TAX THE RICH. TAX THE BANKSTERS. TAX THE CORPORATIONS.

CUT THE MILITARY. CUT CORPORATE WELFARE.

END THE AUSTERITY.

That won't work. It only solves about 10% of the problem, what about the other 90% of the deficits?

Why did you delete your comment, Kennymotown? Afraid it was going to get flagged? lol. No, I will not "go f*** myself", but you may have done that to yourself.

You just made that 10% figure up. NOT TRUE.

TAX THE RICH. TAX THE BANKSTERS. TAX THE CORPORATIONS.

CUT THE MILITARY. CUT CORPORATE WELFARE.

END THE AUSTERITY.

Well, and sanely (also truly) said!

{money doesn't grow on trees right?}

It does in LIBERAL-LAND.

Seriously, it is the "evil rich." KARL MARX said that those in control of the MEANS OF PRODUCTION have enough wealth to provide for ALL of us. It must be returned to the proletarians in the name of fairness and compassion!

{It only solves about 10% of the problem, what about the other 90% of the deficits?}

You are going about this all wrong. Try it the LEFT-WINGER way and see what happens.

Here is what you do:

Close your eyes.
Put your hands over your ears.
Scream EVIL RICH! EVIL RICH!
Stamp your feet.

Let me know how that works.

Writing a comment to yourself? You've been exposed, and the list is growing of sock puppets.....Soon you'll really see what F-ing yourself is like! LOL

{Culdee:
You just made that 10% figure up.}

Interesting tactic. I have seen that charge before.

{Culdee:
Writing a comment to yourself? You've been exposed, and the list is growing of sock puppets.....Soon }

Interesting. One Lefty says "liar" on a consistent basis, the other is now saying "sockpuppet."

We ALL know who you are! LOL stay on the site for a while tonight we have some unfinished business with you! LOL

Stay on the site tonight we have some unfinished business for you! LOL

"Writing a comment to yourself? You've been exposed, and the list is growing of sock puppets.....Soon you'll really see what F-ing yourself is like! LOL"

Wrong as usual, Kenny. The Mods have already established that I am *not* a sock. I am here to stay and continue promoting the truth of conservative principles and exposing radical proGROSSive liberal delusional fanaticism. =D

https://getsatisfaction.com/currentcom/topics/community_account_disabled_without...

Damned Straight!

We need to get her a pie chart GS.

Funny stuff indeed! But truth....LOL

Well, I have not looked all these up, but I'm pretty sure you will them all very close to the same right-wingers. For example, though it's hard to read, the source for your graph is The Tea Party, and a list of others equally dangerous minds, and the Forbes article, that's a report written by John Stossel, a contributor to FoxNews. The rest are undoubtedly from Citizens United or that famous right-winged lobby group: The Herritage Foundation or something equally biased against any efforts to have the banks curb their misdeeds. American Thinker? HA! And of course when some writes a blog on youtube, that for sure must be true. Have you every visited the Onion yet? Some of your heros actually quote from it.

{Would you like hundreds more articles that say I'm right? That we have a *spending* problem, not a revenue problem.}

Excellent.

All the research studies, facts and data you can muster will be rejected by Left-wingers, and we both know it. But we are COMPELLED to tell the truth!

Nice one!

Culdee wrote, "Would you like hundreds more articles that say I'm right? That we have a *spending* problem, not a revenue problem."

You responded:

{ I'm pretty sure you will them all very close to the same right-wingers.}

Just as Culdee wrote: He could produce HUNDREDS more. But as I told him, it will not change a thing with LEFT-WINGERS. They will deny the data, no matter how many facts are provided. Heck, I provided EUROPEAN (OECD) data to one Liberal just today, and he then started the "liar" crap.

I remember one Left-winger a couple of years ago. It was the straw that broke this dumb (MY) camel's back, and I realized there is no point in providing sources. The LEFT-WINGER said I was "lying," "making stuff up," etc.

I provided the data and even went to the trouble to find a direct link to the source.

The LIBERAL said it was "biased."

It was THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT CENSUS DATA!!!!

{nteresting tactic. I have seen that charge before.}

What tactic? The one where some village idiot of the right screams, "You can't fix this with taxes! There is just not enough money there. Blah, blah, blah ..."

Well there damn well is enough money to fix most of it with taxes. There's $32 trillion of untaxed wealth hidden by the Banksters and Corporations in tax havens. Ending tax avoidance, "legal" and illegal would go a long way to fixing the budget.

But I am not naive. It will take a balanced approach. The War Department will need to have it's budget reduced by half. And the corporate welfare to Big Phama, Agri-Business, and of course Wall Street will need to end.

Balance, that's all I'm asking for ...

I see. Your message is clear, pure Marxism: Confiscate (steal is a better word) the wealth of the productive classes. Just freakin' TAKE it.

Welcome to LIBERAL-LAND.

"Your message is clear, pure Marxism:"

Nope. Not Marxism, sorry. Nice, democratic, Scandinavian model socialism. Big difference. But you will go on trying to conflate the two.

they always make it up, or Faux Noise makes it up for them.

I corrected, John Stossel made it up, and you are repeating him.

There are many self-serving assumptions built into all the so-called calculations that taxing the rich won't produce significant revenue. Just start with the $32 trillion in hidden wealth, which is never considered.

balance, going from an extreme to another will never be good.

tax the bank transaction, spend on project with high ratio job and be careful and sensible on your spending but don't cut all at once

Cameron a Karl MAx, your ignorance has no limits

Didn't really check the political affiliation. The point was that the literature is overwhelming that we have a *spending* problem. Anything to the contrary is simply sticking one's head in the sand and denying reality.

In fact, you don't even need *any* literature. Just crunch the numbers yourself on the back of an envelope and you'll see for yourself. We have a *spending* problem.

"There are many self-serving assumptions built into all the so-called calculations that taxing the rich won't produce significant revenue."

Like what?!? Name them. You're speaking in generalizations without factual merit. It doesn't take a bunch of high-end studies to figure this out. Just crunch the numbers on scratch paper. Bill Gates is amongst the super rich living in the US. It's taken him a lifetime just to accumulate $50 billion. That's only a tiny fraction of our federal budget.

So now that you've confiscated his entire fortune, what'll you loot now? I'm not buying your reasoning or the delusional progressive sources such as Huffington or Reuters.

"Just start with the $32 trillion in hidden wealth, which is never considered."

These numbers were manufactured by delusional progressives from a "study" conducted by Reuters. It's nothing more than speculation---they even admit to this. This is what radical progressive hate-mongering liberals do to justify their looting and spending.

It's lies standing in the way of cutting our budget. Lies that there is money to be looted from the rich. Not only is that immoral, but but factually incorrect.

I can only hope the Repubs hold out and let the sequestration take place. And then it's time to cut even more. We need to preserve our future.

Well see, I could produce many, many numbers and studies; but your answer would always be the same. Some form of what you put here:

"These numbers were manufactured by delusional progressives from a "study" conducted by Reuters."

Well, Reuters is not a "Progressive"; but I will concede the well known Liberal Bias of numbers.

Don't tell us that the money is not there, we know better now. We will not be fooled.

TAX THE RICH !!!

HOUSTON - we have a REVENUE problem !!!

Ah, another gem of false accusations and lies from one of our RWNJs. I'd say that we could add such posts to the "death and taxes are unavoidable" axiom, but we all know that taxes aren't inevitable for the rich.

"Capitalists like Henry Ford pay workers so they can buy goods and invest in their companies so they can make better products. They don't take all the profits out and hide their money in foreign accounts."

Good example. I think Heinz also worked hard to make his employees happy.

"Clearly you do not understand how macro economics work."

I clearly don't understand how *progressive* macroeconomics work. I just don't understand why it's so difficult to understand that we have a SPENDING problem and that taxing the rich WON'T SOLVE THE DEFICIT PROBLEM.

"Well see, I could produce many, many numbers and studies; but your answer would always be the same."

Then you should produce them. Otherwise I can only assume the Reuters study was your only source. But I'll humor you. Let's say they are indeed hiding $32 trillion in *assets*. Note that the $32 trillion is NOT THEIR ANNUAL INCOME. That $32 trillion is what they spent a lifetime "hoarding". Also note this is an *international* figure: it's the *world's* super wealthy, *not* America's super wealthy. But I'll humor you *again* and pretend that that $32 trillion does indeed belong to America's wealthy and is ours for the looting. =D

Last year (2012), our federal govenment spent $3.8 trillion. So $32 trillion / $3.8 trillion = 8.4 years. Thus, looting 100% of all the wealth of the super-rich will fund your government for a mere 8.4 years. That is a CONSERVATIVE estimate because we both know you'll never be able to garnish 100% of a the super-rich's wealth. So now that your oil well has gone try, what'll you loot now?

Oh but Culdee you fudged your calculations when you divided by federal dollars spent---you should have divided by the deficit, not total dollars spent!

WRONG. According to the CBO, the super wealthy already pay 70% of the income tax revenue. So whether it's through their massive corporations or selling their yachts, the super rich already pay the vast majority of the taxes, so dividing by total dollars spent is accurate. ;)

Obvious bottom line: WE HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM. LOL

"Don't tell us that the money is not there, we know better now. We will not be fooled."

You're just being spoon-fed propaganda by the same delusional media sources that are pushing for mythical utopian societies.

"You're just being spoon-fed propaganda ..."

Actually not. I am a dedicated researcher on tax and economic policy. It is YOU who are spitting back undigested bits of Right Wing economic dogma produced by their massive disinformation machine.

"Ah, another gem of false accusations and lies from one of our RWNJs. I'd say that we could add such posts to the "death and taxes are unavoidable" axiom, but we all know that taxes aren't inevitable for the rich."

So you just resort to personal attacks when you can't offer up a good counterpoint? I can only assume you don't have any because none exist. =D

"Actually not. I am a dedicated researcher on tax and economic policy. It is YOU who are spitting back undigested bits of Right Wing economic dogma produced by their massive disinformation machine."

Not so. I hate propaganda---right or left. I do my OWN analysis. I don't parrot all the right-wing talking heads because I don't even know what they say. My assessments are my own independent analyses based on raw data.

"Rawr - I'm a Dinosaur"

Ok, you can have my beer.

lolololol!

{What makes us think these conservatives want their economies improved? High unemployment is good for keeping wages down, so high unemployment the conservatives will deliver to their corporate masters.}

Not only absurd, but unreasonable and illogical.

If you did your homework, you would see that in the ups and downs of economic cycles, all classes go up and down. In addition, if the overall society is better off, so are the wealthy.

No, it is illogical. First of all, the "evil rich" go up and down in income with the rest of us. It is in their best interest to have a good economy.

Next, people buy the products of the companies of these "evil ones."

Finally, "the people," the MYTHICAL 99% are the ones who are making the "evil rich" rich! Ain't that a kick in the head?

Your logic is totally twisted! What a DA>>>> LOL

I'm just waiting to see what the rich are going to do when they have to clean their own toilets and cut their own lawns. Geez, that might cut into their daily golf games.

Wrong again. Check back the differences in wages between the middle class and the business community and you'll find it rode a pretty straight line from at least the late 1970's until about 2003 which Bush's tax cuts started showing their deviating power. Middle class dropped and the banksters on Wall Street skyrocketed.

There are 2 very reliable graphs here from the Congressional Budget Office so you can see for yourself how you've either been led down the primrose lane but those crooks you chose to align yourself with, or perhaps you're one of them. Anyway facts are facts. And these graphs only show up to 2007. It's far worse than that now.

http://www.cbo.gov/publication/42537

I triple that remark.

{I'm just waiting to see what the rich are going to do when they have to clean their own toilets and cut their own lawns.}

Why do you wish that?

{Geez, that might cut into their daily golf games.}

Almost all "evil rich" people work, or have worked, extremely hard. Why do you begrudge them some leisure?

"In layman's terms,..."

Or being totally fucked, take your pick. +^

"Your Austerity = His Prosperity!"

It's so very Downton Abbey!

Bravo G.S. + ];-)

No, Socialism always comes to this: It destroys incentives and encourages people to demand more from the GOVERNMENT. So the government taxes and regulates more, and borrows and borrows.

Then the tipping point comes. Any reasonable and responsible person could see it coming. The Piper has to be paid.

LEFT-WINGERS, however, think that the government can keep "providing," and/or that the EVIL RICH are hoarding enough wealth to pay for everything.

Mindlessness.

Again, the Scandinavians are MORE Socialist than us and LESS Laissez Faire Capitalist.

Guess what, they have a higher standard of living!

MORE SOCIALISM - less right-wingerism - MORE JOBS - less austerity

Get with the program Mishima, before it's too late!

I have international data for the following:

American workers are paid higher, as a % of GDP, than all European countries except Switzerland.

In terms of purchasing power, American employees do better than all those in heavenly Europe except for Luxembourg.

America has one of the lowest # of workers getting minimum wage.

Europeans work a bit less, but they do more household work. Females in Europe do 10 hours MORE household work than their American counterparts, and the "sexist" American men do MORE household work (2 hours more) than the "liberated" men in that Arcadia across the Atlantic!

The American "pace of life" is SLOWER than all European countries measured except for Greece.

But start the excuses, denials, word games, personal insults, deflections. Go ahead.

Sweden, the American LEFT-WINGERS' paradise. Don't have to work so hard!

Well, let's have a look.

Facts, from international sources, not "right-winger" ones.

Swedes are the most "disabled" people in THE ENTIRE INDUSTRALIZED WORLD.

In the greatest country in the world, 10.7% of the people are disabled. In the Shangri-La of Sweden, it is TWICE that - 20.6%!

It is easy to get thus classified in Sweden. If we assumed that the Swedes are as healthy as Americans - and shouldn't they be with universal health care in a perfect society of bliss and harmony? - their unemployment rate would be over 17%.

In Sweden, people love to call in sick. Swedish women take an AVERAGE of nine weeks off from "sickness."

SOCIALISM AT ITS FINEST!

You are making this up!
Who are you calling an "American Worker"?

Truth!

No, I have data. International data. I never lie. I have the data.

Oh Yes you do!

This man is just as dangerous as the tea party is to us.

Oh here we go again, another hour of denials.

LOL, I know, really a perfect example of a very angry personalty!

{This man is just as dangerous as the tea party is to us.}

Neither the Tea Party - of which I am a member - is dangerous, nor is "this man."

Only the 47% "takers" so they consider it a win. Although yes in reality (another thing the right-wingers have no use for) the REAL people, the 99%!

Why is it that LEFT-WINGERS can keep referring to government spending and NEVER have the slightest concern about where the money comes from? One cannot even bring it up or the liberal will start ranting childishly about having "compassion," and never refer to "responsibility." I guess Left-wingers simply think that the government can create all of the wealth, so there is no problem. Just "free stuff" that nobody has to pay for.

And yes, your "tactic" is noted. It is typical of the Left: Make it appear that if one does not agree with YOUR agenda, they are similar to those who took part in the Holocaust. Those who had relatives die in those camps, and the few survivors today would find such a comparison grotesque and repulsive.

Fact:

50% of the people only pay 2.7% of the total revenue.

Fact:

10% of the people pay 70% of the total revenue, monies used for things that 50% use every day.

"Only the 47% "takers" so they consider it a win. Although yes in reality..."

Bravo, listen MS, hear that? It's the sound of 10000 hands clapping! Thank you };-) Please have a look at my latest post -Taliban vs. repubs.

The problem is the Repug. never see it. They don't invite these guys to their $3,000 a plate fund raisers - hell no. They only meet with the folks who stuff their pockets. I wonder if the Walmart kids ever even shop at their own stores.

right-wing sequester is coming!