If you really think about it... We (as in the people) lose every election. The elite win them all nowadays.

As for Rice, she is a pro-war advocate who has close ties to tyrannical regimes in Africa, and has investments in banks in Canada who stand to profit from the tar sands pipeline, so it's really no loss from the informed progressive's point of view.

Obama did. Obama can support---but he can't remake her into a strong person--strong enough to follow in Hillary's footsteps as the US Secretary of State. If the Republicans were smarter, they wouldn't have used up political credibility capital bullying her on their untrusted propaganda outlets. They probably could have made very credible arguments as to why she was not acceptable. Instead they argued an obvious falsehood regarding the Benghazi tragedy. The Republicans just made another unnecessary Kamakazi attack. They could have legitimately blocked her nomination during the confirmation process on reasonable issues and her experience and qualifications. That's my opinion.

I really think Republicans want to piss off women and black people (and homosexuals, etc). I think dividing the nation amongst itself is a top priority of the elite and therefore that of their pocketed politicians as well.

I have to agree with you. Republicans have not been negotiating in good faith on issues at all. Their focus has been on undermining the democratic process itself, and as you say, dividing our nation. Karl has devoted his life to dividing us.. Voter suppression; radical union suppression in the states; putting "holds" on nominations and filibustering; attempting to set up a shadow government using ALEC; outrageous Gerrymandering and changing the laws and rules of campaign finance, holding our debt ceiling hostage, just to name a few items . I can't name any of their legislative accomplishments other than naming Federal buildings.

Their "issues' are "the war on Christmas", "gays". "abortion", "non-compliance with any environmental or food safety laws ", "free access to any weapon, anytime by anybody, (as long as he is the "right" color"),inserting religion (their religion) into governance, racism, misogyny, xenophobia and making sure certain people don't pay any taxes and are never brought to justice for fraud. Not your father's Republican Party--is it.

WOW, is THAT ever a good idea. Wouldn't he be great? Yes.
His popularity is higher now than ever before - worldwide.

Hey Hardytoo! {{ }}
How true. Stupid always wins in America.

Indeed - stupid wins out. And {{ }} back at ya, Joy.
I commented below re the family's investments and the why of it.

Supported the war in Iraq. During the Clinton administration she was in charge of Africa when our two embassies were attacked. Keystone Pipeline investor. And lied about lybia. Ya really great job.

Love your graphic above. Henceforth, any "Sabbath Gasbag Show" that features either of these two old doofuses (doofi?) will not be view by me.

Thanks hardytoo. Me either.

And notice how NOTHING was said about her stock in Transcanada even in her letter and Obama's announcement? As I have said b4, whatever happened in Benghazi amounts to nothing compared to the 'smoking gun' connected to her ties to the pipeline!

Do you realize that with your unfair condemnation of Rice you wind up holding hands with the right wing nuts? A reasonable person might take that as a sign to reevaluate one's fanaticism.

Truth is a terrible thing. But there you are. Consider, the Right Wing nuts screwed up. Imagine how P.O.'d Big Oil must be over this? Wedge issues be damned, this hurt Big Corpa in the wallet! For that, I am grateful.

: ) And the difference between being just a (social) Liberal and also being a Progressive is ...

True, dat! : )

Typical response from someone blinded by partisan politics. Let's hope the next Hurricane Sandy doesn't hit you straight on.

Absolutely. The Republicans attacked her based on partisan politics. Very predictable. The pipeline and her direct ties to the foreign company laying it while attacking American citizens not to mention the environmental effects of it due to exacerbating a climate tipping point while she profits from it is a substantive moral issue. Ashame some are too blinded by their own poltical zeal so much that they cannot see it.

I wrote last week that she's married to a quite famous Canadian broadcaster, Ian Cameron. And there's no reason for them to hide the fact that they invested in a pipeline company - most Canadian investment portfolios contain at least 2 or 3 resource companies, as well as 2 or 3 banks (they hold investments in the Royal Bank of Canada); all the Mutual Fund accounts do (in Canada). I think there's no doubt that she would have realized that she would have recused herself from any decision affecting the Keystone XL pipeline. That would be "a given."
For this woman to be thrown under the washed-up McCain/GOP bus is truly a tragedy.
McCain wants John Kerry to be Secretary of State so that he (McCain) can take that seat on the Foreign Relations Committee. He wouldn't have gone at Rice so hard if that were not the case. Ain't politics grand?

McCain is such an assclown these days. He needs to retire.

He's that scary (assclown) guy - when you're on a camping trip and you come out of your tent late at nite - he's sitting alone, staring into the fire, loading shells into his revolver - unable to speak -- thinking. Yah, he needs "the Home."

Hard to believe that he used to be rational. Now he seems like a bitter little hypocrite.

He's nuts too - probably it's sinking in about "the Palin deal" - altho he'd never admit it. He almost brought total ruin to the Office of Prez.
Now, he only wants - no - he *craves* - that seat on the Foreign Relations Committee - and he'll backslap and kiss-ass to anyone he has to, to get it. "Ass-clown" is now his middle name.

I'd love to think that she would have recused herself when it came to the pipeline, but as you state -- ain't politics grand; i.e.: just because we believe she would have done that doesn't mean that she actually would have (that may have played a part in her decision to drop out of the confirmation process). I just seriously feel that it is past time to hold our elected employees accountable not only to us, but to our habitat, as well. What we have seen as far as weather is concerned should have ALL of us shouting from the rooftops, and if we can't trust the people we pick to make these decisions then what do we have left? I'm not ready to go gently into that good night, but if things don't change, if we don't start expressing our fears, we may lose whatever time we have left!

Pwr 2 the INDEPENDENT and OUTSPOKEN peons!
GUILLOTINE MEDIOCRITY IN ALL ITS FORMS!

Thank you! I am actually quite thankful that she dropped out, it means at least where she is concerned we don't have to hold our breath and hope for the best ... I trusted Obama in the run-up to 2008 and we all know how wise THAT was; I just never did trust Rice to do the right thing.

This pipeline scares the hell out of me, and it would be just like Bush-dark to appoint someone knowing the decision she would make, all the while realizing he could play the 'plausible deniability' card.

Takes one to know one ... why don't YOU show us all how to be a 'reasonable person.'

Pwr 2 the OUTSPOKEN and INDEPENDENT peons!
GUILLOTINE MEDIOCRITY IN ALL ITS FORMS!

I do believe we can care about foreign relations in a very "scary world" AND we can be very concerned about our environment - at the same time.
I have no doubt in your or my own fight for our Earth's survival. I fight for it, in public, on a regular basis. And I also do respect Susan Rice, for her intelligent mind. I respect that she has a degree from Oxford, and was a Rhodes Scholar - and she's been a damned good UN Ambassador - the rest of the world knows it and recognizes it.
It ticks me off that the there seems here to be the indication that we have to make a "choice" - 1) we can care about the world's political concerns, OR 2) we can focus on the environment in our respective countries. I think we can do both. We can hold more than one thought at a time.
I think this decision was completely political on behalf of the usual suspects - the GOP and its machinations.
And Obama didn't stand up for her. And I'll bet when we take a peek at John Kerry's portfolio, we will find investments in pipeline companies, oil companies, and banks. It's all just stinky politics.

you are right

shoot first ask questions later is the norm today and no one know what happen to the shooter.
they blame the gun.

Their sole Purpose is to counter Elizabeth Owens seat at all cost for a republican that lost his seat to her

Ain't politics grand?
yep and it is getting Old

What a laugh! If anyone is blinded by politics it is you - your unhealthy and pathological obsession is apparent for anyone to see.

Now that really does sound good, but Kucinich is too much of a progressive democrat for Bush-dark to work with :-)! And I know, there will be those who flame me for calling him Bush-dark, but damn it, more and more that really does seem to be who he is!

Pwr 2 the OUTSPOKEN peons!
GUILLOTINE MEDIOCRITY!

When it comes to foreign policy, I think that it's been the same bunch of insiders who make and control policy. I mean, how is it that people like Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzenski end up in shadow positions in administrations run by either party?

We need to burn the barn and let the rats flee, and this is an area where President Obama has the potential to genuinely distinguish himself from his predecessors. Thus far, he hasn't done so. Whether he chooses to change so is another question entirely.

Pwr to the INDEPENDENT and OUTSPOKEN peons!
Guillotine MEDIOCRITY

I agree, Vic. Excellent comment. ^^^

Best idea ever.

You are the only one who draws such attention to that name and THAT speaks volumes about YOUR intellect. Obama is a big boy and is perfectly capable of fighting his own battles -- he doesn't need a bleeding heart PEON defending his honor. As I've told you b4, I still have my freedom of speech and if I have said something that offends you feel free to IGNORE my comments!

Pwr 2 the FREE-SPEAKING peons!
GUILLOTINE MEDIOCRITY IN ALL ITS FORMS!

The right-wingers like to use that whole "uppity" thing don't they... wonder what that's about... nuff said...

I burst out laughing-------- rolling on the floor laughing----- I feel the same.!

I would enjoy to do a Cheney on them :>)
water treatment
But they are too unstable to be a hunting partner

LOL