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Ted Nugent - Vietnam War Draft Dodger - defecated/urinated in pants 10 days - "I did not want to get my ass blown off in Vietnam"

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(See original document pictured.) "Since we've been discussing Ted Nugent lately, this seemed a good time to bring up Nugent's draft dodging. It's well known that Nugent claims to have gone to great lengths to flunk his Draft Board physical. What's not so well-known is that he got a student deferment at the same time he was touring with his rock band, putting in an average of 300 shows a year. How was he going to school and touring that much at the same time?

One of our readers sent me a copy of an extract of Nugent's Selective Service records, obtained via a FOIA request (copy below). As you can see, Nugent received student deferments in 1967 (1-S) and 1968 (2-S). But according to the Internet Movie Data Base website, Nugent has been "performing professionally since 1958, non-stop yearly touring since 1967, averaging more than 300 shows per year '67-73." Hmm, that would include the two years he was supposedly too wrapped up in his studies to be serving his country.

But that hasn't stopped Nugent from insisting that if he HAD served, he would have been one big mofo soldier. As the Rutland Herald reported, Here's what Nugent said he would have done if he went to Vietnam:

"... if I would have gone over there, I'd have been killed, or I'd have killed, or I'd kill all the hippies in the foxholes ... I would have killed everybody," he told the Detroit Free Press in an interview published July 15, 1990."

The Herald also noted that Nugent's efforts to avoid the draft make President Bush look like a war hero.

(Nugent claims) that 30 days before his Draft Board Physical, he stopped all forms of personal hygiene. The last 10 days he ingested nothing but junk food and Pepsi, and a week before his physical, he stopped using the bathroom altogether, virtually living inside his pants caked with excrement and urine. That spectacle won Nugent a deferment.

Sean Hannity went to ridiculous lengths Friday night (8/24/07) to defend Nugent's threatening rants against Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. FOX & Friends whitewashed Nugent's comments the next day. Apparently, this "patriot" can do no wrong on the "We like America" network."
(News Hounds, Aug.26, 2007)

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133 comments // Ted Nugent - Vietnam War Draft Dodger - defecated/urinated in pants 10 days - "I did not want to get my ass blown off in Vietnam"

  • Richard_Gasiorowski
    • +1
      Richard_Gasiorowski  

    • To Jeff_Erickson you a picture of what the gun idiots are all about - if a MAN is too afraid to stand up for his country even when its wrong to him morally its the law and he has no excuse for not serving., However now that the law is to his likjnig he is all for it. Why is he all for it? Cause he basically is a coward - a wimp a flat out sissy. So if you defned him you must also be a gun toting sissy with fat arms

    • 3 months ago
  • Richard_Gasiorowski
  • Jeff_Erickson
    • 0
      Jeff_Erickson  

    • Yes, he dodged the draft, thousands did. He's not the only one. Hell a draft dodger became POTUS. To anyone who judges another is a hypocrite. The only ones who can be judgmental are the ones who served since then and to now.

      Nuge to me is a guy who is an advocate for your right to keep and bear arms.
      I'm not hiding the fact he dodged the draft okay? Don't get upset about that.

      What I'm saying is, every site I go on, everyone seems to just have so much anger pent up anger and are so quick to judge when you don’t even know the guy.

      Some of you say “WELL FUCK YOU MAN! I DON’T WANT TO KNOW HIM!”
      Okay, that’s your choice, but if you see what it says, me? I don’t think he was cut out for the military. Via his views, he’d had ended up on the wall. Probably not by enemy fire, but as fratricide. We don’t know because he decided not to serve.

      As a vet, yeah, that pisses me off a bit, because I call that a coward. And I can, because I served. If you didn’t serve, you can’t be judgmental because you didn’t serve either.

      You can call him a “chicken-shit, white trash, red neck.”, “Wuss.”, “wuss “,“racist“, “ass-visor”, etc…

      He’s done USO shows for us and I’m gonna tell you, he’s always well received even though we know his past. Why? Because he’s doing that for us and when we need to hear some Wango Tango, he played it.

      When was the last time you did anything volunteer wise for the troops?
      Just asking.

    • 3 months ago
  • Robert_Arvin
    • +2
      Robert_Arvin  

    • Lot of talk from a chicken-shit white trash red neck. Gee, funny how he thinks he's so great just because a bunch of drunken, drugged up teens like his noise. I never liked his noise back in the day nor has anything come out yet to make me change my mind. Beam me up Scotty, no sign of intelligence down here.

    • 4 months ago
  • Stephanie_Palmer
  • Ric_Larson
  • keithponder
  • keithponder
  • savroD
  • dugdog47
  • WagonMaster
  • MarshainFlorida
  • notsure
  • Jeff_Erickson
  • s_peak
    • +3
      s_peak  

    • Without soldiers, there won't be war. Our army has become a financial out for people in trouble (that's the reason most of my friends joined)... and with the class gap widening and easy jobs going to robots, that means more people turn to the army to dig themselves out of debt (note: our entire system is based on debt, so it's really kind of ridiculous).

      With that in mind. Our army supports for-profit wars, which makes our soldiers essentially unintentional mercenaries... I mean no offense by this, but that seems logical to me. Wars are essentially continued to help our economy (I hear they're going to Africa next), since Capitalism requires infinite expansion.

      Solution: Don't join the army, protest the draft.

    • 4 months ago
  • MSII
    • +3
      MSII  
    • s_peak:

      Well and truly said! You mentioned a major taboo subject the fact that our form of laissez-faire-crony-capitalism requires infinite growth, exactly! One of the reasons it's unsustainable, can't very well manage infinite growth in a finite system. In rare instances where the most staid and conservative of economists are presented with this fact they immediately start ranting the most out-there sci-fi dreams, "oh we'll go mine the planets, etc, etc." even though the economics just haven't managed to make any of that happen, cost of getting into space being so very high (not saying for a second I'm against space, very much the opposite, we need to expand into space as Carl Sagan spoke about, all the eggs in one basket isn't a formula for survival).

    • 4 months ago
  • Jeff_Erickson
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      Jeff_Erickson  
    • s_peak:

      Wow dude, am I reading this right? I joined because Saddam flexed and we whupped his ass in 100 hours after a 42 day air campaign. I am offended you said everything you just did.

      And the US Government couldn't afford a draft and those still on active duty don't want a draft. Low intensity conflict we have now, doesn't require a million man Army, because it would break us financially.

      It's Americans like you that I say, "Don't worry, you keep texting, playing XBOX games, living your life, complacently. I've got the watch on this tower and will let nothing bad happen to you. I volunteered for my service to protect people like you. I will lay down my life if need be so you can have a family of your own. I will gladly come home in a box, so that when you see me on TV, you will know the sacrifice of my duty, and that's to keep you free. All I ask is that you remember that sacrifce. For I am the American Servicemember. Rest your head, sleep well." - J Erickson

    • 3 months ago
  • s_peak
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      s_peak  
    • Jeff_Erickson:

      I appreciate your sacrifice, and, given the chance to protect humanity, the planet, or freedom, I would be happy to do the same. My point is that most people's reason to join the army to fight in this (or any other) war is essentially misguided (maybe even understandably).

      Someone has already said it better than me, though:

      "Where it all went wrong for Saddam is when he determined that to repay and rebuild his war torn country he would reclaim Kuwaitt as part of Iraq. Eventhough Kuwaitt was indeed formerly always part of Mesopotamia, an attack on an oil gulf state was a bad move against an oil US president in G.Bush. The combination of his anti-Israeli rhetoric and his agression on our oil emirs was grounds for turning against him."

      ...

      "In the end, Saddam was going to price his oil in Euros. Considering the US dollar is the currency choice for oil trading and is a hedge against American inflation by international markets, a shift to the Euro would not make gas more expensive but rather might lead to the abandonement of dollar reserves for other countries. Such an accurance would put the dollar in free fall."

      Essentially... Saddam threatened to collapse our economy, which is propped up on stilts as it is... so we killed him. This is not uncommon. Read the book "Confessions of an economic hitman" ... and if you still think we went in there for a good reason, we should have a discussion about it.

      An interesting note also relates to Gaddafi. He essentially did the same thing recently. He threatened to switch oil over to what would be a gold standard... and as was admitted by members of the federal reserve: the US basically has no gold as currency. So this again threatened our economic growth (and in capitalism, as you probably know, we require infinite growth to support our economy... hence the destruction and ownership of new lands, like Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. These countries are full of the only resource we want: oil)

      Our army is in support of corporate rule, and nothing more. When we need to protect our financial interests and we can't use bribery, we assassinate, or go to war. We've been doing it for quite some time now, and we've gotten very efficient at it.

    • 3 months ago
  • s_peak
  • Jeff_Erickson
  • s_peak
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      s_peak  
    • Jeff_Erickson:

      See that's exactly my point... Mindless violence doesn't get anyone anywhere. Why would you lash out like that so quickly? I stated facts that have been corroborated, recorded and backed up by presidents, historians... etc... I'm not attacking you personally... because there's no point in that. The military has ruined every one of my friends that have come back. Do you think we should have been in Iraq? I mean... even Dick Armey stated he regretted the whole debacle and that he was lied to. So if you can explain to me your point, I'm ready to listen. Shouting macho bullshit doesn't exactly help you win a debate... so seriously, man. Tell me. I'm not being a dick, I mean it. Explain to me your side on this. And if you're truly interested in seeing solid sources, I'll be happy to link some.

      Call me a coward? You can't even have a debate without threatening violence. THAT'S an act of cowardice! Prove me wrong. Explain to me how what I wrote was incorrect.

    • 3 months ago
  • s_peak
    • +1
      s_peak  
    • MSII:

      Indeed. I agree. It's crazy to me that people are so callous when it comes to this planet in general. Anyone who wants to protect our air and water is labeled a hippy and an enemy of progress, which is bullshit. I just don't want radioactive water, dead soil and toxic air. I feel like that's not too much to ask. I mean... we should take care of our world FIRST, since without that... you know... we all die choking on our own excess. Kind of a bad way to go.

      Yeah... it's that same old yarn: "Science will save us!" ... but that's definitely not true. Pretty much the opposite, actually. Because science that has no military application gets NO funding, and science that does is creating GMOs and phosphor bombs and other shit that's just adding to the suffering.

      Expansion into space is great, but I figure we should lockdown the problems we're having here first, yeah? :)

    • 3 months ago
  • MSII
  • Jeff_Erickson
  • Varex_Sythe
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      Varex_Sythe  
    • Jeff_Erickson:

      "You're a fucking douchebag man."

      Says the guy who's picture looks kinda like one of the cast members of Jersey Shore.

      Look, it's great that you served and I'm sure you provided a great service to your country, but that doesn't mean that someone can't disagree with you, and it doesn't mean that facts that someone else produces are meant to be attacks on either you or others who were in service.

      Regardless of why you thought you joined, your job was to protect this nation and the rights of it's people, that includes their rights to follow your political views or choose to follow views that you consider socialist. If you have a problem with people doing that, then you were in the wrong line of work turbo.

      And about the main topic, you know, Ted Nugent... I applaud him for volunteering for USO shows and the like, but that is not what is in being discussed or questioned. What is in question is that Nugent has valiantly supported the act of the Vietnam War prior to and after the wars end, yet he dodged the draft by literally acting pants shitting insane because he was too cowardly to go.

      Ted's support of a war which he made a super human attempt at acting crazy to get out of literally shows that Ted is the kind of guy who is willing to send other people to die, but not himself, for the things he believes.

      By the by, I just want to point out as one last little factoid about some of your comments. No, I have not been in any military service. My significant other, three of my best friends, and five good friends of mine have all done full tours in the Army, much of their time was spent in Iraq and Afghanistan. A few of them went in shortly before the towers went down, most of them went in afterwards, all of them have seen combat, and all of them have come back scarred from it or are still being scarred by it. So I want you to understand that I shit you not when I say that they have described guys, like you seem to appear to be, who seem to damn near blindly supported our invasion into Iraq and think that any and everyone who disagrees with them or points out things that they don't want to hear about our nation's military endeavors since Vietnam, and they have all used the same term. Brainwashed.

      If that pisses you off then, whoop de shit. Go ahead and cuss me out, call me a socialist pussy, hell... you can even go cry yourself a fucking river for all I care. Your service does demand respect, but that doesn't mean that your general point of view is better than those of people who you disagree with. Given your propensity for cussing and inability to accept the fact that people will not always agree with your point of view, it is apparent that you have the intelligence required to qualify for a Darwin Award. So if you haven't had any kids yet (sweet merciful Hell forbid...) do us all a favor and remove yourself from the gene pool, preferably through sterilization you jackoff.

    • 3 months ago
  • s_peak
  • Varex_Sythe
  • letsliveinpeace
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  

    • For all those who were led by this government to hell and all who stood up against that war here to get them out. This was a time in history that took many souls for the very same military/ industrial beast we still support on all sides when it suits the purpose. To bring it down to just more partisan sniping to entertain does a great disservice to many. Vietnam was so much bigger than Ted Nugent and his irrelevant partisan rantings and ours. Maybe one day he will have to reflect on his life as well as we all will in trying to understand this insanity.

    • 4 months ago
  • Gordon_Shumway
    • +9
      Gordon_Shumway  

    • It's my considered opinion that if the Army is afraid to let you carry a gun for THEM, there is an excellent case to be made that you should not be permitted to possess firearms at all ...

    • 4 months ago
  • bailey78
  • MSII
  • noxidereus
    • +6
      noxidereus  

    • I have 3 sons. I would do everything in my power to get them out of being drafted into any for-profit, expansion-of-empire, illegal, unjustified war if the draft is ever reinstituted. My sons will not be fodder for the elite. Period. Fighting to protect our country or for other sincerely good reasons is a totally different story -- and I mean for real, not just empty media propaganda because according to them all wars are about protecting our "freedom". There is no shame at all in deciding not to fight unjustified wars. In fact it is very brave to stand up for what is morally right against the tidal wave of ignorant judgement by a brainwashed public.

      The dogmatic, robotic, unthinking platitudes draped in nationalism that makes our delusional population think it is our duty to put our lives on the line for the sole benefit of the elite is just bullshit.

      "The master class has always declared the wars; the subject class has always fought the battles. The master class has had all to gain and nothing to lose, while the subject class has nothing to gain and all to lose - especially their lives." -- Eugene Victor Debs

      PS I'm not defending Ted Nugent. I think he's a total prick. I was just ranting generally about drafts for unjustified wars.

    • 4 months ago
  • JanforGore
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      JanforGore  
    • noxidereus:

      I agree with your 'rant' and submit this is all about partisan politics once again. I don't like Ted Nugent either, but I wonder if he were a "Democrat" if this thread would even be here.

    • 4 months ago
  • bailey78
  • 2warsoffbooks
  • 2warsoffbooks
    • +2
      2warsoffbooks  
    • JanforGore:

      For me it is not politics. I used to enjoy some of his music until I read an interview with him quite a few years ago. He explained that while on the road he frequently had relations with underaged girls and that they were selected for being underaged. (other considerations aside.) So I have for years considered him a serial rapist. His latest rants about guns IMO go beyond politics, beyond 1st amendment rights, and are purposely inflamatory and attempt to incite violence. These are completely separate issues from his draft dodging which may have issues relevant to noxi's comment above. But IMO he was just a coward in relation to his current right wing ideology.

    • 4 months ago
  • JanforGore
  • reactionforce
  • crabbyoldguy
    • 0
      crabbyoldguy  

    • Who did ? Some folks scored cush gigs so that they could wear the history, some even went so far as to join up to help their daddy's political career.

      The disgrace was the way the veterans, that were fortunate to escape with their lives, were spat upon on returning to their country of birth.

    • 4 months ago
  • Paratus
  • noxidereus
    • +6
      noxidereus  
    • Paratus:

      The purpose, I believe, is for us to all point and laugh at the opposition because it makes us feel better about ourselves and reaffirms our political positions. It's like when conservatives call Michael Moore fat, which means that he must be wrong about the state of health care in America... I guess. Or like when the best criticisms of OWS boiled down to "poo poo" and "pee pee" -- oh they poop on the ground and therefore they must be stupid dummies and are totally wrong about banks and corporations... or something. Stuff like this helps keep the people separated based on empty superficial meaningless junk. It keeps the conversation at the Junior-High level so that we don't hurt ourselves thinking too hard about real issues.

      I guess an article like this could demonstrate that Nugent is a hypocrite for posing as Mr super conservative man while he doesn't really practice what he preaches... but it's Ted Nugent! Who cares? Not me.

    • 4 months ago
  • Mark701
  • Mark701
    • +7
      Mark701  

    • You know what Teddy? NO ONE wanted to get their ass blown off in Vietnam. But many volunteered to go and many more were drafted. Setting aside the right or wrong of the war, they did what their country asked them to do. 55,000 of them paid with their lives and hundreds of thousands more came home physically and/or emotionally crippled.

      So what's the difference between you and the thousands of other draft dodgers during Vietnam? Simple, those folks haven't tried to establish themselves as some kind of testosterone driven, iconic Clint Eastwood type (apologies to Clint Eastwood) of macho tough guy claiming to to stand up for all the enfranchised beer drinking, gun toting white RACISTS that infect our country. You're noting but a coward and a pussy Teddy.

    • 4 months ago
  • MSII
  • Hardytoo
    • +3
      Hardytoo  
    • Mark701:

      Excellent comment, Mark. Unlike those who came to Canada as conscientious objectors, little Teddy's among the group that talks a good game, but heads for the hills when there's a real job to be done.
      Many of the guys who were drafted or who joined up had no idea of what they were headed in to, or what dishonesty was already underway on their arrival; but they faced it. And they faced it with righteous pride. Nugent wouldn't have an iota of a clue about what courage either of those groups had.

    • 4 months ago
  • Arizona_Huey
  • Radical_Centrist
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      Radical_Centrist  

    • I personally have no problem with people who got out of going to Viet Nam or Korea. Now if the enemy invades America and you run and hide you SHOULD be found an shot, but if you figure out how to avoid going to an UNCONSTITUTIONAL unnecessary War over Seas I say MORE power to ya!

      Most of the cowards today in power sending our Sons & Daughters to their Deaths did not serve whether under draft or enlistment. I can not stand John McCains views on these Wars, but I RESPECT the fact he went when he was called!

      I find it Funny that Ron Paul served during Viett Nam and he was the MOST anti-War guy in Congress. Then you have all the Chicken Hawks who want to send everybody else to die to prove how tough America is.

    • 4 months ago
  • warman1138
  • Hardytoo
  • Wyley_Wombat
    • +8
      Wyley_Wombat  

    • "I did not want to get my ass blown off in Vietnam"

      He would have no place to stick his head then. He is just a yellow striped chicken hawk like all the others: Lintball, Cheney, and G. Wanker Bu$h. They are all for war as long as someone else has their life on the line. Worthless shits all of them.

    • 4 months ago
  • noxidereus
  • Wyley_Wombat
  • polpott
    • +1
      polpott  

    • It would have been much better if he obeyed like a good boy and went to an immoral war in Vietnam, did heavy drugs, and was coerced into bayonetting babies, using trenching shovels on women, and worse, leaving him with an eternally damged soul. : /
      .

    • 4 months ago
  • Milieu
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      Milieu  
    • polpott:

      "leaving him with an eternally damaged soul."
      1. FTFY

      2. That is the definition of Republic Syndicate members and their Masters "eternally damaged soul."

    • 4 months ago
  • bike10
  • trut
  • WalmartRamen
  • WalmartRamen
  • bailey78
  • bailey78
  • oppressed1
  • cw9000
  • ThirdSection
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      ThirdSection  

    • If we're to enact gun control, it would be wise to let Nugent and his ilk talk... a lot. The more they say, the more it removes any doubt (from my mind, at least) that there are some people who shouldn't be allowed to own and operate a pea-shooter, much less a firearm.

    • 4 months ago
  • Hardytoo
  • VFORVENDETTA
  • Mark701
  • ThirdSection
  • VFORVENDETTA
  • ThirdSection
  • VFORVENDETTA
  • FreeSpiritMuse
  • Gordon_Shumway
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      Gordon_Shumway  
    • FreeSpiritMuse:

      Hmmm ... Let me think that through.

      So, based on your one word observation {Turd}; it's possible that when Nugent said he had poop in his pants, he simply meant that HE was in fact in his own pants.

      It dos make a kind of sense when you think of it that way ...

    • 4 months ago
  • MarshainFlorida
  • bailey78
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  • MarshainFlorida
  • HarukoHaruhara
  • bailey78
  • bailey78
  • MarshainFlorida
  • bailey78
  • letsliveinpeace
  • bailey78
  • HarukoHaruhara
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      HarukoHaruhara  

    • He has since claimed he made up the story about peeing his pants.

      But how did he get two "student" deferments when he was playing guitar in the Amboy Dukes, which was for its time a pretty big and successful rock band?

    • 4 months ago
  • MarshainFlorida
  • Vierotchka
  • MarshainFlorida
  • ThirdSection
  • keithponder
  • s_peak
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      s_peak  
    • keithponder:

      Well isn't it kind of hypocritical for Americans to go to war? We claim to want freedom and democracy, but we force other nations into our political philosophy ... then install our own leaders through force ("confessions of an economic hitman")

    • 4 months ago
  • Ricky84
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      Ricky84  

    • I don't see anything wrong with this. Vietnam was an unjust war. We slaughtered countless innocents to stop a perceived evil and the only thing we got out of it was a damaged generation that never fully recovered. Ok he didn't man up and go play mass murder in the jungle...So fucking what?

    • 4 months ago
  • keithponder
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      keithponder  
    • Ricky84:

      He didn't go because of his ideological differences with the war. He didn't go because he was afraid of getting his ass blown off.

      Ted Nugent is brave enough to kill innocent animals that can't shoot back, but he won't show up for a fair fight.

    • 4 months ago
  • Ricky84
  • MarshainFlorida
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      MarshainFlorida  
    • Ricky84:

      The "so what" is that he makes himself out to be a hero, and will be the first one to vote in favor of the next "unjust war" since he will be too old to serve. But he won't mind sending others to be killed. Gotta keep the defense contracts coming in.

    • 4 months ago
  • MarshainFlorida
  • MarshainFlorida
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      MarshainFlorida  
    • Ricky84:

      It's fortunate for all of us that he's not in politics, but if you read his complete bio in wikipedia, you'd know that if he had the opportunity to cause others to go to war, being the Staunch Conservative that he is, you'd have to have a screw loose to not know he'd be waving the flag as he sent everyone he could to fight. His only ideology is being able to kill animals - even indescriminately. He's also a deadbeat dad.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nugent

    • 4 months ago
  • Ricky84
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      Ricky84  
    • MarshainFlorida:

      Right but his current or past political leanings don't make going to Vietnam ethically or logically the right move. It's pretty disingenuous/weird to argue it's wrong for even a far right, gun and war friendly person to object to going to a particular war. Plus we're not talking about WW2 or the Revolutionary War. I don't begrudge anyone for not going to Vietnam. Better to be coward than a brave, murdering tool of our psychotic foreign policy.

    • 4 months ago
  • MarshainFlorida
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      MarshainFlorida  
    • Ricky84:

      You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I would have had more respect for him if he had voiced being in disagreement with the war like those who did and fled to Canada. Instead he constantly lied about his being in school, and now I'm sure as I'm sitting here that he will be very much in favor of any new wars the GOP chooses to get us into, and they will. Otherwise, what need is there for increased military funds that they want?

    • 4 months ago
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