Truth!

I am posting, coincidentally from #3 Place in Mercer's 2012 Quality of Living Survey....as far away from people like YOU that infest the USA. You and people like you are too dangerous to live near so I moved as far away as I could before going to the moon. I am waiting here for you to get everything you deserve from the political ideology you all your sociopath friends believe in. Like you guys always tell me, if you don't like it move to another country. According to Mercer, I am one smart sob to pick the top English speaking city on the PLANET. Where are you posting from, is it in the top 50?????

Still packing?

My sweet hero I am on my way to NZ right now :-)!!!!! Seriously? This is a pic of the city that you live in???? The architecture, the green spaces -- how could I NOT fall in love with such a place (and man ;-)????!!!!!

New Zealand is beautiful.

Yea, it's as close to stress free as I have seen.....some problems with costs of living and leadership here but far from as bad as the problems in the USA. That's my city, almost no violent crime, no racist police (have not been search once here where in FL its a once a year event).....lots to do in the outdoors.

I googled it -- fantastic shopping, dining and BEACHES!!!!!!!!

I hope you stay on Current. I will make a prediction: You will be back in America within 3 years.

"Where are you posting from, is it in the top 50?????"

Actually, the country where I am temporarily residing was rated - the year before last - as #1 in the ENTIRE world in healthcare. According to the "data," it was #1. And my PRIVATE insurance plan covers health care in any part of the world.

It was the same year that I flew all the way to America for spinal surgery. I knew where the health care was the best, and the rest of the ex-pats also know.

and good riddance to him and his fellow travelers!

That's the best response I read and they are all great so far. We all need a good chuckle now and then.

But it was the Liberals who are responsible for most of the debt. The welfare state that they created, for example, has come to over $21 TRILLION. And it made things WORSE.

Welfare moms or Corporate welfare.
Which do you think has effected our economy the most?

Serious reply only.

{Welfare moms or Corporate welfare.
Which do you think has effected our economy the most?}

Interesting question but not really valid. It is loaded.

Why "moms?" First of all, I would not trust any person as being even slightly sincere if he claimed that Conservatives or almost any other group of people does not want a support system for the TRULY needy. And those people are mostly confined to abandoned/neglected children, the insane, and the severely handicapped.

And I hope your definition of "welfare" is solid.

That aside, why is that question even put in terms of a choice? It sounds like one is forced to pick one or the other. Or at least "rank" what is quite complex.

And what do you mean by "affected?" Altered? Improved in some way? Harmed in some way?

I do not like Libertarian-type of thinking in most cases. A society is not something that can be readily quantified, especially thinking that whatever brings about the largest specific monetary number as being the best. That could never hold a society together.

Finally, the economy and our morals and values are inextricable. In that sense, since you requested "serious reply only," I will venture to say that the expanded welfare state has harmed us more than corporate welfare. NOTE: I refuse to use the term "welfare mom." It is probably more harmful because it has a direct effect on TENS of millions of people, destroying their lives, and is promoted by pernicious ideologies of victims, oppression, racism, classism and so on. And it carries on for generations.

This does not mean that corporate welfare is let off the hook, so please do not twist my words.

You asked for a "serious reply" and I gave you one. I hope to get a response in kind.

Isn’t it something people forgot the humongous national debt that Bush and his administration created starting these false WARS. And the thousands of our sons and daughters that were killed in these false wars, that were started by George W Bush.

Exactly. It is amazing that there are those the blame liberals for everything. But when the Democrats (liberals) are in power the country actually prospers. It is always when the GOP are in power that the country suffers the most. For example, I bet most people don't realize that since Obama took office the annual deficit has actually gone down. The accumulated national debt is from the two unfunded wars and Medicare Part D which benefited drug companies and not the seniors, while at the same time giving everyone a big tax break. During WWII, people actually bought War Bonds to help support the war, today is appears there are many that are more concerned about themselves then the country as a whole.

Did you comment again? I thought you were busy leaving. Adios and goodbye.!

I will take the blame
which state do you want to be exile to ?

right on
in school we bought 10cent savings stamps and when we got enough we traded them into savings bonds, we felt that we had a stake in our country and our future today they want us to buy stock (it such a godly way to gamble ) and no one is accountable

We must be around the same age. I too remember buying savings stamps when I was in grade school. Back then it seemed people had pride in patriotism and wanting to contribute to improve society. Although, the civil rights movement hadn't happen yet, I believe that we were heading that way, especially in the north. I grew up in New York State and back then we probably had one of the best education systems in the country and were already integrated.

"they want us to buy stock"

Who are "they?"

"Back then it seemed people had pride in patriotism and wanting to contribute to improve society."

Yes, then it became "fashionable" to deride, defile and decry America, and the revisionist history started, saying the entire history of America was one in which there were constant struggles between various racial and economic groups. The universities started that hateful revision of our history, and it finally filtered down to the government schools.

That is the origin of the lack of patriotism, not savings bonds or the "evil rich."

first grade in 1949 and while growing up my family would listen on the radio about supporting the march of dimes. our neighbors help in fence building or roofing a shed
the farmer two farms down from our place plowed our garden every spring with two mules the doctor made house calls and we paid more than was for so he could help the less fortunate we pledge allegiance before under god was added

the bull s---ers thieves that wants to privatize social security

Ah, so we are close in age. I was in 1st grade in 1952. Because we were considered the baby boomers there wasn't enough classrooms for all of us and I spent kindergarten and 1st grade about 20 miles away from home in another community. 2nd grade was in a four room school. Then I ended up spending 4th grade in the basement of one the churches in our community while they built two new schools.

We didn't get our first TV until 1955 and even after that we still listened to the radio all the time. I also grew up in what was considered rural America where neighbors helped neighbors, although we weren't far from a medium size city. But, my house was surrounded by corn and wheat fields located in a valley in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains in New York.

Then in the sixties the farmers who owned all the farm land around us sold to a housing developer who built all these ranch style houses in the fields where we use to play. While I was growing up there were about 9 kids around my age, by the time I got to high school there were around 50 new families with kids in our neighborhood. What a change that was.

Sorry, I didn't mean to digress from the issue.

I enjoy something that has honest value we played games but not monopoly
Dog eat dog and fighting with my brothers was not allow we had responsibility for one another it wasn't until the 60's the changes where my aunts went to work
it was the 80s when the shoe factories started closing being bought out by others
it as in 1955 when we moved to another town where i went to school with black kids
we made friends fairly easy but i was told by my minster that i wasn't to set by them folks and i never went back to church there. It was a turbulent time and I still believe in helping my neighbor and not selling him a pig in a poke
I missed out on some great achievements that could have been done but others died for me and my nation to give me this freedom that I can talk about today. .

"the bull s---ers thieves that wants to privatize social security"

That is only partially correct. The plan was to have an OPTION, not force people into private accounts. The inane government plan would still be available for people who are clueless enough to take that, and other people could put their money into private accounts of their choosing, and the rules would be much the same as SS: A certain %, and employers contribute, cannnot collect until a certain age, etc.

If you were 25 and that option were available, which would you choose?

"first grade in 1949 and while growing up my family would listen on the radio about supporting the march of dimes. our neighbors help in fence building or roofing a shed "

I maintain, and will defend, the fact that such things were DESTROYED by the Left-winger welfare state. We can see the historical trends, read excellent books like "The Quest for Community" (written in 1953), or reflect on what we have observed over the decades if one is older.

In short, the more that the government takes over the functions of charities, family and community, the more the people defer to it instead of helping one another. Leftists think that they can "have their cake and eat it too," meaning that we can let government take over the functions that family and community had, and somehow it will not weaken those bonds.

Taking care of our neighbors and grandpa who is pissing his pants is hard. "Virtue comes of necessity" is the phrase, I believe. We are obliged to take care of our aged parents, so we make virtues out of it, and the community and family expect this. And it strengthens bonds and community and family. Most government programs only increase the downward spiral, do more harm than good as far as those things you mention.

Please read my post above to CMC101.

too busy trolling to pack apparently.

I am not the businessman that want to rape my employees
I have known many business owners that pay a living wage to their employees
that DO NOT subscribe to your lifestyle plan to get the welfare whore (that does not exist, except in your frame of mind ) off the dole.

Taking care of our neighbors and grandpa who is pissing his pants is hard. "Virtue comes of necessity" is the phrase,

the #1 reason grandpa and/or grandma is sent to a nursing home , Because that they pissed on mama's couch
also most families today must have both parents working just to provide a roof and food for themselves and the children and they live 90 days from bankruptcy

We can see the historical trends, read excellent books like "The Quest for Community" (written in 1953), or reflect on what we have observed over the decades if one is older.
I read that book and with you observation it still a piece of crap

"I have known many business owners that pay a living wage to their employees
that DO NOT subscribe to your lifestyle plan to get the welfare whore (that does not exist, except in your frame of mind ) off the dole."

Yes, the freakin' Left-wingers stir up hate and class division by claiming that the evil rich want to impoverish people and only pay slave-wages, whatever the .... that means.

The welfare scammers DO exist, and I maintain that most people on welfare are such. I base that on LIVING AMONG THEM FOR A YEAR, plus being at places of work where there were many. I can give a plethora of examples, some with parents sacrificing their own children's futures to avoid work.

{Yes, then it became "fashionable" to deride, defile and decry America,}

It is unfortunate.

{also most families today must have both parents working just to provide a roof and food for themselves and the children and they live 90 days from bankruptcy}

It is almost always because they CHOOSE to live above their means. They feel that they must have the flat-screen TV, the nice car, the video games, the meals out.

There is no NECESSITY for both parents to work: People CHOOSE that because they want a lifestyle that requires the additional income. Another thing is that they do not delay gratification. They cannot postpone the pleasures, the "feel good" stuff, and the material things, so they go into debt quickly, get pregnant right away, and do not work weekends and such. If one looks at life patterns (I know there are exceptions from illness, accidents, etc., so do not claim that is the main reason people are "90 days from bankruptcy," pluueeaase), it becomes clear.

How does it say in the Bible? One reaps what one sows?

Not true. People expect the GOVERNMENT to bail them out, so they lose a sense of responsibility. It is quite impossible - or a denial of reality and human nature - to think that there can be the government security blanket and that people will not turn to it and abandon obligations.