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Why Gun Control is Bullshit

Radical_Centrist
Published on Dec 20, 2012
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  • JessMag
  • artemis6
  • Mishima
  • hombre76
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      hombre76  
    • Mishima:

      That is a moron alcoholic debauchery socked chauvinist. Figures you would Idolize him while hypocritically preaching values and morals out the other half of your mouth.

    • 5 months ago
  • bulraybet
  • FreeSpiritMuse
  • cpad
  • cpad
  • jackhole
  • Vierotchka
  • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM
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      COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM  
    • Vierotchka:

      This is an interesting sentiment V. Aren't many unable to distinguish the extent of any condition without the experience of something else to compare and contrast it with, however? By the same logic as this sentiment, does the same contemporary person need to be told when their freedom and independence is very limited or restricted?

    • 5 months ago
  • artemis6
  • lmpucci
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      lmpucci  
    • Out of the Start I realized that you are blinded at the fact that the US (and most of the western First World countries) government is just a charade of puppets handled by a few holding the economic (and real) power.
      So, given the fact of the acts we all had endured during the last few decades by the dictatorship of Wall Street and it cronies, it is evident that the army of the lay citizens are aiming their guns to the wrong, innocent people.
      A good example is that today, January first we are all still in uncertain waters in regards to the economy and livelihood of the common people because of the dictatorship (plutocracy) that governs this country. They give a rat ass about the people, but the rich advantages must be preserved...
      So, if the 2 amendment was working right, the army of the people should be barricaded both at Wall Street and Congress, fighting to liberate our Government and the country of the tyranny of the money handlers. Not wasting their time in gun shows, killing animals for pleasure or releasing their frustrations by killing co-workers, class mates or children!!

      So, I would advice you to listen to your friends abroad, usually those looking from a distance understand the issues better..

    • 5 months ago
  • crabbyoldguy
  • hombre76
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      hombre76  
    • lmpucci:

      Not in this case. As I said to one of your European counterparts, if we need advice on how to fall to Nazis we'll ask for your opinion.

    • 5 months ago
  • oldbanjo
  • fiberbundle
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      fiberbundle  
    • The NRA now has a training range to help protect our children. Responsible NRA assault weapons owners go through the course, which is modeled on police training courses. The course features pop up targets; however some of the targets simulate five year old children. NRA members learn through trial and error not to shoot the children with their assault weapons. It is very demanding. You need at least a 70% (you can't "kill" more than 6 of the 20 child pop-ups) to pass the course. Now that's what I call a proactive response from caring responsible assault weapons owners.

      The program also screens for sociopaths and psychopaths. If NRA professional scorers determine that a participant on the range, is deliberately aiming at pop-up children on the range, it will be reported and become part of their permanent record, NOT to the government, but to the Association of School Security Expert Sharpshooters. The acronym ASSES is not used. Instead they refer to themselves as "The Son-of- a-Guns". The aforementioned psychopaths will not be allowed to join the "Son-Of-A-Guns"-nor be entitled to wear one of their custom printed sweat shirts. Now that's what I call effective self-regulation.

      Remember self-control is the best kind of control when it comes to regulating assault weapons.

    • 5 months ago
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • fiberbundle:

      Why can't a course be mandatory ? Guns already ARE regulated , the real issue is about modification of current regulations to fine tune them . No one is trying to take away rights of deserving citizens ...

    • 5 months ago
  • savroD
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      savroD  
    • Illegal guns is about as practical as illegal drugs and we all know how well illegal drugs has worked; however, progressive gun control is safe and sane. Today, one can dial 911 faster than it would take to pull out a gun and determine who is friend or foe. Those here defending guns for personal protection are just paranoid, insecure, and have a poor self-image. The idea that at every corner there is someone waiting to do you in is paranoia, a mental illness! There is nothing wrong with people at the local level deciding whether to allow guns in their community or not. In this case the burden falls on the gun holder to follow the laws or pay the consequences. It's called personal responsibility and is not a mental illness!

    • 5 months ago
  • crabbyoldguy
  • oldbanjo
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      oldbanjo  
    • savroD:

      I called the cops on a meth cooker and drug seller the cops came and did nothing, a cop lives in the house. You call 911, I'll defend myself.

    • 5 months ago
  • im1mjrpain
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      im1mjrpain  
    • Bosnia-Herzegovina: 1992-1995 - 200,000 Deaths

      Rwanda: 1994 - 800,000 Deaths

      Pol Pot in Cambodia: 1975-1979 - 2,000,000 Deaths

      Nazi Holocaust: 1938-1945 - 6,000,000 Deaths

      Stalin's Forced Famine: 1932-1933 - 7,000,000 Deaths

      Armenians in Turkey: 1915-1918 - 1,500,000 Deaths

      But I'm sure it won't happen here. Right?

    • 5 months ago
  • 2warsoffbooks
  • oldbanjo
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      oldbanjo  
    • im1mjrpain:

      Your right, until this election after hearing the Republicans, who hate the black, the women, the poor, the old and everyone on SS and Medicare. Now I do believe it could happen if a Republican got into Office.

    • 5 months ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • 2warsoffbooks:

      You forgot to mention - American genocide of Native Americans: over 60,000,000 killed so far, and it ain't over yet, so it has been happening for over 200 years in the USA.

    • 5 months ago
  • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM
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      COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM  
    • Vierotchka:

      Amen! This, is merely a pebble in the pond of such atrocities, but one that marred the alleged ethos and credo of the U.S. Government at it's beginning. It was commercially inspired and motivated, as was our very constitution, in part, from their beginnings. It reveals the self centeredness and duplicity of human nature, and even more so of larger groups of humans, that civilizing has only been able to partially curb, but never eliminate.

    • 5 months ago
  • 2warsoffbooks
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      2warsoffbooks  
    • Vierotchka:

      I didn't forget that we live on a stolen continent at the expense of Native Americans. That is exactly what I meant when I said it has already happened here.

    • 5 months ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/46316454/ns/today-today_rossen_reports/t/rossen-re....UOL7hHfNmSo

      Some say it’s a major loophole in the law. At gun stores, you have to get a background check before you can buy a weapon. But online in most states, anyone from law-abiding citizens to dangerous criminals – even terrorists – can get just about any weapon they want, no questions asked. Our hidden camera investigation shows the deals going down in broad daylight, in suburban mall parking lots.

      Hundreds of thousands of guns are for sale, on hundreds of websites. We responded and set up meetings at popular shopping malls. We bought everything from a police-grade pistol to a semiautomatic assault rifle. We did it over and over again, even hinting that our buyer is a criminal.

      Within 12 hours, we bought eight dangerous guns – even a 50-caliber weapon so powerful it could take down a helicopter.
      TODAY
      Jeff Rossen questions a gun seller.

      Remember, at gun stores, background checks are required, but online – nothing. Believe it or not, in most states it’s completely legal.

      ‘A bazaar for criminals’
      NBC News hired Steve Barborini, a former supervisor for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, to help with our investigation. Barborini said that the online sales loophole permits what he called “a weapons bazaar for criminals. There’s no background check: Anybody that has a murder conviction can simply log on, email someone, meet ’em in a parking lot, and buy a freaking AK-47.”

      (more at link)

    • 5 months ago
  • hombre76
  • hombre76
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • hombre76:

      I was only quoting the article, and do you deny there are any American terrorists in your country? The only "next Hitler" I can see in Europe is the USA which had little to nothing to do with saving European asses, as you would know if you had any knowledge of the actual history of WWII. We owe our asses saved to the USSR.

    • 5 months ago
  • Vierotchka
  • Radical_Centrist
  • Vierotchka
  • MolliBlum
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      MolliBlum  
    • hombre76:

      "...we don't like the way you.... Europeans think and conduct yourselves..."

      Which particular directions of European thought and which particular forms of European conduct do you disapprove of, hombre?

    • 5 months ago
  • MolliBlum
  • MolliBlum
  • Radical_Centrist
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      Radical_Centrist  
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    • Vierotchka:

      You are WRONG yet again! The reason Normandy was (1) of the pivotal points in winning the war was because it FORCED Hitler to fight on two fronts. Russia was holding it's own in the East, but the Allies were getting there ass kicked in the West BEFORE we took Normandy.

    • 5 months ago
  • hombre76
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      hombre76  
    • MolliBlum:

      disarmament of the public, unhealthy worship of monarchy, how easily half of you capitulated with Hitler and the Nazis... need more?

    • 5 months ago
  • hombre76
  • hombre76
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      hombre76  
    • Radical_Centrist:

      Shit Russia was getting its ass kicked too. In fact Stalin was pissed Roosevelt took so long to kick off the invasion because the Russians were loosing a lot of troops compared to the Nazis. Probably because they couldn't supply more than one gun per two men. Real sustainable fighting force.

    • 5 months ago
  • oldbanjo
  • hombre76
  • oldbanjo
  • hombre76
  • oldbanjo
  • Vierotchka
  • Vierotchka
    • +2
      Vierotchka  
    • hombre76:

      Wrong, being aware of our own past barbary, we simply are appalled at the ongoing barbary your country is practicing and what is happening to your country and people like you. We are only trying to warn you.

    • 5 months ago
  • Vierotchka
  • artemis6
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      artemis6  
    • MolliBlum:

      I do not think this point is made clear in the U.S. history books i read decades ago ... i learned of it later online actually . The comforting MYTH we are taught helps to hide a lot of flaws .... it is the hallmark of propaganda . If they wanted us to think for ourselves , we would know the truth . The kids of the 60s were taught like that , but the results of too much independent thought , caused to the controllers change , so , our propaganda came back .....

    • 5 months ago
  • oldbanjo
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      oldbanjo  
    • Vierotchka:

      Every Country England has ruled, they have mistreated the people. Look at Ireland and Scotland, most Countries that England has ruled hates them. I can understand why after listening to Piers Morgan.

    • 5 months ago
  • oldbanjo
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • oldbanjo:

      Well, in all those countries I've been to which were previously ruled by the British, the people expressed only respect and admiration for the Brits, in spite of colonization. Go figure!

    • 5 months ago
  • Vierotchka
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
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    • oldbanjo:

      From my father who was a Major in the British Intelligence Corps, from my brother and sister who fought in WWII (my other brother who fought in WWII and was a pilot who participated in the Battle of Britain was unfortunately killed when he was a test pilot for new models of the unstable Typhoon, so I never got to know him as he died a few years before I was born), from a couple of dozen other veteran officers who fought in WWII, from History, from actual facts. Deal with it.

    • 5 months ago
  • oldbanjo
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • oldbanjo:

      The Soviet Union alone indeed could have won World War II, but would have done it at a much slower pace, believes British historian Professor Geoffrey Roberts.

      No, they and thousands of other officers from the allied forces were not brainwashed - your implying that they were is a base insult to war heroes. Shame on you.

    • 5 months ago
  • Vierotchka
  • oldbanjo
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      oldbanjo  
    • Vierotchka:

      During WW2 we had the lend lease agreement, we also provided food and everything that England needed to survive. We had planes and Pilots in England prior to Dec 7th 1941. Without the USA England would have lost prior to Dec 41. Go farther back in WW1 we made the 303 Enfields that England fought with. The Intelligence Corps and the Pilots were the best group in England, If Hitler had of made one more attack he would have owned the air over England. The Radars were down and England had very few Planes after the Battle of Britain.

    • 5 months ago
  • oldbanjo
  • MolliBlum
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      MolliBlum  
    • oldbanjo:

      With all due respect, oldbanjo -- Scotland was never colonised by England.
      The Union of Crowns occurred when a Scottish monarch ascended to the English throne.
      The Union of Parliaments was basically a sell-out by bankrupt Scottish nobles, triggering widespread rioting.
      Scotland has always retained its own completely separate and different legal system, education system, and church.
      And, in fairness, it must also be said that the Scots were no innocents when it comes to Ireland -- they played as much a role (arguably even more) in the Plantation of Ulster as the English did.

    • 5 months ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • oldbanjo:

      The Lend-Lease agreement was a shameful act on the part of the USA - it sold thousands of out-dated vehicles and tanks and so on, relics from WWI, at an outrageously high price (which earned an incredibly high profit to the US) which practically ruined the UK. In fact, the last reimbursement payment made by the UK to the US was only a few years ago. In total, the US made some $647 billion in profit from that program.

    • 5 months ago
  • Vierotchka
  • oldbanjo
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      oldbanjo  
    • Vierotchka:

      My brainwashed statement had nothing to do with the War, it had to do with Colonization. The only way that Russia helped England was by Hitler splitting up his troups to fight two fronts. Hitler was winning till they went to Stalingrad. Russia lost many millions prior to that. This Professor likes Stallin and is rewriting History

    • 5 months ago
  • oldbanjo
  • oldbanjo
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      oldbanjo  
    • MolliBlum:

      I didn't realize that, I do know that the Scots hate England and the English Cops that I talked to while in Scotland hate the Scots. The person that I worked with for about 15 years was from Scotland. He would always say WE have no Queen.

    • 5 months ago
  • MolliBlum
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      MolliBlum  
    • artemis6:

      Yes -- perhaps a little exaggeration there to boost national pride. I don't think anyone would deny they played an important role. But it's sometimes curious to see the US portrayed as single-handedly saving the whole of Europe. More curious still to see the vehemence triggered by anyone daring to challenge that view.

    • 5 months ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • oldbanjo:

      No, if you had paid attention, this professor does not like Stalin but renders onto Caesar. He is absolutely right and far from being the only historian who has noted the fact that the USSR basically won WWII. I know this fact threatens your illusory image of the US, but facts are facts, whether you like them or not.

    • 5 months ago
  • Vierotchka
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • oldbanjo:

      Yes, he did, but that wasn't the main subject. It is a short video and it is not centered on the Lend Lease Act and its financial consequences on the allied countries.

    • 5 months ago
  • oldbanjo
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      oldbanjo  
    • Vierotchka:

      That's all the US had at that time. It was better than nothing until we could build better equip. Also we had to build a Plane in WW2 that could reach the Wolf Packs and destroy them, they nearly cost England the War.

    • 5 months ago
  • Vierotchka
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      Vierotchka  
    • oldbanjo:

      No, you responded to my post where I wrote that I got my facts from my father, my mother, my brother and sister, and dozens of other WWII officer veterans. You implied that they were brainwashed, which was a total insult to these war heroes.

      Russia didn't "help" England, it was far more involved in the war than was England. The USSR did win against Hitler. The Americans won against Japan and Mussolini, and the British won in North Africa.

      This professor has not re-written History, neither does he like Stalin (as you would have noticed had you paid attention) - he, like numerous other Historians, is setting things straight based on actual facts.

    • 5 months ago
  • COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM
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      COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM  
    • Vierotchka:

      There's much truth in your comments herein, despite how difficult it is for those who can't deal with the disillusionment of accepting it. However, Roosevelt was compelled to, and did, provide clandestine and covert assistance to the British before formally entering the war, over objections and roadblocks the Republicans (ironically) in Congress mounted.

    • 5 months ago
  • oldbanjo
  • Vierotchka
  • MolliBlum
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      MolliBlum  
    • oldbanjo:

      Well, fortunately, not all Scots hate England, and not all English hate the Scots.

      I’m sorry to hear you met such nationalistic types. They’re not typical.

      The Scottish independence movement (and the forthcoming referendum) isn’t based on ethnic or cultural issues, but on civic issues.

      Basically, this is because the Scottish electorate has always traditionally voted quite far to the left of the English electorate (Scots like to point out that there are more giant pandas in Scotland than conservative MPs), and things have reached the point where the UK government is no longer seen to represent the interests of Scottish voters on a wide range of important issues that are controlled by Westminster, including energy policies, EU membership, the Euro, nuclear weaponry, healthcare, etc.
      As for the "we have no queen" stance -- well, that's another matter entirely. Scotland is as divided on the issue of monarchy as England. Some want to keep it. Others don't. The official policy of the SNP at present is to retain the (shared) monarchy. But that's a bridge to be crossed later.

      EDITED to remove "tuition fees" reference. Scotland's education system is separate (and free), but this a bone of contention in England.

    • 5 months ago
  • oldbanjo
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      oldbanjo  
    • Vierotchka:

      The professor is using facts like Fox New uses. I have never insulted a War Hero Your father was in the most important job in England during the War. The Pilot was also. My comments are not in the right places.

    • 5 months ago
  • MolliBlum
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      MolliBlum  
    • Vierotchka:

      You're right that most Scots don't hate the English -- but whether most of them want independence or not will be determined in the 2014 referendum. Opinion on that seems relatively evenly split at the moment. It could go either way, I think.

    • 5 months ago
  • oldbanjo
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      oldbanjo  
    • MolliBlum:

      It did shock me when the English Police talked like they did about the people in Scotland, everyone heard it, almost like they were trying to start trouble. Just minutes ago my brother called me and he said that they don't hate each other, I guess it was just the people that I was around.

    • 5 months ago
  • oldbanjo
  • oldbanjo
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      oldbanjo  
    • Vierotchka:

      My answers to you are not in the right places, from now own I will reference what is stated, then answer. I'm slow on this computer I sure hate to have to do more writing.

    • 5 months ago
  • Vierotchka
  • MolliBlum
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      MolliBlum  
    • oldbanjo:

      I must say that shocks me too. You’d think that any police officer transferred to serve in another region of the UK should be vetted for such prejudiced views.

    • 5 months ago
  • Radical_Centrist
  • Vierotchka
  • oldbanjo
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      oldbanjo  
    • MolliBlum:

      We were in a Hotel, bar area, at a table, they were load and everyone in the room heard them. They were in uniform, I've never seen anyone do that in my life. The World is made up of all kinds of people.

    • 5 months ago
  • MolliBlum
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      MolliBlum  
    • oldbanjo:

      Obviously, you don't have to respond to this if you feel it might compromise your privacy, but I'd be really curious to know what city this happened in. (At least, I assume it was a city and not some rural area).

    • 5 months ago
  • MolliBlum
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      MolliBlum  
    • Radical_Centrist:

      ... when "WE" did...

      Shouldn't we all just be grateful for the successful outcome of a team effort, and not start a new pissing contest about whose contribution weighed most?

    • 5 months ago
  • 2warsoffbooks
  • oldbanjo
  • oldbanjo
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      oldbanjo  
    • MolliBlum:

      I've been retired just over 20 years, it was around 8 or 10 before I retired. It's hard for me to put a date, I did a lot of traveling back then, Guam, Scotland, Spain, Israel, Nova Scotia and Italy, I went to Spain four times and Italy three times.

    • 5 months ago
  • MolliBlum
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      MolliBlum  
    • oldbanjo:

      Wow. That's even worse. Dunoon is a very small town. I was thinking it might have been somewhere more urban such as Glasgow. Now Glasgow, I could imagine. But what police chief in their right mind would send such bigots to a wee place like Dunoon? That's a recipe for trouble -- especially on the west coast.

    • 5 months ago
  • oldbanjo
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      oldbanjo  
    • MolliBlum:

      I thought they were trying to cause trouble, but no one said anything. They were not drunk and I'm not even sure that they were drinking. Everywhere I ever went I would ask questions and see how people lived in the different Countries, and everyone was friendly, this was the only time that I saw anything like this. These two considered the people there to be dirt/filth everything they said was bad, and they didn't explain why they had said that. That's the only time we saw the Police there. The next day my boss, a girl that came with us and I were invited to a dance in walking distance from there, by a group of old women. We went to the dance the next evening and had a good time. Everyone was as nice as they could be. Most of my trips were three to four weeks.

    • 5 months ago
  • MolliBlum
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      MolliBlum  
    • oldbanjo:

      No doubt policemen, if on duty, were not drunk. I think your experience of the rest of the evening with colleagues/friends was definitely more representative of the situation.

    • 5 months ago
  • alexandrekBack
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      alexandrekBack  
    • scary that people could still things like that in 2012, defending the gun control using ref like the holocaust, if she wanted to talk foreign examples, then why not showing Europe where the result are proving Gun control works very well.
      It's just pure wrong talk, made by a right wing "think I am smart" twart.

      She representes The worst of USA, a backward idiot, using biased "fact" digest for her by her party/loby, Trying to sounds smart while she didn't even try to see what's working or not outside USA, trying to sound educated and knowledgable when she's not.

      No wonder USA is going down

    • 5 months ago
  • maasanova
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      maasanova  
    • alexandrekBack:

      The US has allows responsible citizen's legal ownership guns. There are gun control laws already on the books that are not stopping mass shootings. The reality is that the genie has long been out of the bottle, a gun ban would not take all of the guns off the street and total gun confiscation would not only be logistically difficult, expensive but also literally impossible.

      Plus, Americans can point to current day Chicago as an example of why strict gun control not only doesn't work, but is also dangerous for law abiding citizens.

      And also, the reason America is going down is largely due to corrupt leadership.

    • 5 months ago
  • Paratus
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      Paratus  
    • alexandrekBack:

      The USA is going down due to liberalism not the exercise of civil rights, personal responsibility and the proclivity toward self defense. Just a little backward aren't you.

    • 5 months ago
  • alexandrekBack
  • alexandrekBack
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      alexandrekBack  
    • maasanova:

      What do you call "responsible" when guns are easily bought of a Wall mart, any pawn shop or online.

      What do you call "responsible" with allowing anyone to own a bushmaster, many extra capacity charger and hundreds of rounds, this is insanity, a call to violence, nothing else.

      one thing we agree, NRA is a big corrupter, that's the only reason guns are so easy to get nowadays, nothing nationalist, nothing honourable, a greedy and disgraceful detournment of teh 2nd amendments

      Allowing the gun to run freely as todays is helping another man to kill our kids

    • 5 months ago
  • hombre76
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      hombre76  
    • Paratus:

      How the fuck do you have the gall to say this while I, a raging Liberal has fought tooth and nail against these fearful foreign interlopers. This is not a right left issue. Unite with me in this or expose your partisan agenda at the detriment of OUR nation.

    • 5 months ago
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