It's our liberal up bringing, we hate to see anyone go hungry :-)

That's right. I NEVER feed that troll.

Hey Leen, which troll? I thought it that was a general statement.

What's sad is that we offer healthy portions of logic and truth and they don't want none of it.

I got it now and I agree with leen61 1000%

No, Jesus was not a "warrior" in the sense that today's class warriors foment hate and would confiscate property and redistribute it by force.

"No, Jesus was not a [class] 'warrior'" No? How about some Old Testament?
in Amos 6:
"Alas for those who lie on beds of ivory, and lounge on their couches, and eat lambs from the flock, and calves from the stall; who sing idle songs to the sound of the harp, and like David improvise on instruments of music; who drink wine from bowls, and anoint themselves with the finest oils, but are not grieved over the ruin of Joseph! Therefore they shall now be the first to go into exile, and the revelry of the loungers shall pass away."

New Testament? in 1 Timothy 6:
"As for those who in the present age are rich, command them not to be haughty, or to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but rather on God who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. They are to do good, to be rich in good works, generous, and ready to share, thus storing up for themselves the treasure of a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of the life that really is life."

More new Testament? Too lengthy for here but I recommend Luke 16:19-31.

Now I'm not particularly religious but I really like that, "...take hold of life that really is life."

I think we can accurately conclude that the Bible has liberal bias and Jesus was a socialist.

Done here.

Yes, it is exactly as I wrote. Money per se is not condemned, but the attitude and use of it, namely, putting the acquisition of money before the spirit is sinful. Any human being would agree with this in its essence.

To think that it is somehow moral to get the government to forcefully take wealth from these people is the exact opposite of this. The opposite. Morality is an individual decision; it is not FORCING others to do what one decrees is "moral." That is IMMORALITY. If you make a decision to help your neighbor with your time or you donate clothes, that is moral. If a government agent MAKES you spend time and you do, you have not made any moral choice. And that government agent cannot make you be moral. Jesus said that the poor will always be among us, but you think that we can refute this by getting the government confiscate the property of others: This goes against the teachings of Christ.

Nice try. Now I'm REALLY done here.

I am right, of course. Nobody can deny that morality is other than a free choice. I pointed this out and you are distraught.

Nobody can deny that morality is other than a free choice. I pointed this out and you are dismayed and confounded.

Oh! now you're a theologian! Going to teach us the true-path as "revealed" by holy saint-reagan-the-paranoid-dementia-riddled in "prosperity gospel" scripture?

...your masters are the creators and maintainers of the REAL and ongoing class warfare all for them your 1%er masters against the actual TRUE american CITIZENS, real PEOPLE -NOT- false "corporate people"...

The War on Poverty should have been called the UNGRATEFUL Society. It actually resulted in higher rates of poverty, welfare expansion, single parenthood, increase drug use, the destruction of inner cities, and even higher rates of venereal diseases!

Hardly. Present wealth inequality is directly the result of theft by your handlers; even during wartime when Americans should pull together. It is clear in which direction you pull.

For the TWENTY-SECOND time: This putative "discrepancy" was larger in a period of incredible growth in our country when prosperity was spreading among the masses.

There is no "theft." It is the Left that would confiscate the property of others. It is the Left that is trying to foment class warfare, and the people are not buying it.

No doubt your infatuation with counting is because you have well exceeded the number of repetitions necessary for indoctrination on the Far-Right. You may continue to count if you like.
Their is clear and obvious theft. It is only a matter of investigation, discovery, documentation, appropriate legal process, and recovery. It is common. Drug related crimes, for example.
As for class warfare. That was begun by your handlers. We are only carrying out the process described above.

There is no theft. Why do you think that the local grocer or shoe salesman went out of business? Was it because Walmart was evil in building a store in the area? Or was it because the local people left their fellow store owners and went to Walmart and bought Chinese-made goods because they were cheaper and Walmart shopping was more convenient?

Show me someone who was FORCED to take out a mortgage loan. Show me that person who had a gun to his head to take out a second mortgage on his house.

There is a topic here. You are off it.

She has her script she has to follow.

"Show me that person who had a gun to his head...."
Interesting image you present. So anything less than that is not "forcing"?
I would remind you of a comment you made earlier in which you used the term "create desire" in reference to the practices of corporate capitalism.

This gets tiresome. We're all aware of your purpose her. Others may chose to continue. I am done here. The point is made over and over.

{I would remind you of a comment you made earlier in which you used the term "create desire" in reference to the practices of corporate capitalism.}

It is not specific to what you think is evil. We try to create desire in children to learn, in someone we romance, in trying to convince someone that our service is needed or helpful. You would restrict this to only those products and services that you deem "worthy," and that is FASCISM AND TYRANNY.

True freedom is letting the people decide what they want, and also RESPECTING that they are in control of their lives.

Think of it seriously: If you really believe that people are not in control of their desires but only reacting how the "wealthy" want them to react, that means that some entity must be set up to insure that they have the "correct" information because they are incapable of sorting it out for themselves. You really need to think through what you propose. Do you realize what you are really advocating? It is to have micromanagement of virtually everything by experts who know what is best for us.

...your masters are the creators and maintainers of the REAL and ongoing class warfare all for them your 1%er masters against the actual TRUE american CITIZENS, real PEOPLE -NOT- "corporate" entities masquerading as people!

Agree 100%!

WE ARE NOT fighting A WAR FOR THE PEOPLE JUST FOR THE RICH
we will pay for looking for weapons of mass destruction by taxing the poor and claiming we are broke as you have said Shame shame on those that have not made the right (YOUR) choice

Was that in 1492 ?

I agree

two thumbs up
thanks

"Was that in 1492 ?"

Was what in 1492? If you do not reference your posts, I have no idea to what you are referring.

It's the entitlement mindset.

"It's the entitlement mindset."

Yes. The Left-wingers encourage it.

the land of opportunity. only for Billionaires

"the land of opportunity. only for Billionaires"

Still plenty of opportunity. I know that putting out any information will result in the Left-wingers using it to attack in vicious and uncouth manners, but your post deserves such a response: My son just opened a small business and it is thriving! He doesn't listen to the news; maybe that is the main reason he is successful.

Please provide verification for what you claim.

He's not here to convince anyone, just to provide a sample of stupid ideology so we can get upset at how obtuse people can be and provide more posts. He must work for the site, i've been watching him for years.

Thanks! (nice userID) Who's upset? It's the view from the Extreme-Right here for us to observe. His rationale is obvious. We're far beyond being angry at this stuff.

"Please provide verification for what you claim."

What? Give you the address and website to my son's business? Are you serious?

I spent 49 plus years working with small business and watch some rise and others fall but I also heard that time has change "the fittest survive in a jungle"
But what I witness factories in small towns bankrupt by high interest loans while large corporations receiving very low interest loans I witness the cancer of unemployment turn strong giants into unrecognizable imps carrying SHAME and INGRATITUDE expounded by his employer and civic leaders that walk away with pockets of money
many of laboring folks had retirements that were better nest eggs better than any social security had their funds pillage and raped by the very people you brag about and support today . If and when convicted and committed still proclaim their innocence and and you still want to call me a thief . Keep wearing your rose color sun glasses

"factories in small towns bankrupt by high interest loans while large corporations receiving very low interest loans"

Government interference.

" the cancer of unemployment "

Caused in part by the minimum wage and extortionist unions.

"many of laboring folks had retirements that were better nest eggs better than any social security had their funds pillage and raped by the very people you brag about and support today "

You are lying about me. I support the free market, not government collusion with it.

Agree all for the 1%er masters!

...for a change

Well and truly said!

you are an obvious supporter of right-wing-corporate-FASCIST-party "trickle-down" crony-capitalism. Your military-industrial-crony-contractors are direct FASCIST "collusion" with da gubermint.

...more of the same right-wing-corporate-FASCIST-party UN-substantiated Faux Noise channel style propaganda. Completely substance-less words.

You are correct, ilikeike.

what year was you born
that stuff that you spew I have heard from every anti-government pervert that wanted to blame others while stealing from the poor
I remember when you had to use roller skates to out run the price changers at the grocery store

thank you

"I owe my soul to the company store"

I used to live in the PA. coal-region where it wasn't that long ago there still were the "company towns" that pretty much owned their "employees", the endless evil of the 1%er corporate-scum! A song for the ages!

when you have walk in somebody foot prints you have empathy
thanks

No blame of "others"; that is what the Left-wingers do. Conservatives want government to stay away; Liberals want more, more, more, more from government. Liberals blame the rich for their own failures. Liberals claim the rich are "greedy" while it is the Leftists that ooze ENVY.

"[Tennessee Erine} Ford died on October 17, 1991, not long after having dinner at the White House with President George H. W. Bush."

were you in on the conspiracy?
I did not know there was one

"were you in on the conspiracy?"

To what conspiracy are you referring?

I like your post
thanks

I hate to admit it, but I agree with everything you wrote there.....

We certainly don't need the military to protect the poor peoples shit. I think it's the rich that should pay for it since they are the ones trying to protect their hoards of swag.

even the part about "increased revenues"? That means "job killer" to you doesn't it?

"Decreased government spending" means jobs.

How so?

In the short run, government spending creates jobs but it hurts in the long run.

There are many reasons. First of all, from where does the government get the money to pay these workers? It gets it from taxing and borrowing. Taxing takes money out of the paychecks of people, thus reducing their spending power.

Borrowing takes money out of that available for private businesses, it raises interest rates, and it increases inflation (which essentially reduces buying power and the savings of the people).

The other reason is more difficult to understand and requires effort: If the public is not demanding something enough to want to pay for it themselves, and the government funds or creates it, it has been inflated and harms the economy.

Another reason takes quite a bit of concentration to understand. There is the "seen" and the "unseen." Take a local town. The town agrees to tax the residents in order to create jobs and they do it through expanding a park. People have jobs and some unemployed get jobs, right? On a superficial level, this appears to be a great thing. After all, in this locale of about 500,000 people, it only costs about $10-$20 per person.

So, what is "seen" is the expanse of the park, and the people working.

What is "unseen" and is destructive in an insidious manner is that each resident - on average - has $10-$20 less to spend. One less meal at McDonalds, one less CD from the local store, one less meal for a family of four. All those mount up and destroy those respective businesses, but they cannot be pinpointed because the losses are spread around, all over the area.

If you would like to respond to these in a mature and reasonable fashion, please do so. Otherwise, please do not respond at all. Thank you.

taxes are already being pulled from the working class. The Large corperations are the ones dodgeing paying their share.

I did not think you would answer. I will not spend that sort of time writing reasoned posts again.

America's corporations have the second highest tax rate in the world.

That may be but they damn sure don't pay them.

American corporations are taxed the second highest in the world.

Agreed!

Well and truly said!

can you repeat that ?

You could be right!

Very true!

Just saw their talk (never mIss Bill every Sunday!), powerful and dark the truth is! Powerful and dark...

Bill Moyers is quite the hypocrite. He tried to get Goldwater declared "insane" by psychiatrists, for example.

Moyers was the hunter of "suspected homosexuals" in LBJ's White House.

And in the Goldwater camp.

He helped Edgar Hoover in the bugging of Martin Luther King.

And Moyers "planted" questions in advance to reporters for LBJ's press conferences.

Moyers was nominated as one of the 50 most influential Progressives by Nation magazine.

Moyers’ jeremiads are outrageous. He claimed that Bush and Cheney were "feeding on the corpse of war."

Moyers compared people who wear American flag pins to people who adored the Little Red Book of the mass-murderer Mao.

Moyers asserted that the Republicans retaking the Senate in 2002 would unite D.C. behind "eviscerating" our environment. He hints that the rich, as a class have never really held jobs of any kind. Moyers also bemoans opinionated broadcasters who use florid language instead of dry recitation.
His hypocrisy knows no limits. Billybob Moyers denounced relationships between conservative foundations and conservative policy experts, while, at the same time, this miscreant was head of the Schumann Foundation. Moyers not only funded all his favorite left-wing institutions, he paraded them all across his programs that American taxpayer paid for!

Moyers denounces people for eating at the public trough in secret deals, but he specializes in profiting off PBS Home Video and other products he merchandises. Remember Moyer’s program "The Power of Myth," with new-age guy Joseph Campbell? There was an interesting program entitled "PBS: Behind the Screen." It exposed Moyers: He had entered into a secret kickback deal granting him a cut of the book proceeds to Campbell's book. It was one of many such deals Billy has made to “profit” from “NONprofit” television.
Moyers continues to funnel millions of bucks to ultra-leftist causes via his foundation. Moyers will certainly continue to lecture conservative parts of the country about their greedy desire for tax cuts, broadcast from his gorgeous apartment in chic section of Manhattan.

I saw this today, rerushg. Excellent! I'm glad you posted the video.

Excellent! :)

more of the same, endless Faux Noise propaganda lies. right-wing-corporate-fascist-party spin.

"comparing people who wear American flag pins to people who adored the Little Red Book of the mass-murderer Mao."
- sounds correct, the same fanatical worshipful devotion to lunatic meaningless symbols.

Never did it cross my mind that I might sneak up on you with Moyers. :)

Nice job, Mishima. What? You're present job is running dry and you're lobbying to be Moyer's press agent?
As for Goldwater: He WAS borderline. Many believe that had he prevailed we'd now be only 50 years into the several thousand year half-life of plutonium scattered all over the planet.
As for J. Edgar: Yes. Assisting him in digging his own grave must have been irresistible.

Keep trying.

by your definition
HE IS A SAINT NEXT TO REAGAN who is also

Not true.

Yes the right-wingers and their mad-saints, somebody really needs to rip open all the cursed graves and pound some wooden stakes into their chests, you know - just to be certain.

Thanks!

I notice nobody is taking the troll bait above from M@@@@@a. I'm glad.

This is exactly what everybody needs to do. I'm glad, too.

His baiting does cloud issues most of the time. I can't help it sometimes, even though I know i will never get satisfaction other than getting him to shut up.

I know sometimes it's hard not to talk back to him/her, but we will all be better off if we ignore him/her. That person is here to drop turds in the pond and nothing else.