Devout Christian Carrie Underwood catches huge flak from country fans for supporting gay marriage
source: http://tasteofcountry.com/carrie-underwood-supports-gay-marriage/
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http://tasteofcountry.com/carrie-underwood-supports-gay-marriage/
A few days ago, Carrie Underwood gave an interview in England in which she came out in favour of gay marriage. Her and her husband attend a gay-friendly, liberal non-denominational church, she said.Not surprisingly, she has faced a huge backlash of anger from her country fans. People have left all sorts of comments to the effect that they will never listen to her again, they're very disappointed in her, they have lost all respect for her, she is "disgusting," etc., etc. Some of it is really hateful from people calling themselves "Christians." Hundreds and hundreds of comments I found, a real firestorm of hate and rage.
Of course, I admit when it comes to gay marriage, a celebrity is not going to win expressing any opinion. If you come out against it, I'm sure she would have received some backlash from gay rights groups, but I don't believe like this.
Here's a couple of comments that stood out to me:
"It looks like Carrie is not the believing Christian she claims to be. Read the Bible again and repent Carrie."
"Wow! God destroyed 2 cities in the Bible because they were full of homosexuality. So, Carrie and her husband supports gay marriages while calling themselves Christian? A church who is gay friendly? Are you serious? Talk about an abomination."
Here's what I love about these two comments. These two people are talking about Carrie being a false Christian ... yet Christ, the religion Christianity is named for, NEVER preached against homosexuality, not once; homosexuality is never mentioned in the Gospels. The one guy referring to Sodom and Gomorrah ... an old Hebrew testament ... was written more than a 1,000 years before Christ was born and had nothing to do with Christ. Really interesting, I think.
[reposted because Current was on the fritz yesterday]
http://tasteofcountry.com/carrie-underwood-supports-gay-marriage/
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FallSapphire
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Carrie impressed me with her Africa trip. Why is it Christianity seems to be confounded by openness, acceptance and love. I love that she loves.
- 11 months ago
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FallSapphire
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DEM46
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Not surprising from a bunch of homophobes that parade around in shit-kickers, black hats, and drive Ram trucks jacked up 2 ft.
Shouldn't surprise anyone at all.
- 11 months ago
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DEM46
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maasanova
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No disrespect to HarukoHaruhara, but Carrie Underwood didn't come out supporting gay marriage, she was asked her opinion on gay marriage and gave a vague answer that she thought was good enough to appease those in favor and those not in favor of the issue.
In other words she was set up in her interview. And as Underwood is as you say, a "devout Christian" and a married woman, one wonders why she was asked that question in the first place.
It's like asking a meat eater what they think about vegetarians.
Because there is no evidence to say that she supports gay marriage, here she is in her own words.
"I was asked a difficult question in the last five minutes of an interview and I answered it the best way I knew how, and after that I do what I do and I love making music and I generally try to stay out of any kind of controversy," Underwood, 29, told The Associated Press Tuesday.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/carrie-underwood-faced-backlash-fo...
What her Christian supporters said in response to the interview is a seperate issue. They were likely responding to the headline, which is not what she said.
It's obvious that most people, including more moderate Christians (ie most Christians) don't care on way or another but it is constant shoved down our throats and we are continually forced to take a side.The gay lobby knows that most people don't care, so articles like this are written constantly to force people to take a side on the issue. Forcing the public to take one side or another is wrong and divisive.
Forcing people to take sides is a strategy that was written about by in the 1987 article "The Overhauling of Straight America", by Marshall Kirk. The strategy is meant to disensitize people to homosexal issues. Think of the constant media bombardment like Chinese water torture.
When people mention a "gay agenda" this is what they are referring to. I will be writing and posting on this soon, and it will piss people off but I don't care. Some things need to be said.
- 11 months ago
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maasanova
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HarukoHaruhara
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maasanova:
Well, here is the original article from the Independent:
"Does she ever struggle, I ask, to square her religion with the progressive, gay-friendly mores of the music industry? "Our church is gay-friendly," she responds, seeming suddenly energised. "Above all, God wanted us to love others. It's not about setting rules, or [saying] 'everyone has to be like me'. No. We're all different. That's what makes us special. We have to love each other and get on with each other." Then she offers a totally unexpected, unequivocal endorsement of gay marriage. "As a married person myself, I don't know what it's like to be told I can't marry somebody I love, and want to marry. I can't imagine how that must feel. I definitely think we should all have the right to love, and love publicly, the people that we want to love.""
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HarukoHaruhara
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maasanova
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HarukoHaruhara:
"Then she offers a totally unexpected, unequivocal endorsement of gay marriage."
That's not a "unequivocal endorsement of gay marriage."
If you didn't know the context of the interview, someone could just as easily claim that Carrie Underwood was referring to interracial marriage, and a headline could have been written that she supports interracial marriage.
Sorry, she didn't say that she was in favor of anything except people being able to marry who they want. The Independent claims that she said that she is in favor of legal marriage for all, but that's not even close to what she said.
Gay advocates simply chose to run with that interpretation because it supports their agenda.
Underwood was just being politically correct and obviously didn't want to alienate any of her heterosexual or gay fans.
She said her church is gay friendly. Big whoop. I've been saying that most mega churches are very liberal and very-pro gay for some time now.
You want to know where "all the good Christians are" well just go to Underwood's church and most mega churches and they are all there.
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maasanova
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HarukoHaruhara
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maasanova:
But she never said she was misquoted or quoted out of context. She didn't say the article got it wrong.
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HarukoHaruhara
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covelogibbs
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I'm starting to like Carrie. I won't go so far as to listen to her music, I'm not a country fan, but it's good to hear someone standup for what's right, even if it's not in their best interest commercially.
http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/soulsurfer/I reccomend watching "Soul Surfer," the true story of Bethany Hamilton, which has a nice cameo of Carrie, playing the part of one of Bethany's religious group leaders. Carrie did a great job acting naturally, now I know why. She really is religious and apparently............. open minded too.
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covelogibbs
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youngdebater
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this reminds me of the Dixie Chicks with Bush some years back. But anyways her "fans" arent really her fans because fans stick with their favorite band/musician or whoever no matter what they say or do.
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youngdebater
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attilatheblond
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So, her fans loved her right up until they found out she is not a reflection of every one of their opinions?
Pretty much says it all, doesn't it?
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attilatheblond
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mrpuma2u
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Wow, these Xtians sure like to trot out Leviticus, but have they stoned anyone to death for wearing make up? Being a witch? You can't cafeteria shop the old testament for verses you like, and ignore really scary ones right next to that verse.
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mrpuma2u
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attilatheblond
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mrpuma2u:
As a witch, I have to sadly report some rocks have been thrown in my direction, generally by people wearing clothing of mixed fibers.
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attilatheblond
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mrpuma2u
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attilatheblond:
Mixed fibers? You mean like a poly-cotton blend? All kidding aside, if someone threw an actual or verbal rock at you for having other-than-xtian beliefs, I am sad to hear that. You seem like a nice, reasonable and pleasant person to me from your posts.
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mrpuma2u
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attilatheblond
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mrpuma2u:
Verbal rocks and real rocks. Yep. By people holding bibles with their other hands.
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attilatheblond
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DEM46
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attilatheblond:
Religion = tolerance, oh wait, nothing could be further from the truth.
That hypercritical way of living is one reason that I gravitated to Atheism and when I really investigated their ways I really had no choice if I wanted to remain open-minded and live my life as I saw fit.
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DEM46
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cztheday
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I agree, Haru, the God of the Old Testament and the God of the New Testament almost seem like two different entities - especially if one accepts that Christ speaks for the God of the New Testament. As you say, there is no Christ in the Old Testament. Further, there are many devout Christians who support gay marriage. In fact the polls make such a conclusion unavoidable.
A narrow majority of Americans now support gay marriage, and that kind of support would not be possible without some level of Christian support. The lack of support for gays among some Christians is, at least IMHO, a distortion if not an outright rejection of Christ's fundamental message of tolerance and love for one's neighbors.
My one recollection of Christ's anger in the New Testament had nothing to do with gays - it was against money lenders. Given recent conduct on Wall Street, he likely had good reasons for his anger at them for bringing their business into the temples.
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cztheday
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attilatheblond
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cztheday:
"My one recollection of Christ's anger in the New Testament had nothing to do with gays - it was against money lenders. Given recent conduct on Wall Street, he likely had good reasons for his anger at them for bringing their business into the temples."
And there, folks, is the reason TPTB keep people's hate focused on contrived wedge issues. Yep, it was the money men that the master was pissed at/about. But the money men don't want us to dwell on that.
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attilatheblond
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HarukoHaruhara
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attilatheblond:
Yeah, see, Jesus went apeshit on their monkeys!
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HarukoHaruhara
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Vierotchka
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cztheday:
Jesus also said:
Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
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Vierotchka
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jackhole
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She should turn the other cheek or get into a war with madonna and lady gaga.But let give her credit for being more evolved than her fans.
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jackhole
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Incredulous
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slightly reminiscent of all the crap the Dixie Chicks got for apologizing for the stupidity of dubyah....
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Incredulous
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jimstoner
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The Christians are just letting her know that she can not be a true Christian unless she is filled with vile hatred. Christianity is a cult of hatred. I have yet to meet a single Christian who isn't intellectually bankrupt and full of hate.
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jimstoner
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Vierotchka
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jimstoner:
Your description of Christianity is erroneous - most Christians in the world are nothing like your description.
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Vierotchka
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jimstoner
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Vierotchka:
Your right, I have met some Christians that were not full of hate, not so you could tell. I do see however that 61% of North Carolinians oppose gay marriage. 84% of North Carolinians self identify as Christians. Almost 3 out of 4 Christians want this right denied to the G.L.B.T. community in N.C. It is the Christians who are responsible for the denial argument. How can other Christians say "Yes, it is an agenda of rights denial led by Christianity, but don't get angry with Christianity, 1 out of every 4 Christians are for gay rights".
It does not make any difference if some Christians don't agree with the message, it is predominantly a Christian message being expressed almost exclusively by Christian leaders and right wing politicians. I did go overboard, but how are we to take this Christian message. It's not about hatred, it's a question of morality? Please. The more Christianity tries to influence politics, especially in the negative way it has met this challenge, some people will just become more disillusioned and distrustful of religions.
Is denying rights to fellow human beings really where American Christianity wants to be in 2012? What if they succeed, who will need a morality adjustment next? Much more work to be done!
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jimstoner
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attilatheblond
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jimstoner:
I have met many Christians who walk the walk. Xians, on the other hand.....
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attilatheblond
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attilatheblond
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jimstoner:
Consider: People can label themselves anything. Whether the labels are accurate or not is another matter. Why, there are a lot of congress critters who label themselves as conservatives who want to lower the deficit. The reality is they are radicals who don't really give a damn about the deficit, or they wouldn't be so opposed to raising taxes on the wealthiest individuals and corporations that are profitable while receiving a lot of various governmental funding help.
Labels. Schmables. If they walk like a vulture and talk like a vulture, they can call themselves humming birds and it doesn't change their smell.
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attilatheblond
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mrpuma2u
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Vierotchka:
Gotta agree with V there, those people are just calling themselves Xtians to fit in. There are not many in this world who can really walk the walk that Yeshua-ben-Yosef walked. Just for the record I am no longer a follower of the "lamb of god."
Just because they stand in a church for 2 hours a week does not make them christ-like. I can stand in my garage for 2 hours and I will not become a car, or even a mechanic.
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mrpuma2u
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bike10
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Same devout Christians who give pass to Newt, Rush, Donald and company on there many marriages.
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bike10
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attilatheblond
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bike10:
Are those the same ones who blamed Clinton for making their children aware of oral sex?
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attilatheblond
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MSII
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She took a step outta the goose-stepping line, so of course they had themselves a fit! Good for her, having a mind of her own and not "keeping in her place" as they would define it.
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MSII
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cpad
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Good for her. We need more straight people speaking out and standing tall with their LGBT brothers and sisters.
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cpad
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kennymotown
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A lot of male country fans are latent homosexuals anyway. I mean really wearing chaps these days.......whats up with that?
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kennymotown
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MSII
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kennymotown:
Ha! Ya made me LoL! :) too true, too true!
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MSII
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Incredulous
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kennymotown:
well thanks for the fashion update there kenny....LOL!
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Incredulous
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rerushg
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Yeah, well, they got their camos in a wad about the Dixie Chicks too. They got over it when they (begrudgingly) realized the Chicks were right. Kudos to Carrie for being not afraid to fly her freak flag.
Reminds me also of the hip-hot artists who came out hard in their music following the Rodney King/LA riots debacle and saw their contracts and promotion get tossed by the record companies. Ice-T said it best when describing free speech:
"You can talk about anything, you just can't talk about something." - 11 months ago
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rerushg
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MSII
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rerushg:
""You can talk about anything, you just can't talk about something.""
That's a great quote! Agree!
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MSII
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unimatrix0
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News flash: Many Christians are angry bigots, using religious superstition to promote hatred and ignorance.
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unimatrix0
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Vierotchka
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unimatrix0:
And a great many are not. But then, I don't live in the US, so the many Christians I know are for the most part good people, open-minded and accepting of Gays, Muslims, Jews, etc.
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Vierotchka
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Incredulous
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unimatrix0:
thank you for choosing to use many and not all....
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Incredulous
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HarukoHaruhara
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Incredulous:
Or even "most..."
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HarukoHaruhara
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Vierotchka:
There are many Christians in the United States that are not angry bigots, the problem is that the ones who are loudest and get the most limelight are the ones who tend to be bigots and assholes and those are the ones who end up being the face of the whole because the rest do not usually put up enough of a commotion to distinguish themselves from the assholes.
An exception is the Westboro Baptist Church. They are extreme assholes and other Christians make a very big effort the not be associated with them.
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Varex_Sythe
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Vierotchka:
Two female mormon missionaries were at my door today ... i think they were told to stay away from me ... they vanished so fast . They had been talking to my uneducated authoritarian neighbors ..... I think there is a real conflict ... they want to be the good guy , yet dictate life for others at the same time . Can't be a good guy , if you're NOT . They often point to a book of some sort . There are SO many different kinds of christians here . each one jostling for position and political power . I really get tired of it . Christianity is just a brand name . If they keep abusing it , it will not be salvageable .
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artemis6
