So when someone goes out,commits a terrible crime by accidentally killing another human being and can't face the music so they blow their own brains out, as people some often do, that's not by choice ?

Bullshit. The title of the story should read : "Sometimes,SUICIDE is not chosen" because that's not the case all of the time.

Wrong website. Not even specific to any "disease". Last page I read if im feeling down espacially since current revamped, since its no fun (I hope you remember the fun/cultural shows besides vanguard) . I started posting now but have been a very frequent community "checker for years". I guess I just like some of the people on here and what hey have to say so better late than never.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_wOTnAYXzE

I'm all alone, I'm feeling bad,
I'm by my self, all I ever had.
I hate my life, I'm such a mess,
I wanna die, I'm so depressed.

Thank you for posting this, ejasun. Much good information/resources. And more important this time of year than usual.

#3 is a good one ....

That's correct. People don't kill themselves--they just run out of positive social connections--with the few exceptions of rational suicide to avoid needless pain and suffering.

AFTERMATH OF SUICIDE: HELP FOR FAMILIES

A person who is depressed does not think like a typical person who feels good. They live in the here and now. Depression keeps them from looking forward to a better time.

They can’t comprehend positive thinking. -Sometimes they don’t even realize they are sick?

It is disturbing when some so called experts say that suicide is preventable. It suggests that everyone who ever committed suicide could have been saved. While it is true that suicide is often preventable it is like wise true that sometimes it not.

Suggesting otherwise can lead to endless suffering and needless guilt by suicide survivors.

In the wake of a loved one’s death by suicide, families often disintegrate, unable to deal with the intense grief and the difficult, painful, and often unanswerable question of “Why?” For every suicide, it is estimated that at least six persons are affected. These include family members, co-workers, neighbors, classmates and close friends. Beyond grief and the fruitless search for answers, survivors of suicide also grapple with crippling emotions.

Emotions can Derail Suicide Survivors’ Healing

The waves of emotions that flow through the minds of suicide survivors can be so devastating that they cause the person to no longer be able to function. Life just seems to stop for them, now that their loved one has died by suicide. These emotions may occur singly, or in clusters, come fleetingly or stay for lengthy periods of time. They all need to be dealt with in order for healing to begin.
http://www.elementsbehavioralhealth.com/mental-health/aftermath-of-suicide-help-...

Please don't think that I'm trivializing this, but for some forms of depression it is helpful to think along these lines:

“The unhappy person resents it when you try to cheer him up, because that means he has to stop dwelling on himself and start paying attention to the universe. Unhappiness is the ultimate form of self-indulgence. When you're unhappy, you get to pay a lot of attention to yourself. You get to take yourself oh so very seriously.”
― Tom Robbins

What can I do to help someone who may be suicidal? ...a helpful guide, includes Suicide Warning Signs.
http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/whattodo.htm

Handling a call from a suicidal person ...a very helpful ten-point list that you can print out and keep near your phone or computer.

http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/sphone.htm

Symptoms of depression ...the specific symptoms of a full blown episode of clinical depression.
A major depressive episode is not a disorder in itself, but rather is a description of part of a disorder, most often major depressive disorder or bipolar disorder.

A person who suffers from a major depressive episode must either have a depressed mood or a loss of interest or pleasure in daily activities consistently for at least a 2 week period.
This mood must represent a change from the person's normal mood; social, occupational, educational or other important functioning must also be negatively impaired by the change in mood. A major depressive episode is also characterized by the presence of 5 or more of these symptoms:
http://psychcentral.com/disorders/sx5.htm

A 4 minute depression quiz ...maybe you have depression and want to find out right now, scientifically, at no cost.
TAKE TEST HERE:
http://psychcentral.com/depquiz.htm

"Resources about depression"

If you are feeling suicidal, it is highly likely that you are experiencing some form of depression. This is actually good news -- because depression is treatable. There are specific things physicians and psychotherapists can do for you, that will help relieve your emotional pain. Heres our short list of websites that will help you find the road to recovery.

http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/depressd.htm

"The stigma of suicide"
Social stigma and prejudice are our enemies. Every human being is taught from childhood that suicidal people are shameful, sinful, weak, selfish, manipulative--taught that we are contagious, that we want to harm others.

None of these ideas are true. No scientific study has ever confirmed that a significant proportion of suicidal people have these qualities. But children believe what they are taught. Each person we seek help from has been conditioned to respond with fear, contempt, and aversion.

Worse yet, when we became suicidal, we applied these ideas to ourselves. Much of the content of depressive rumination -- Im no good, Im stupid, Im a failure, Im weak, I dont have enough will power, -- is simply the reflexive response of internalized stigma. Stigma causes us to inflict pain upon ourselves and deters us from seeking help. It causes those around us to shun us, to be afraid to talk with us, to abuse us.
http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/stigma.htm

"Recovery from grief and loss"
...has anyone significant in your life recently died? You would be in good company... many suicidal people have recently suffered a loss.

Poorly resolved grief has many causes. Its origins are often in childhood. We may have had parents who were unable to grieve normally, and were unable to be good models for healthy grieving.

Many of us suffered the loss of a loved one in a way that was traumatic, stigmatized, or unexpected. We may have been present when these deaths occurred. Perhaps we suffered several losses in a short period of time. Important facts concerning the cause and circumstances of the loss may be unknown to us. These factors make the mourning process much more difficult.

Some of us suffered for years from depression, chemical addiction, or patterns of compulsive behavior. These illnesses made it impossible for us to grieve losses we suffered during these periods. Moreover, chronic mental illness or addiction themselves cause enormous losses - loss of years of our lives, loss of personality and self-respect.

We did not choose the conditions that made it more difficult for us to grieve. Although grievers are often negatively judged - Whats wrong with you? Why cant you snap out of it and get on with your life? - these judgments are invalid and abusive. As children and as adults, our culture and most of our families bombard us with the message, Dont grieve.

Within a support group we create a place where it is safe to grieve.
http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/grief.htm

"Why is it so hard for us to recover from being suicidal?"
In a support group we have a chance to talk about our suicidal histories without the fear that we will be taken to a hospital for doing so.

We can talk about the isolation, the fears, the pain, the confusion, the acts of self-injury, the behavior of others that was stigmatizing, denying, abusive, the horrible sense of estrangement that exists when you are in a terrible situation and there is no one who understands what you are going through, the hatred and contempt for oneself and the world, the debilitating sense of personal weakness.
We see that we are not alone. We do not have the seriousness of our condition minimized, denied, or belittled. With time, the pain abates and the troublesome PTSD symptoms diminish.
The basic steps of PTSD recovery programs provide helpful guidelines:

an environment that is physically and emotionally safe
treatment for addictive behaviors
patience: PTSD recovery takes time
caring attachments
restore sense of mastery
rest and relaxation
recall the traumatic event(s) in small steps
gradually assimilate painful feelings and memories
fully experience fear, anger, shame, guilt, depression
grieve ones losses
http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/ptsd.htm

"How serious is our condition."
An effective way to confront this kind of denial is to attend suicide bereavement support groups.
Listen to relatives and friends describe the lives of the people they lost to suicide. Some completed suicides had no prior attempts, some had gestures, some had one or more attempts.
While some suicides endured decades of multiple and severe problems, in other cases their survivors say in bewilderment, "We don't understand how it could have happened. Those problems just werent enough for suicide."
http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/serious.htm