Community | February 20, 2013 | 28 comments

Is a HOME-BUSINESS Considered PERSONAL or PRIVATE PROPERTY?

Do anarcho-collectivists (anarcho-communists/anarcho-syndicalists/mutualists,…) view a home-business that hires workers, personal property or private property? With so much subjectivity, wouldn’t it discourage production in fear of legalized theft by others…

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  • Tom_Graham
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      Tom_Graham  
    • The IRS and tax law should be looked at for all such questions.
      The people who write the tax code are masters of combining collectivism with private property ownership.

      Property ownership simply means that you have a "bundle or Rights" in regard to that property. They consist of possession, control, exclusion, enjoyment, and disposition.

      The rights have nothing to do with any other contract you have entered into with a government (I promise to pay taxes as a citizen, if I do not the government can take any value I have stored in my home)

      The rights have nothing to do with any other contract you have entered into with a lender (I've signed a promissory note with the bank and have used my home as collateral, if I don't pay the bank, they can take the bundle of rights that is ownership my home)

      I'd also like to correct a statement you made.
      In the U.S., the "collective"(government) cannot take your home. They can merely take the "equity" you have in your home. They cannot take your right to the house.

      So, in a society that is becoming more and more collective every day, it may be a good idea to "own" property so you have the bundle of rights, but not to build equity so the collective has no recourse.

    • 1 month ago
  • Tom_Graham
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      Tom_Graham  
    • It depends on how you file your taxes.

      If you claim that a portion of the house was used for business, then you get to deduct expenses to heat, power and maintain that portion of your home.
      However!!! When you sell (trade) your home, that part that you have claimed as business must be returned to the collective, since you have personally already gained (did not have to pay property taxes on that portion on the home), and if you have any gain from the sale of the property you need to return that gain to the collective, in the form of a check (or gold) sent to the government (leaders, counsel, parliament, elders, whatever).

      This is a simple case of accounting and applies in any society that has trade.

    • 1 month ago
  • Scrapner
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      Scrapner [removed]  
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    • The home is Department of Homeland Security property. At least they think so. A DHS agent breaks into a home, rifles around a little, hears someone in the shower goes into the bathroom to have a peak, woman in the shower hears intruder gets gun, the DHS agent busts in and "No More Hesitation" blasts her away.

    • 3 months ago
  • sedwin
  • shanklinmike
  • sedwin
  • shanklinmike
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      shanklinmike [removed]  
    • sedwin:

      No, I don't know... are you talking about republicans or voluntaryists? You do understand the difference between them is about night and day,... but many people falsely lump them together in the right... which group are you referring to? I know plenty of republicans that defend licensing and central planning and militaries and police and government...

    • 3 months ago
  • snoskier
  • Gordon_Shumway
  • shanklinmike
  • Cheryl_Lowry
  • Gordon_Shumway
  • Gordon_Shumway
  • shanklinmike
  • Gordon_Shumway
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      Gordon_Shumway  
    • shanklinmike:

      "So you are afraid of a word?!? Anarchy is not chaos... "

      Anarchy absolutely is chaos. The non-aggression principle that you advocate is an ideal that has never been shown as a practical way of organizing a society. I believe that the first recorded instance of its application was in Genesis, Chapter 4. It failed when Cain killed Abel.

      Nothing since gives the idea any more currency than it had just then ...

    • 3 months ago
  • savroD
  • shanklinmike
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    • savroD:

      I am confused... do you actually believe government = will of the people?!?

      Furthermore... if theft was outlawed,... there would be no commons/government... because government can only survive by stealing other people's property...

    • 3 months ago
  • Catmommy
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      Catmommy  
    • shanklinmike:

      Ooh, how scary. What always amazes me about people who make comments like yours is that they never seem to offer an alternative to democracy that does not involve violence and bulldozing over other people's rights. Don't like government? Then get off the roads, don't take a tax refund, and refuse your Social Security benefits when they're avialable. Funny how you anti-government types are never willing to put your government money and benefits of living in a democratic society where your mouths are.

    • 3 months ago
  • coolplanet
  • coolplanet
  • TanzaniteDiamonds
  • coolplanet
  • TanzaniteDiamonds
  • Gordon_Shumway
  • VoluntaryistRebel
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      VoluntaryistRebel [removed]  
    • In all honesty I can't imagine an anarcho communist society existing with out an anarcho capitalist / voluntaryist society already in place. I say this because ancaps/voluntaryist would adhere to the non aggression principle and allow people to buy up as much property they wanted so that they can create the society they wish to have on their land. If said people wish to live in said situation, that is obviously their choice.

    • 3 months ago
  • Michael_Weinheimer
  • shanklinmike
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    • Michael_Weinheimer:

      but in a collectivist society where private property is not acknowledged... that means it would not be the individual owners,... but everyone's...

      Anarcho-collectivists don't believe in private property... they see it as theft.

      This is not what I believe,... I personally believe in private property. I am asking them what would happen...

    • 3 months ago
  • Cheryl_Lowry

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