Anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist, the man who is known for a pledge, went on MSNBC the other day to let everyone know that Obama "thinks somebody made him king" and that the PRESIDENT should "know his 'place' in the universe..."
His Holy Eminence Grover Norquist
Columbia Professor Blasts Grover Norquist Pledge As ‘Seditious’ And ‘Treasonous’
Thurman’s main point is that Congresspeople take an oath to upload the Constitution of the United States, and among the promises they make are to “bear true faith and allegiance” to it. According to Thurman, pledging an oath to the U.S. government and pledging an oath to Grover Norquist can’t co-exist:
“95% of the Congressmen and Republican senators have sworn a written oath to someone called Grover Norquist and an organization called American For Tax Reform, that they will under no circumstances, and for no reason, raise taxes of any kind on anyone. And therefore, they have taken an oath to an outside organization which is not supported by the U.S. Constitution – which gives Congress the right to levy taxes, to do the work of the people through the government –but this is a non governmental organization, not elected by anybody and supported by big money people who are making money by not having to pay taxes.”
Mr. Norquist, Mr. Obama has been elected by the people to represent us as our President, not once but twice. You do not have the courage to put your name on a ballot and allow the people to vote for or against your ideas and yet you are intent upon forcing them on us.
It sounds to me like you might be the one not knowing your place. No one cares what you think and we have been voting against politicians that you have been bribing to do your bidding. You can go away now.
As for the boy-who-cried-wolf cries of racism I would just like to say that there definitely is racism towards Obama, and we should reserve our finger-pointing for those real situations otherwise our condemnation of actual racism will ring hollow. Seriously, Norquist said something stuipid to make everybody mad and keep everyone divided and fighting amongst ourselves. There is no reason to fall into this trap set by an idiot like Norquist.
...don't count that creature rove out. He fell from grace before and managed a comeback, evil as deep as his seems to always come back - just like Dracula in those wonderful old Hammer Horror films (except minus the wonderful part, nuthin about rove is that)!
I think nonsensical statements like this are simply intended to keep people fighting. It really has no other consequence other than that. It makes conservatives believe that Obama is an evil socialist (which is as far from the truth as one can possibly get), and it puts liberals in defense of Obama (who does not deserve one shred of support from liberals). It makes people fight over absolute nonsense. That is how the game is played. One glance at the comments here demonstrates that I am correct.
Don't you wonder just who is this Grover Norquist who has such a maniacal hold on the Republican Party? Mickey Edwards isn't the only conservative who would like to see the party free itself from his grip. Writing in the "Financial Times" last week, the conservative journalist Christopher Caldwell describes the Norquist Pledge as a “partisan document,” “a ratchet driving taxes down to unsustainable levels,” and it “symbolizes a political system short on legitimacy.” Norquist claims the pledge is something politicians make to their constituents, not to him. But Caldwell wonders “who authorized him to collect politicians' signatures on their constituents' behalf.”
Even this misses the main point. Norquist's efforts - keep taxes low for his donor base, billionaires like the Koch brothers and the plutocrats secretly clustered around Norquist's comrade, Karl Rove. This past election, Norquist's group, Americans for Tax Reform, spent nearly $16 million to support his favored candidates; that's according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Where did that money come from, and what did it buy? Back in the 1990's it was the tobacco industry backing Norquist's fight against cigarette taxes; now it's the pharmaceutical companies, among others. Not long ago, this same Grover Norquist was using his organization to launder money for the notorious lobbyist Jack Abramoff. How about that for tax reform!
Check it out yourself in the documentary "Capitol Crimes" on our website Bill Moyers.com. You'll see the story of how the man who has the Republican Party under his thumb came to Washington to start a revolution and wound up running a racket. Now he's the proxy for the powerful interest groups that finance him. So, not only does the Norquist Pledge symbolize a "political system short on legitimacy," as Christopher Caldwell wrote, it isn't even about principle or ideology. Conservatism my foot, it's all about the money.
The pot calling the kettle black! This jerk is simply one of the most conspicuous megalomaniacs in the media lately. He thinks far more highly of himself that anyone around him does. It's little wonder since the media catapulted him into a media celebrity.
Grover Norquist, the highly influential conservative lobbyist, once famously said, “I’m not in favor of abolishing the government. I just want to shrink it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.” Now it seems that it’s Norquist’s influence doing the shrinking, as Republican lawmakers bail on a pledge they made to Norquist about never raising taxes.
So let me get this straight, he wants to drown our government like a cat in a bathtub, why are all these News stations giving him any air time at all, he's insulting the American people, he is not qualified to have an opinion on any subject. Stop pretending he has anything of value to contribute to our national discourse. He is a terrorist and should be treated as such. It would be best to deport him to Somalia where there is no government to teach him a lesson. Everything he says out of his mouth will backfire someday.
You don't drown cats in bathtubs. Usually you put cats in a burlap sack and throw em in a river.
He wants to shrink government to the size he can drown in a bathtub, I think the metaphor implies drowning babies!
That’s exactly where he should be, and there's over a dozen of his friends who need to follow behind him, for sedition and treason, he also has a bunch of lawmakers swearing to obey him, and they’re not obeying their oath of office. This also makes everyone who signed up with him guilty of the aforementioned crimes as well.
Perhaps you guys should look to truth. It is tiring to hear the left constantly finding racism where it does not exist. Racism seems to be whatever the left wants it to be and what they want it to be depends on who says it. Was it racist when Biden made his chains comment in Vriginia as he lied about Republicans during the campaign? The left is so self righteous, condescending and wrong about sooooo much.
Mr. Norquist is like most income tax evaders. He preaches non reality. I actually wish I could speak my full mind at the present time but I can not! Incidently, I was a tax expert under 26 usc 7802! Norquist and others do not see the clouds in the sky. It is the public citizen who should be served, "NOT" the public employee!
Grover Norquist has a sense of self-importance that cannot be appreciated reasonable people. He seeks out the weak-minded to manipulate and do his bidding. Too many too uneducated. When they listen only to the massaged facts of fake news; they want to believe and so they do. No fact checking and no truth crusade can dissuade the ingrained bigotry of the sheep.
I hear you loud and clear…..I wish Current TV would create a button where we can block anyone using racist slurs on our thread, there should be a way to block them immediately, and with full control of our thread we can eliminate them and their racial slurs. Or Current TV should enthusiastically ban their comments from the site. We all are adults here; we should have the capacity to disagree without being disagreeable to each other. Understand your position here! I have confidence that Current, with the acknowledgment of this atypical behavior, will have a positive effect.
Thank you in advance Current
"Extremists from both the left and the right feel free to use racially loaded language to disparage Obama. "
Nothing in the post that even remotely resembles. I didn't open the video as it will not work on the download capability I have- no broadband here.
I believe a term of "Bush-Dark" would mean he is a darker version of Bush which would be a racially offensive as calling Bush "Obama Light". Is this what you are saying? It would be the same as saying that Obama is doing what Bush, or anyone else, is/was doing.
You guys got to get off this constant b.s about racism. It's getting old and clouding the real issue which is, I'm sure, the intent.
You are so right. I am getting so sick of both the 'right' and the 'far-left' being so disparaging toward this President. It's like they think it's okay to be disrespectful because he is black.
What is so disheartening is that on the right is has become main-stream. However, I am starting to get a little more hopeful that more and more people consider the 'right' too extreme these days. Now if we can tamp down this racist rhetoric coming from the 'far-left' to prevent it to become main-stream, I'll have more hope.
There are some on here, and you know who they are, who continue to use the term profusely because they know it upsets us. Now THAT is childish.
Ol' Grover's so afraid of his apparent inconsequential future... poor little guy.
I still laugh about what you said awhile back: "Grover's going the way of the desert-bandicoot and the dodo."
Now the little douche is waving his tiny arms and yelling: "look at me, LOOK AT ME."
HE's a guy who should know HIS place ... on the scrap heap formerly run by Jack Abramoff & Tom Delay, dying and gasping for his last breath.
The word "formerly" should be on his business card, if he still has one. He's become a legend in his own mind.
You are a good example of my comment above about being so wrong about so much. I posted a lot here about why I voted the way I did. With their usual abandonment, leftists here saw what they wanted in those statements. "My side" did not loose, the country lost. I wanted neither to win but thought at the time, and history will prove me correct, that Romney would be the better choice so I voted AGAINST Obama not for Romney. I would have voted for my tractor before Barry but the Republicans put in Romney, ran a poor campaign, could not counter the lies, and the numbers of those were legion, the left told and in general, ran a poor campaign. THAT is why Obama won and a decent, much more qualified man lost. In his loosing, Marxism got another leg up, personal freedom and success got hammered. Oh, since you seem to be a bit obtuse about some things, I am not a Republican.
Did I say you are a republican? No. I don't know or care what you are, but your side lost big. I base knowing the "side" you're on by your comments. You've made your excuses for Romney. What about the fact that the American people cast more votes (popular vote tally) for democratic candidates than republican candidates in both the House and Senate?
Exactly! He prefers working behind the scenes, because he know without a doubt he would not get elected, people just don't like him. A good politician is really like a good salesperson. Buy now and pay later, and threats do not yield the best results. Instead, the politician or salesperson must be committed to providing the facts clearly and logically. This approach moves the prospect to take action, and he can’t even do that. We really need to clean out Congress, it needs a good sweeping. I have never seen so much hate in Congress until now. I guess all that time they were hiding it from the people . After all, who buys from a salesman who promises to screw you over?
I wish the MSM would stop allowing this 'anti-American' any more airtime. Yesterday he told Andrea Mitchell that congress' priority should be to stop Obama's from being a big spender. It made me want to gag, since Obama has taken office the annual budget has actually gone down each year. The deficit is the direct result of starting two wars and at the same time giving everyone a big tax cut while Bush was President. Where were the same member of Congress then? It has been proven time and time again that Republican Administrations have always exploded the debt and the Democratic Administrations lower the debt. It's because Democratic Administrations understand that raising taxes is important to paying the bills. Revenue has to come from somewhere.
Great comment northernexpat.....George W. Bush was the big spender and nobody said anything about all the money he spent. He did any and everything he wanted to do and no one stopped him. He didn't pay for the wars he started in Iraq or Afghanistan; he didn't pay for anything he spent. And today he should be in prison holding Cheney's hand. Incidentally he did it all in the NAME of the American people!!! Check out Olbermann special comment more info concerning Bush.
Thanks for the info. Now it makes more sense why she has him on her show so often, because he should be irrelevant to this discussion. He is not an elected official! Also, I am SO sick of people in the MSM not calling these jerks out for their disrespect to the President. Heck, if anyone said one word against Bush they were called unpatriotic.
I agree. When Cheney was Vice President he said deficits didn't matter. Now that there is a Democrat in the White House trying to decide how to erase the debt built up by the Bush Administration, the GOP are saying that the deficit is because Obama is a 'big spender'. If people believe that then they are more ignorant than I thought.
Absolutely he’s irrelevant, and a nobody, who probably receive his paycheck from the Koch brothers, there's no shame in him, they’re acting as if president Obama is running again in 2016 election, da## I thought the election was over. Know what? All this sh## is about disrespecting the voters.
You are correct, and right now they are looking at how they can steal the election in 2016 instead of trying to change their views to match the will of the people. You just wait, if the GOP maintain control of any of the swings States in 2014, they will gerrymandering the Electoral College to insure they win the White House in 2016 even though they will not win the popular vote. They will also work more stealthy to change their voter laws to prohibit more people voting.
No I didn't. But it sure explains a lot. I hardly every watch her show and have usually only seen her when she has been on Rachel Maddow's show or when other programs show an interview she had. Which is how I saw her interview with Grover. It was covered on Lawrence O'Donnell's show last night.
By the way, I've really started to enjoy Lawrence's show lately because he really explains the inter-workings of congress. His 'Rewrite' was especially insightful tonight giving people the step-by-step process Obama used to get the GOP to actually raise taxes. Since he knows how hard it is to deal with the GOP he says that Obama got the best deal he could have gotten while saving unemployment insurance for the long-term jobless workers and benefits for the lower income workers.
I've been keeping tabs on Lawrence for quite some time now. As a former senate staffer he knows just exactly how to break it down for a layman. He can also get pretty fired up, and he actually called out Scott Brown over his treatment of SENATOR WARREN. Rachel is ok, she does some first rate work. And if they NEVER give grover free air time again I will be very content to live without his snake oil self.