Jan, this does not have anything to do with "race" but everything to do with "illegal" and the ramifications. The federal government seems to think, and 5 justices agree, that the states must absorb the crimes perpetrated by illegals, the welfare payments, and the lack of enforcement of the current illegal immigration problem. The "system" is not broken as many say, it is just ignored. Obviously the people of Arizona were tired of being the scapegoats and footing the bill for this and wanted relief. Unfortunately SCOTUS further eroded the sovereignty of Arizona and, by extension, all the other states, in favor of increased central government power. The question I have is, how much longer before the people of Arizona take matters into their own hands. Those who support this decision may remember the law of unintended consequences when you remove all power from the people and give it to a non- funbctioning central government.

What happened to states rights? Arizona is hit bad by illegal immigration. The hoards of people sneaking across the border. Why can't we work with Mexico to get the people who want to come here to do it legally?
This is just such a mess. Eroding states rights over the large mass of people invading this state. It hurts everyone.
Maybe the supreme court should force everyone in the border states to host a immigrating family in their own home. That's what this amounts to. We all pay for this mess.

The states have ceded their authority to the central government. We have a process for citizenship but it seems to not work as fast as some would like.

well yeah, a lot of these posters think they should get their citizenship papers as soon as they sneak over the border.

That is the point that bothers me the fucking most - this idea that there are roving gangs of illegal Mexicans raping, pillaging, and plundering while frightened white citizens cower in their corners. That is NOT EVEN CLOSE to what goes on here in the border states.

FACT: The vast majority of border towns, cities and states are experiencing the lowest crime rates per the population than anytime in the last 30 years or more.

FACT: Obama has deported more illegals than any other administration in the history of this country.

FACT: Obama has more border agents on the border than any other administration in the history of this country.

FACT: The flow of people trying to cross the border is the lowest since these numbers have been tracked.

It is ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT that there is an illegal immigration crisis in this state or anywhere in the country that warrants this type of ridiculously racist immigration policy.

This was a completely made up and drummed up issue for many reasons, but the biggest two were money paid to GED Jan and Russell Pearce by the private prison company that runs our state prisons, to craft SB1070 in order to increase arrests of illegals so the private prison company could bilk more cash from the Feds and to the state of Arizona. Prior to the passing of this bill, Arizona was already paying this company over 11 MILLION a month!!! The second reason was to froth up the massive sea of old senile retirees that come here to die into believing that there were headless bodies in the desert, murdered old people lying in the streets, and roving gangs hell bent on ruthless violence and if they didn't vote for them, they'd be subject to daily violence and mayhem. Not to mention they threw in the gem that every illegal Mexican was a drug running mule. The moment after Russell Pearce and GED Jan got re-elected, the issue went away and we heard NOTHING about until now - another election year! This is a Republican made issue that they have done nothing on but kick it down the alley until they can make political hay from it, then it suddenly becomes another emergency.

Sickens my stomach to watch GED Jan, Russell Pearce, John McCain, Mittens, and the rest of them vomit out nothing but complete lies and bullshit about the state of the problem.

If the supreme court over rules Arizona's laws on immigration. The mess WILL return. And so will the hoards return.

You are obviously a Fox News (cough cough) viewer since you are displaying the signs of being grossly misinformed about anything and everything regarding this matter. Since SB1070 was NEVER enacted because of the immediate suit filed by the Feds, this law had absolutely NO impact what-so-ever, nor would it have, other than to further bankrupt the state, cities, and local law enforcement agencies as well as elevate it higher in the polls as the most laughable state in the union. Since you haven't taken even a split second of time to actually read SB1070, you don't have one iota of a clue what was in the bill you are trying to credit with impacting illegal immigration. I'll give you the Immigration for Dummies version. It added NOTHING to actual enforcement that wasn't already on the Federal level and being enforced. The only thing it did add was making it a traffic violation to stand on a street corner to solicit for work, making it a traffic violation to stop and pick up migrant workers if you block traffic. It also made racial profiling legal as well as open local law enforcement to lawsuits by the public if they felt these cops and agencies were not enforcing SB1070.

Please, either educate yourself on the facts prior to attempting to vomit out stupidity, or run along back to Fox where you can mingle with the other clueless masses.

If the feds were handling the situation why the creation of the 287 g program, and why did Mr. Obama yank Az.'s 287 g program and not just shut it down altogether ? Thinking that illegals don't gravitate toward sanctuary cities, and now populate rural states, is a foolish stand at best.

What's your opinion of contractors using illegals to hang drywall, run wire/pipe, lay tile, etc, do you see it as a big savings for home buyers or as a factor depressing the wages for legal Americans ? Oh, Oh I know, we must unionize the illegal laborers to push the wages back up.

So in order not to be "profiling" the state decides to interrupt the illegal labor practice by going after the "employers" that cruse the HomeDepot/illegal labor spots picking up those workers.

Lawsuits against LE Agencies not enforcing the laws on the books is an attempt to disband these sanctuary cities thru funding depletion, a classic leftie activist lawyer maneuver. Sucks when it goes the other way doesn't it ?

I'm not going to argue that there is some serious politics going on but frankly, GED Jan, Russell Pearce, Jon Kyl, and John McCain made this into the 'emergency issue' to gain political capital and when they got what they wanted, the issue went away. Jan Brewer defiled her own bed and now she has the fall out to deal with. The only thing that I can see regarding 287(g) is in the following article:

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security today rescinded agreements that allowed seven Arizona law enforcement agencies to check the immigration status of suspected illegal immigrants, further hindering the state’s ability to enforce SB1070 following the U.S. Supreme Court’s landmark ruling today.

DHS announced that it was terminating its 287(g) task force agreements with the Arizona Department of Public Safety; the Florence, Mesa and Phoenix police departments; and the Pima, Pinal and Yavapai county sheriff’s offices. Those were the only agencies left in Arizona that had street-level 287(g) agreements.

The federal agency also announced the nationwide suspension of the program, saying it would no longer sign new agreements with state and local law enforcement agencies.

Several Arizona police agencies also have 287(g) agreements for their jails, which allow agencies to check the immigration status of anyone booked into jail. Those agreements will remain in place, according to DHS.

In addition to the revocation of the 287(g) agreements, DHS announced that its agents would not respond to the scene of calls from Arizona law enforcement officers who want the agency to take custody of illegal immigrants, unless those suspects met the criteria it established for its enforcement priorities. DHS said its prioritizes illegal immigrants who are convicted criminals, deportees who have returned to the United States, and people who have recently crossed the border illegally.

DHS in December revoked the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office’s 287(g) task force agreement in response to allegations from the U.S. Department of Justice that the agency and Sheriff Joe Arpaio engaged in widespread racial profiling and civil rights violations against Latinos.

Sorry, GED Jan squared off with the President and she got her ass kicked... there are repercussions for acting like a complete white trash tantrum throwing idiot and these are it. Obviously the only sliver remaining in SB1070 gets totally eliminated by the Feds revoking 287(g) for several counties.

However, please note the paragraph that said the agency suspended the program for the entire nation!!! They didn't just single out Arizona.

As for hiring illegal aliens - it is a double edged sword. If companies could survive in hiring American workers, then they would. However, consumers make the choice to buy cheap products from companies that hire them instead of paying the higher price from companies that don't, so the consumer plays a HUGE part in this problem. It is very easy for people like yourself to sit back in your chair and rant about the illegal immigration problem in the same instant you are purchasing products from the store that are harvested by companies hiring illegals.

I just paid $85,000 for two large house renovation projects that I could have easily paid half as much hiring companies using illegals. I chose to do the right thing by hiring a contractor that used only American construction workers so I put my month where my mouth is. I also buy my produce from the local farmers market from companies that do not use illegals. Doubt you can say the same!

I'm guessing that your interpretation of how Sheriff Joe and his deputies do their jobs and treat Hispanics would drastically change if he started rolling up to you, based solely on your skin color and where you were standing, asking for your papers, then throwing you down on the pavement, cuffing you, and detaining you just because you didn't happen to have your papers on you at the time. There are millions of legal Hispanic residents that would have been subject to this type of harassment and or treatment and quite frankly, that isn't the type of country our founding fathers crafted!!!

I'm all for controlling the flow of illegal immigration but it just isn't as easy as stopping every single person, that hasn't done one thing wrong, just because they were walking /driving/standing while brown. There are smart ways to reform it and fix the holes, and there is a wrong way. GED Jan and klan did it entirely wrong and for the entirely wrong reasons and when it doesn't line their pockets with private prison money or benefit them politically, they ignore and vote against any attempts at fixing the problem.

Well as to your statement of

" If companies could survive in hiring American workers, then they would."

They can if all companies utilize legal labor, when one company uses illegals unchecked the others must follow suit or go out of business. In the contracting arena it's called bidding a job. Why the pro illegals always default to the "salad fields" to bolster a position is beyond me, illegals are working in a lot of, what used to be, well paying areas, but all that makes the papers is the "who would tend your lawn, pick your salad, or clean you motel room" statements.

As to sheriff Joe "rolling" up on folks, I'm pretty sure that the Lib Lawyers are crawling over any and all questionable actions that may occur under his purview, it's how they self fund, heck the Sharpton has invoked the Holder against Joe, for 3 years, and have come up with a smattering of abuses. Where's the Beef ?

Want to reform immigration policies, the first step is to shut the door on illegal immigration thru employment and public benefit policies and then we can deal with the illegals and their children that are here. As has been reported by the left, something that they said could not happen has occurred, self deportation has occurred. The factors behind self deportation are varied between economic and Law Enforcement activities so it is possible to stem the flow of illegals into the US if it is desired.

"I'm all for controlling the flow of illegal immigration but it just isn't as easy as stopping every single person"

One could start with the public school system, gather up the birth certificate and the immunization records and sign the kids up for school.

Run queries on the IRS data base and see how many different state of residencies are listed to a single ssn and investigate findings.

E-Verify, then prosecute non compliant employers. Yes there might be some bugs but those will wash out in a court of law.

Final thought, if there were no illegals the private prison industry wouldn't benefit off their misfortune would they........ Treat the disease and not the symptom.

you really should include edit tags when you revamp your comment from the original comment.

"I just paid $85,000 for two large house renovation projects that I could have easily paid half as much hiring companies using illegals. I chose to do the right thing by hiring a contractor that used only American construction workers so I put my month where my mouth is. I also buy my produce from the local farmers market from companies that do not use illegals. Doubt you can say the same!
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So you saying that illegals have driven down the wages of legal construction workers by 50%, quite a chunk I'd say...

Any way so you go to the lengths of researching/verifying companies to avoid funding illegal workers but you don't have a problem if others want to hire them...… there must be a word for that sort of logic.

I reckon you should keep your personal insinuations to yourself.

"However, please note the paragraph that said the agency suspended the program for the entire nation!!! They didn't just single out Arizona.
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"The federal agency also announced the nationwide suspension of the program, saying it would no longer sign new agreements with state and local law enforcement agencies."

Seems that the operative word here is "new".

You said:
Any way so you go to the lengths of researching/verifying companies to avoid funding illegal workers but you don't have a problem if others want to hire them...… there must be a word for that sort of logic.

I have no idea what you mean by this? In my original statement I said that the consumer has a HUGE liability in creating this problem because they choose to buy/patronize companies based on cheaper price tags due to hiring illegal immigrants! I do not condone it but also realize that I can do nothing about it politically. I can do something about it with my wallet so I do investigate places and businesses I do business with to determine, if I possibly can, the labor source. If you decide to buy cheaper carrots from Dole instead of a local farmer that does not hire illegals based on price savings, then yes, you are part of the 'demand' side of the illegal immigration equation! As long as Americans continue to patronize companies and buy products/services from companies known to hire illegal immigrants, then we will have people willing to enter this country illegally to pick fruit, pick veggies, work construction, do landscaping, build pools, etc. for much cheaper wage! If you purchase products from these companies, then you are supporting the illegal immigration problem.

As for saving 50% using illegals, that is absolutely true! From materials and labor to the fact that I would not be filing for permits - I could have easily saved 50% on that bill! However, it is my house and I want a bonded, reputable contractor that I can trust to build what I need securely and safely! If there was a problem with the work, I know that contractor will make it right immediately.

As for the personal insinuations, I am simply stating that I doubt you even remotely lift a finger to research/determine if the products you buy, the companies you hire, the retail stores you patronize, or the food products you purchase are processed, picked, or provided by illegals. I'll stand by that!

No, they suspended it nationwide and would not be starting it up again with new agreements. Not sure what is so difficult to understand about that

"It is ABSOLUTE BULLSHIT that there is an illegal immigration crisis in this state or anywhere in the country that warrants this type of ridiculously racist immigration policy."

An immigration policy that targets illegal aliens is not a "racist" policy. Immigration policy should not reward people who have snuck across the border and lived here and it should not preclude a state from enforcing its own immigration laws. We are either a nation of laws or we are not. This president has made a mockery of the law and actively campaigned against what is supposed to be a sovereign state protecting its borders.

Wouldn't it be nice if the fed's would do all of that checking for you, but it seems that they don't want to do it, instead they welcome lawsuits from the states trying to recoup the cost of illegal immigration....more treating the symptoms.

Hey I report all the illegals I see wandering thru the desert, carrying those one gallon milk jugs filled with water. So how many illegal aliens have gone back to Mexico due to your strict buying guidelines ?

I see your insinuation as an attempt to shift the responsibility of the illegals being here from the fed to the citizen, and then when the citizen(Arizona) wants to take action to do what the fed won't you are in the front row shouting them down. And folks wonder why I'm a crabbyoldguy.

An immigration policy that was written by white a supremacist organization, enables and promotes racial profiling, and penalizes those agencies that don't racially profile is a racist policy!!! Passing a law that enables law enforcement, without a hint of any illegal activity and/or probable cause, to pull over a car containing a person(s), or approach a person(s), solely based on the color of their skin, their clothing, the way they walk, the music they are listening to, the accent they have, or the language they speak, OR just because law enforcement suspects, or has a gut feeling, or has indigestion that leads him to believe a person is illegal - and that allows them to question, detain, arrest, jail, or interrogate that person to ascertain their citizenship status is a racists policy and is not the USA.

If that person is committing a crime, a traffic violation, has a tail light out, or there is probably cause to enable the officer to legally question that person, the that officer can approach and investigate.

There is a huge difference between the two scenarios. As I have stated a thousand times on this subject - SB1070 was a horrible bill written by white supremacist organizations, paid for by private prisons, including politician contributions and favors, and did nothing but put the cities, law enforcement agencies, and the state smack in front of defending and paying for lawsuits and legal settlements as a result of trying to enforce an unconstitutional law or not enforcing it enough that prompts even more lawsuits to be file - The unconstitutionality of this bill was absolutely confirmed yesterday by the SCOTUS.

BTW - I suggest you read the Constitution of the US - the President is not the one making a mockery of things - it is Jan Brewer and klan by trying to enact laws that they are not constitutionally empowered with enacting or enforcing. It is not the sovereign right of the state to protect the borders of this country - that jurisdiction is within the bailiwick of the Federal Government. The Federal Government is acting properly in this situation and it is the state that is absolutely in the wrong. Again, that was confirmed yesterday by the SCOTUS!

"No, they suspended it nationwide and would not be starting it up again with new agreements. Not sure what is so difficult to understand about that

Perhaps you can post up the link to the press release you are referring to, from what I can cypher some articles imply that it's been pulled nation wide and others directly refer to AZ.

Nothing on the ICE website.

SCOTUS and their dedication to the Constitution.

Kelo v. City of New London

Stay focused and on the subject topic old man - this is about SB1070 in Arizona!!!

Don't have TV so we don't watch FOX. I'm not sorry for the state upholding the law against ILLEGAL immigrants. What don't you understand about illegal?

citizens are going to patrol the borders with guns

1 in 6 people in arizona is an illegal.
if you don't think it's tantamount to an invasion obviously you don't live in arizona.

See my comment below about her adding much more Gin to her already Gin saturated coffee this morning! The woman is not even remotely intelligent or close to reality on a good fairly sober day - today, isn't one of those days. She is no doubt on the 5th or 6th cup of her 'special blended' coffee at this point in time!

Thats just an Evil looking woman. I wonder is that ann colters mother?

You should see her on days she didn't have somebody apply the inch of makeup - holy moly she scares even the headless bodies in the desert

http://current.com/community/93820802_arizona-immigration-law-gov-jan-brewer-cla...

She believe this is a victory, because she's going to ignore the ruling. Just like she know there's a bunch of skulls out in the desert.

stand your ground rules there also or don't ask don't tell or don't show

Oh my - they are frothing at the mouth right now!!! I was having fun slapping them around for a bit but had to actually stop! There were just too many posting too quickly to get responses - plus I had to get some work done!

I saw them all declaring victory ... because of one provision that was upheld ... but the Supreme Court said people can still sue over that provision if they feel it is being applied in a discriminatory manner.

They are taking a "wait and see" attitude on that one provision and essentially said we might overturn it later depending on how it is being applied.

This law was such a disaster on so many levels!!! The state, cities, and local law enforcement agencies are going to get the ever living shit sued out of them on a daily basis if they even remotely start arresting legal residence and citizens using this law. Thank god the Feds step in so quickly to prevent any of it from actually being acted upon or there would already be thousands of cases filed!

Actually - it is fairly simple.

Bring back the temporary work visa program where workers can come across the border legally, put in their work, and return home after a specific time. Most illegals do NOT want to be deported, be here illegally, nor cross the desert to get here. Let's be honest, the back breaking, low paying job they do is not one that Americans are even remotely trying to fill. These workers are just trying to do a job, get some cash, and feed their families. You can also gain tax revenue as well. Give them a decent chance to secure a temp work visa and that will help ease the flow across the border. Yes, there will always be those who bolt, but they become wanted and there will be severe punishments (not able to apply again, family banned, etc.)

Those that have been arrested for crimes and in jail - deport them! Plain and simple.

Like the dream act give these people a chance to gain citizenship if they were brought here as a small child and have done nothing illegal, have become good citizens, or have/will put in time in the armed services or government program (infrastructure work, etc).

Revamp the process to legally immigrate to this country a bit less daunting - seriously, 4 - 5 years is a bit much. There has to be a way to check for viability to ensure a quality citizen and compress the timelines.

All boot camps for new enlisting soldiers occur on the border and their first one or two years service will be tactical training in the desert. Let's face it, urban warfare in places like we are right now are the future as well. There is NOWHERE in the US that mirror these conditions better than the border states. You get viable boots on the ground, great training experience, and just about air tight border security.

Just a few pragmatic ways to start addressing the problems opposed to standing around trying to score political points.

Actually it's much more simple than even that, you imprison anyone hiring illegals, deport them as soon as they are found and patrol the borders with armed CITIZENS.

don't you know that she lives in terror from the president that loves aliens legal , black and. red or yellow

second that kenny!

you got my vote kenny!

thanks for the goods news

You're welcome.

Not really, the primary thing people thought was fucked up about it is still in there.