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"When Socialism comes to America, It will be wrapped in the flag and carrying........Hey Wait A Minute, That's When Fascism Comes To America!

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“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.”

- Sinclair Lewis, It Can’t Happen Here.

Just about anything good left in America (what little IS LEFT) is Socialist in nature, and now, the corporate capitalist mob that control's our government is destroying our postal service, on August 31st of this year, mail (but still packages) will no longer be delivered on Saturday, the bastard's will financially strangle the post office to death, just like they do everything else.
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72 comments // "When Socialism comes to America, It will be wrapped in the flag and carrying........Hey Wait A Minute, That's When Fascism Comes To America!

  • gatormouth
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      gatormouth  

    • Just because it seems appropriate, here is a Henry A. Wallace quote (FDR's VP for most of WW II:). And yes, he was a socialist, and proud of it.

      “The really dangerous American fascist... is the man who wants to do in the United States in an American way what Hitler did in Germany in a Prussian way. The American fascist would prefer not to use violence. His method is to poison the channels of public information. With a fascist the problem is never how best to present the truth to the public but how best to use the news to deceive the public into giving the fascist and his group more money or more power... They claim to be super-patriots, but they would destroy every liberty guaranteed by the Constitution. They demand free enterprise, but are the spokesmen for monopoly and vested interest. Their final objective, toward which all their deceit is directed, is to capture political power so that, using the power of the state and the power of the market simultaneously, they may keep the common man in eternal subjection".

      ~quoted in the New York Times, April 9, 1944”

    • 3 months ago
  • wolfess
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      wolfess  
    • gatormouth:

      Yeppers, that sounds pretty damn close to what we have right now :-(! But, hey, b4 I decide for sure I need to send this to all my fb peeps and tweet it ... THAT'S how we are being taken over.

      Pwr 2 the UNSOCIAL SOCIALIST peons!
      GUILLOTINE HYPOCRISY! GUILLOTINE COMPLACENCY!

    • 3 months ago
  • VFORVENDETTA
    • -1
      VFORVENDETTA  
    • gatormouth:

      "Just because it seems appropriate, here is a Henry A. Wallace quote (FDR's VP for most of WW II:). And yes, he was a socialist, and proud of it. ....."

      Yes, I remember this quote, it is a very good one and 100% true! Thank you G.M.!

    • 3 months ago
  • kennymotown
  • mitekillem
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      mitekillem  

    • Don't forget the biggest socialist program of all...The US Military.
      Soldiers get: Free clothes, free housing, free travel, free education, money for college, Free gym instructors (boot camp), an income that comes from tax dollars, free weapons, etc, etc, etc.
      See...The GOP loves socialism. Why else would they support the country's largest, and most successfully run socialist program.

    • 3 months ago
  • SFirman
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      SFirman  

    • "The social welfare programs of government have been for the most part positive, if partial, responses to the genuine social needs of the great majority of Americans. The dismantling of such programs by conservative and corporate elites in the absence of any alternatives will be disastrous. Abandoning schools, health care, and housing, for example, to the control of an unregulated free market magnifies the existing harsh realities of inequality and injustice."

    • 3 months ago
  • Tayllerand
  • sedwin
  • Tayllerand
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      Tayllerand  
    • sedwin:

      I'm not a republican or democrat , I just want the best for the country. The story behind the duck tape is that when GW was president, the department of DHS recommended to people that if we had an emergency aka BIO or Nucular in the country. We should cover the house with duck tape and plastic tarp. The only question that I had about this recommendation was, how are we going to breath ? No air getting into the house ? Great idea don't you think ?
      Right now we have our Vice-President with good intentions recommending people to get a shot gun, I don't think is the best advice.

      The End.
      P.S.(MMMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW)

    • 3 months ago
  • WagonMaster
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      WagonMaster  

    • . The NSDAP took control Of Germany during the midst of the worst post war depression a losing country could ever suffer through and still remain a cohesive race. Things were so bad that the people were ripe for an orchestrated take over and actually welcomed it with open arms.
      The Party brought bread lines, soup kitchens and, yes, jobs plus a modicum of stability and a revitalized national pride. They also had one hellova propaganda machine lying about everything under the sun. Tell a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. Due to the lies, the German people were actually not as well off as they were led to believe. More and more repressions went into place and pretty soon everyone was in uniform fighting for the Reich. in senseless wars. The people were actually duped into thinking the Party was out for them when all along the Party was giving all the gravy to the upper crust and throwing the people under the bus. The rich were actually in charge, not the Volks I see the same parallel but uncoordinated , fumbling and leaderless attempt by the GOP to mimic the NSDAP to a certain extent. Every other country that has a Socialistic form of government to one extent or another. has remarkably happy , productive people who have embraced their form of government and love it. They do pay high taxes but enjoy good perks...ask a Swede . The vilification of Socialism or Socialistic sounding programs instituted by a government that cares more for enhancing the well being of the of the people and ascribing a Fascist or Communist label to it is an ignorant form of right wing, Neocon propaganda formulated by those whose interests lie in destroying their own country ...to what purpose ? A slave labor front like Nazi Germany ? Gulags like the USSR ? Or entire cities working for the ruling class like China ?Just because a African-American is elected President twice ? And wants to actually help the people instead of screwing over them ? I believe the government should Nationalize The HealthCare industry, the Oil Companies and the largest of all industries, the Arms Industry plus the Banks and anyone else who has helped us down this GOP sponsored road to economic and societal disaster. You can call me a SocioFascioCommie RatBasterd. Who cares as long as the Republicans fail and become at one with the earth.

    • 3 months ago
  • artemis6
  • wolfess
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      wolfess  
    • WagonMaster:

      The koch[roaches] are part of this current push here in the US, and they had their beginnings in Russia and Nazi Germany -- I'm sure they would love to turn this country into what Germany was in the 30s and 40s ...

    • 3 months ago
  • Vortices
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      Vortices [removed]  

    • Um.... Often one in the same, the last widespread, accepted, fascist threat was the National Socialist Party, or NAZI Party for short....

      Let's see notable socialist entities; facebook, GE, many corporations, most of the bailed out banks, hmmm the hedge fund managers & private equity too with their myriad loopholes and tax breaks.

      Yeah yeah yeah, socialism is good, extremely good for the rich, but it's socialism for the rich, servitude, or essentially restructured slavery for the poor, and there is no want from the oligarchy to even pass socialism down and let it apply to all.

      Honestly, one of the biggest "socialistic" things passed lately, "Obamacare" (that yeah he did kinda borrow from Romney's time as governor.), is a TAX on everyone who isn't the poorest of the poor... A $20,000 a year tax on a family of 4, that will be come after by the IRS, should you either fail to sign up, or didn't have a private insurance covering you. Worse, big corporations, specifically UPS right now is using Obamacare as a "reason" to drop the insurance that they carried and offered to their employees.

      So even "Obamacare" is going to amount to a transfer of wealth from the poor, to corporations, but that's okay I'm sure they got plenty of chill pills for all....

      "Fascism;

      noun
      1.
      ( sometimes initial capital letter ) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism."

      Let's see, haven't we had one of our best outspoken true progressive journalists suing the POTUS over the NDAA?

      Haven't we just had a young activist commit suicide because he was being persecuted for taking issue with tax-payer money funding studies that were basically considered private property of private universities (more "socialism" in action btw.)....?

      Don't we have a president who has executive ordered himself, and subsequent presidents into a position of "legalized" assassinations of whomever they sit fit?

      Haven't we unilaterally went to war, with a so called "dictator" that less than 2 years before was so cool there are photos of the War-Monger & Chief shaking hands with the "dictator" (Qaddafi)....?

      We're already living under FASCISM.

      He claims he leans more to the "socialistic" side of things.... And paint to whichever corner you choose, but everyone from Chris Hedges to Cornell West, TRUE PROGRESSIVES, have called him out on his war-crimes and FASCISM, even if they haven't used the words......

      So yeah wtfe with suggesting that fascism is more of a "right-wing" thing, historically speaking, it's NOT, but granted both ends of the spectrum, or false dichotomy, tend to have inklings towards fascism...

    • 3 months ago
  • buddhawoman
    • +2
      buddhawoman  

    • We have GOP, RNC, tea party to thank for facism in USA...We will pay for this too.....Keep listen to big corportions and what and needs of them and not the poor, hungry, headcaps and etc...When we are all on the streets and no, one cares how far these people will go....Blaming everyone else but where it has to go...

    • 3 months ago
  • Culdee
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      Culdee  

    • Uh-oh! Someone's having issues with their definitions! Looks like they need to go back to school and relearn the definition of 'socialism'. Let me help you:

      From Dictionary .com...

      "a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole. "

      Ah-ha! The means of "production and distribution". Let's look at that list again shall we?

      • Schools
      • Libraries
      • Highways
      • Fire departments
      • Police departments
      • Postal service

      Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... Not a SINGLE ONE of those fits the definition of 'socialism'. These are all programs paid for by TAX DOLLARS. In not a single instance are resources be taken from the *productionists* and redistributed to the *consumptionists*. Those programs all benefit the productionists and consumptionists ALIKE!!

      So no, none of those programs are socialist in nature. They are funded through tax dollars (no, that does not inherently mean it's socialist) for everybody's benefit.

      Bottom line: Just another attack by the consumptionists on the productionsts.
      #smearingliesfalsehoodjealousydelusional

      =D

    • 3 months ago
  • VFORVENDETTA
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      VFORVENDETTA  
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    • Culdee:

      "Uh-oh! Someone's having issues with their definitions!..."

      Speaking of people with issues-

      For your enlightened input on so many of my threads, I would like to present you with-

      The Alfred E. Newman award.

      Few truly deserve it as much as you.

    • 3 months ago
  • corderodedios
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      corderodedios  
    • Culdee:

      For starters, you left the investor class out of your list of classes - assuming you mean "consumer" when you say "consumptionist." The investor class does not see itself benefitting from any of the things on the list. That's why both producers and consumer are being shot down the tube by the investor class - the investor class, along with producers and consumers who are suckups to the investor class due to fear or stupidity, or both.

      In an awkward way, you've hit the nail on the head regarding "tax." This whole problem is traceable to the Reagan/Bush tax cuts. Without them, the deficit would not exist. We might even still have two major parties, not that that's a good idea.

    • 3 months ago
  • sedwin
  • Gordon_Shumway
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      Gordon_Shumway  
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    • Culdee:

      http://Dictionary.com

      { From Dictionary .com ... "a theory or system of social organization ..." }

      Bravo Culdee! Dictionary.com is my GO TO source for the understanding of economic theories as well !!! [Laughing heartily at this point!]

      Now that we've settled on our economic Bible, let's see what they have to say about Reaganomics? Just for fun, from the unabridged entry:

      "any economic plan that promotes low taxes, low social-services spending, and high military spending -- which then contributes to low interest rates, low inflation, and large budget deficits "

      Wow! Did they just say there that Reaganomics promotes "large budget deficits". They did!

      So that is where "large budget deficits" come from! I knew it. Now it's confirmed by no less a beacon of economic truth than Dictionary.com !!!

      As the Bible says: "Those who live by the Dictionary (dot com), will perish by the Dictionary (dot com)." or words to that effect. [Matthew 26:52]

      http://rlv.zcache.com/reaganomics_poster-r2c812adf34154fa68803e4d7f9f7ccae_wg4_4...

    • 3 months ago
  • sedwin
  • Culdee
  • Culdee
    • -1
      Culdee  
    • corderodedios:

      "Without them, the deficit would not exist."

      Any economic policy that "boosts" the economy at the expense of the deficit is not truely boosting the economy. The boost is being purchased with debt. Eventually that debt will need to be repaid, which will come at the expense of the economy. Thus, I don't support tax cuts that increase the deficit.

      Folks here try to label me as pro-Reaganomics. This is falsehood. I wasn't even alive when Reagan was president. Though I admire him in many ways, I never supported his tax cuts that increased our deficit.

    • 2 months ago
  • Culdee
  • Culdee
    • -1
      Culdee  
    • Gordon_Shumway:

      "Now that we've settled on our economic Bible, let's see what they have to say about Reaganomics?"

      Good bye. I'm not going to chase you down a rabbit hole. I mentioned nothing (supporting or against) about "Reaganomics" in my comment. Another failed diversion attempt. lol

    • 2 months ago
  • Gordon_Shumway
  • Culdee
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      Culdee  
    • sedwin:

      "How many trillions in taxpayer dollars did we give to the banks in bailout money?"

      Perhaps those corrupt organizations should have been allowed to fail. I demand they pay back their bailout funds with interest.

    • 2 months ago
  • jackhole
  • buddhawoman
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      buddhawoman  
    • jackhole:

      WE need our post office they have been around sense country has started and they hire lots of vets and lots of people whom do this job because they love it...They didn't waste money look at there mangement and see the truelth

    • 3 months ago
  • corderodedios
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      corderodedios  
    • buddhawoman:

      They won't let the Post Office go completely. Corporations need the bulk mail rates for their propaganda. That four pounds of junk mail you got today probably cost less than one first-class letter. The Post Office is one of the propaganda arms of Corporate America, subsidized by the taxpayer.

    • 3 months ago
  • corderodedios
    • +1
      corderodedios  
    • buddhawoman:

      NB: I do not mean the Post Office is bad - it's critical and must not die. On the other hand, I was serious about its perversion by Corporate control of our government. If junk mail paid its way, the Post Office would be doing fine - either not having to deliver all that crap, or making money on it.

    • 3 months ago
  • artemis6
  • Leen61
  • buddhawoman
  • Leen61
  • letsliveinpeace
  • Wyley_Wombat
  • Vierotchka
  • VFORVENDETTA
  • VFORVENDETTA
  • buddhawoman
  • MolliBlum
    • +1
      MolliBlum  
    • VFORVENDETTA:

      Maybe that was just a typo?
      But the quote is actually Ludendorff -- his words TO Hindenburg when Hindenburg (reluctantly) appointed Hitler chancellor.

      Thought I should point it out. Not to be pedantic, but because it's an important distinction that reflects the political situation of the time. Especially as Ludendorff had previously been a supporter of Hitler.
      Granted, mind you, that Hindenburg couldn’t stand Hitler either.

    • 3 months ago
  • artemis6
  • WagonMaster
  • VFORVENDETTA
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      VFORVENDETTA  
    • MolliBlum:

      "Maybe that was just a typo?
      But the quote is actually Ludendorff -- his words TO..."

      I will double check my statement, but thank you M.B. for at least paying attention, which is more then can be said for many here.

    • 3 months ago
  • MolliBlum
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      MolliBlum  
    • VFORVENDETTA:

      In fairness to you, it doesn't really matter. It may not even be a quote from either of them. This oft-cited letter (telegram?) from Ludendorff to Hindenburg doesn't seem to have actually turned up in any archives.

      It is first mentioned in the memoirs of the former governor-general of Nazi-occupied Poland, Hans Frank, written on death row following his conviction at the Nuremberg trials. Frank's memoirs weren't published until the 1950s, so it's interesting that Ludendorff's widow did not mention any such letter or telegram or warning in her (potential) defence during her own denazification hearing in 1949.

      Both Ludendorff and Frank were pretty fanatical Nazis themselves (even though Ludendorff had fallen out with Hitler), so it's possible that this alleged letter, if fictitious, had more to do with Frank's bitterness about his own downfall than any genuine "warning" Ludendorff or any other Nazi (Hindenburg was not a Nazi) might actually have given against Hitler.

    • 3 months ago
  • lamudbug
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      lamudbug  

    • Socialism defined as:
      "Those who own &control the means of production also run the government." USA's socialists have an (R) by their' names.

    • 3 months ago
  • Vierotchka
  • VFORVENDETTA
  • Culdee
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      Culdee  
    • Vierotchka:

      Why bash on corporations?

      Did you know your toothbrush, cellphone, computer your writing this comment on, car, TV, gasoline in your car, lamp, doorknob, kitchen sink, doormat, monitor, and thousands of other products you use on a daily basis are manufactured by corporations? (Though I think you live in Switzerland so you might not have all these things...but I do know you have a computer and monitor!)

      If you hate corporations so much, why do you support them so avidly?

    • 3 months ago
  • buddhawoman
  • buddhawoman
  • Joeydee44
  • corderodedios
  • cw9000
  • Vierotchka
  • hombre76
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      hombre76  
    • Culdee:

      "Did you know your toothbrush, cellphone, computer your writing this comment on, car, TV, gasoline in your car, lamp, doorknob, kitchen sink, doormat, monitor, and thousands of other products you use on a daily basis are manufactured by corporations? "

      Wrong those things are made by people. The corporation is just the name at the top of the workers checks. On top of that there are individuals who in general work less and much less laborusly than those who get monthly checks at a mesily rate for the actual manufacture of said product usualy because they where born in to said money and corporate management life, not unlike midevil times and the passing of aristocratic title. In Fact all they gave up in the enlightenment was their tirles and they "joined" (see dominated) the merchant class. So PBTTTT to your "woe poor rich folk" crap.

    • 3 months ago
  • sedwin
  • Culdee
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      Culdee  
    • hombre76:

      "Wrong those things are made by people. The corporation is just the name at the top of the workers checks."

      Okay, then let's do a thought experiment. Let's imagine what happens if we abolish all those corporations. Will the cellphones, computers, cars, etc.. still get manufactured? I could say with certainy, NO.

      A lot of products require *huge* initial capital investment to buy the manufacting equipment and raw materials, even if the resulting product is very simple and cheap. Only corporations have the purchasing power to make the initial investment and mass purchase of raw materials---something a traditional old "mom & pap" could never do.

    • 2 months ago
  • Culdee
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      Culdee  
    • sedwin:

      "Corporate crime. Corporate Welfare. Too Big To Fail. Corporate Personhood. Citizens United. Lopsided government influence. Just for starters."

      Then stop supporting them. Don't buy their stuff. ;)

    • 2 months ago
  • Gordon_Shumway
  • Catmommy
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      Catmommy  

    • I have always loved this profound quote from Sinclair Lewis, so much so that I have it on a bumper sticker. Amazing that Lewis predicted the rise of the Fascist Teabaggers all those years ago, isn't it?

    • 3 months ago
  • VFORVENDETTA
  • Culdee
  • hombre76
  • Gordon_Shumway
    • +4
      Gordon_Shumway  
    • Culdee:

      Ayn Rand "predicted" the rise of "the looters"? Baloney, She DESCRIBED the Russian Revolution and projected it forward onto her fictional society which never existed and never will; giving pejorative names to the working class and other groups she despised.

      "PREDICTION" my A$$ ...

    • 3 months ago
  • MSII
  • sedwin
  • cw9000
  • wolfess
  • cw9000
  • wolfess
  • Culdee
    • -1
      Culdee  
    • hombre76:

      "Those are not looters they are robbery victims coming for their retrobution on those who stole from them.."

      Stole? You cannot steal somebody else's idea. It's *their* idea. Looters think they have a right to steal others' creative and innovative ideas. This is, in fact, theft, which is immoral.

    • 2 months ago
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