity.

Yes. Please take a look at the video I posted near the end of this thread.

His comments as Governor were great. He once said he would approve of government spending for laundry machines in Berkeley.

Once, when New Leftists surrounded his car with the fatuous signs, "make love, not war," Reagan just smiled and said, "They can't do either."

One long-haired, unbathed, street protesting Left-winger screamed at the great Ronald Reagan, saying "I'm the future." Reagan replied, "Well, in that case, I'm selling my place and moving out of here."

Remember when a radio mike was not off and Reagan was heard to have said, "We begin bombing the Kremlin in 5 minutes?"

No, it is an excellent articulation of truth.

Yes, your absolutely right. I couldn't agree more.

do as you wish. it wont change the truth

Your absolutely right, I couldn't agree more. ls

"When I hear old men or young boys talk about communists, Marx and Lenin. Then I know they are either a government shrill or a government pawn. It's the same old same old left vs right rubbish that has exactly nothing to do with nothing."

That statement itself is actually propaganda.

But rather than present information to support that just yet, I would rather ask you a question or just something to think about:

Marxism-Communism really entered America in the late 19th century, actually in popular magazines where the Manifesto was first published. It inspired a revolution almost a century ago, and then other revolutions across the face of the planet. It was a major factor in world politics for SEVEN decades, and a large portion of the planet lived under it. The Manifesto is required reading for most college students today still. There was concern over its spread and infiltration. And so on.

First question: Do you deny this?
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Next: It was only a bit over 20 years ago that Communism officially ended in the Soviet Union. Not long at all.

Question: Do you think that the belief systems, the ideologies around it, the thinking of the people who lived under either its iron fist, fear or influence has simply disappeared? That is, do you think the influences of the vision simply no longer exist? THAT is the essential question for which I hope to get a rational and well thought-out response from any Left-winger on this thread, but I have little hope.

Deny what? You got it wrong granddad, I don't align myself with any government, politics or ideology. I look at what is said by both parties in the mainly two-party system and most of it I think is a pile of shit. I don't trust a single politician for even a second, I've met too many of them and I've heard what they say in private and in public. They say 'the secret to power is never to tell the truth", and that's the only truth you get out of them unless they are telling you how corrupt they are when they think no one else is listening.

The two major parties in the UK, US, Australia, NZ and many other countries are centrist.
Neither left wing or right wing but consisting of some factions that may be left or right leaning, but mostly we hear a pile of drivel scrawled down by lazy journalists who don't want to spend the time researching the facts and scrutinising the comments made by politicians. Instead we get the same old 'rinse and repeat' 24 hour news cycle that's frankly not good enough to wipe my arse on.

The statement itself is not propaganda. I've cleared stated an opinion, not repeated someone else's propaganda.

Your comments remind me of the same old stuff old boys were saying back in the 1960's when they ran banana plantations in other people's countries they referred to arrogantly as "The backyard", propped up tyrannical governments (some of them Communist) and funded many coup d'états to overthrow democratically elected governments. It didn't matter what form of governments were put in place as long as they did what they were told.

How would you feel if your government was being overthrown and another government was funding this?

As far as your comments about communism are concerned I'm not really interested. The communism you talk of is so socially insignificant in Western nations and has so few people participating in it over the last few decades it's pretty much irrelevant in mainstream society. Anyone continually banging on about it either is so isolated they don't realise or is simply engaging in propaganda. Any old communists still alive are part of small segment of a senile old generation who no one is interested in and no one wants to listen to (and that goes for their opponents too), so I wouldn't lay awake at night worrying about it if I was you.

By the way, your catholic priest, he was most likely upset about the priests in Chile that were being executed by Pinochet's death squads.

What is stated in the paragraph just above that very question.

Brilliantly said!

and thats a shame

Under the great Ronald Reagan, we prospered, were brought out of the Carter "misery index," gained world standing, ended the Communist threat, and became the rightful leaders in the world once again.

So well and truly said! His madman's "revolution" was bought and paid for with a merger with the worst of lunatic fanaticism. What a witches brew they made their "revolution" with, fanatics and fascism!

only for those with closed little hypocritical minds

No, depending on which account one reads, 17 MILLION to 21,000,000 new jobs were created in American when the great Ronald Reagan was in office.

About 20 million jobs were created under Reagan's presidency.

drug and alcohol counselors and rehabs?? That and prison guards

No, I do not believe that the public should pay for drug rehab programs. Just jail for cold turkey.

See how thick you are Those are the jobs he created Prison guards and rehabs

I just made a statement about junkies and drunks going cold turkey.

and I just made a remark about the jobs being in the prisons and rehabs. They were low paying jobs that take no real skills to do.

Shouldn't have any "rehabs." Just a jail cell. End of story.

then why would your god reagan create so many rehabs?? The republicans are the ones that created the very mess you are complaneing about. Yet you want to put it on the democrates. Thats just what the republicans have done all along. They get into office make a mess of things then say they didn't do it.

Well said! So true! They break government from the inside at every opportunity through either design or their own insani-tea party fascist incompetence, then turn around, point and shout "See government is evil, and doesn't work, only holy-Mammon-full-of-greed can save us!"

Notice his "compassionate conservatism" showing! Gotta just luv the money-worshiping right-wing-corporate-fascists! So much mendacity, so much spin, spin to put a dervish to shame...

When you can't tell the truth you have to spin the lies to make it sound good.

I literally can't think of anything truthful those people say, or promote. It's all lies. Their "policies" nothing but foulest mendacity. And as Big Daddy so rightly said, it smells like death!

Don't know why the man Ronald Reagan would have created them. In fact, I do not have that data. Notice that I am not doing what Left-wingers do: I am not calling you a liar, and I am not demanding "sources" and "data" to later deny as Liberals ALWAYS do.

I could find all the data and supply soures if you want. well Ok if I wanted to I just don't fill like doing so

"I could if I wanted to," implying that one's statement is valid without any evidence, and that it should be taken as such.

Revealing, very revealing.....

bro, stop sending me links! When i send you my stories, i don't see you on them and if this is going to go one way, i don't think we can see each other any more. I'll take the kids, you keep the house.

Do you need your blankie and Ba, Ba?

That was hilarious! :)

What was is like for YOU before him ?

Don't let him keep the Steely Dan CD's, he'll just sell them online.

Last year, I had spinal surgery in Sarasota, Florida. Sarasota is mildly Republican. However, the condo where I stayed (Pelican Cove) for three months was different, I found out. I walked around and every bumper sticker I saw was of some kind of Left-winger nonsense.

Well, I thought, "gotta do something about this." Went on line and ordered a bumper sticker on rush delivery. It was simple. A bit of an American flag and the words, "I miss Reagan."

There were no closed garages. Anyone walking by could see it.

Good fun....

I sure like it.. . and dearly miss his good ol' classic common sense.

...that would be keeping with right-wingers... they never want to take any responsibility after the embryo actually becomes a real live child!

if there's any justice at all their mad-saint burns in his snake-handler hell for eternity for his endless crimes against humanity.