GOP antics will not damage Obama one bit
source: http://www.salon.com/2013/03/02/gop_antics_will_not_damage_obama_one_bit/
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Partisan shots and mini-controversies rarely make a dent. To hurt Obama, the GOP will need a lot more than thatRemember the Chuck Hagel fight?
If you’re reading about politics, of course you remember the fight that took up a fair amount of space in the political press over the last month.
Most Americans, however, ignored the whole thing; even among those dimly aware of it, the memory will fade rapidly. And that suggests an important lesson for Barack Obama in this flap: Don’t worry about losing a few news cycles. If it’s just about media flaps, the president has much more room for risk-taking than he may realize.
First, the evidence. There’s very limited polling, but what there is suggests no one was paying any attention. A Quinnipiac poll taken at the beginning of February found a net-unfavorable rating … but with only 14 percent liking the former Nebraska senator, 18 percent not liking him, and an overwhelming 67 percent saying that they didn’t have an opinion. That’s before either of the filibuster votes on the Senate floor, but after his well-publicized Senate hearing.
That’s not unusual. There’s plenty of things that capture the attention of people who are intensely interested in politics, which everyone else ignores unless they have a particular interest in it. Personnel flaps similar to the Hagel nomination are likely suspects. Think, if you remember them, of similar controversies around Van Jones, Shirley Sherrod or Peter Diamond. Each of these was all the talk of Washington for a while, and then it wasn’t. Most people, however, hardly noticed any of them.
Moreover, we know that the more people pay attention to politics, the more partisan they are likely to be. That’s important, because it means that those people who did pay attention to the Chuck Hagel nomination fight are the most likely to interpret it through their strongly held partisan biases: Democrats will support the president, Republicans will oppose him.
What all that means is that these kinds of controversies, even fairly large ones, are very unlikely to matter at all. Most people ignore them; everyone else merely sticks to their previous opinions.
And that suggests that presidents are a lot more free to take risks than they realize. Presidents tend to be very careful to avoid negative publicity, and that’s understandable. But as much as it’s surely no fun to have the national press all bashing you for something, it’s just not clear that it’s really all that bad.
Now, that obviously doesn’t mean that presidents are invulnerable. Sustained or important national failures – recessions, unsuccessful wars or having a major city drown – will all take a serious toll on a president’s approval ratings. Scandal can if it’s large enough, and close enough to the president: Ronald Reagan, for example, lost about 15 points of approval from Iran/Contra in 1986 and didn’t recover it for a long time.
Presidents also have to be careful about alienating organized groups, especially those who are either their allies or neutral. For example, the Hagel flap certainly could have hurt Obama if Jewish leaders or LGBT leaders had strongly opposed the nomination, especially if they believed it was part of a pattern of disregarding their interests. Once those groups announced they were fine with it, however, the danger to Obama was basically over.
Barack Obama should realize, then, that he has quite a bit of latitude to make “mistakes” that cause media flaps as long as they don’t produce serious policy disasters. Suppose something embarrassing comes up about an executive branch or judicial nominee, or about someone on the White House staff. Twitter will explode, but Obama will probably escape without a scratch. Suppose he pardons someone – and Obama has continued the presidential trend of using the pardon less and less – who turns out to be unworthy, or at least is made to seem so in the press. Once again, no damage to the president. It’s true as well about any of the symbolic actions a president can take, anything from whom he invites to the White House to where (and how often) he vacations to whether or not he eats broccoli. It just doesn’t matter.
This is actually a happy fact. The American people are a lot more difficult to manipulate than one might suspect, mainly because of partisanship on the one hand and basic lack of interest on the other. What really does matter is getting the policy right; do that, and the politics will usually follow.
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/02/gop_antics_will_not_damage_obama_one_bit/
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Argon18
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It doesn't mean that the GOP will let up on their antics one little bit though, since there is a more "dire crisis" brewing to replace the one about the "Benghazi coverup"
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/02/1191020/-Latest-Obama-scandal-explodes
"Republicans are now calling for a full investigation into Jedi-gate. John McCain appeared at a conference with Lindsey Graham. Said McCain: There is no such thing as a Jedi mind-meld, I know it. You know it. Yoda knows it.
Said Graham: We are planning to block all Obama nominees to the Galactic Federation until we find out why Obama said this in his press conference. Who advised him? What was the role of the CIA? We are also planning to block all nominees to the ATF, until we get to the bottom of this.
Right-wingers across the blogosphere were incensed. And Fox news was on the story. CNN cancelled their normal news segment to focus on Jedi gate, and they had a five hour panel discussion with Wolf Blitzer devoted to the story.
In breaking news, a man who claimed to have been a Jedi warrior was set to testify before a committee called by Congressional Republicans. No news yet on what he will say."
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/03/01/1190948/-George-Takei-POTUS-Got-It-Righ...
"George Takei, who played Sulu on Star Trek, appeared on The Ed Show today to come to President Obama's defense, who supposedly gaffed by saying 'Jedi mind meld' to describe Republicans' intransigence on the sequester and his inability to force them to do his bidding. In reality he coined a new phrase, and Takei goes to great pains to explain how a Jedi mind meld is actually possible.
But actor, director and activist George Takei, who played Lt. Hikaru Sulu on Star Trek: The Original Series, insists the president actually got it exactly right.
“Jedis are the guardians of peace and justice. And mind meld is the Vulcan way of having the force of pure, clean communication between one mind and the another,” Takei said on “The Ed Show” on Friday. “Well, that’s what the president is trying to do–bring those two forces together.”Bonus feature: Michele Bachman and Eric Cantor are Klingons. That actually explains a lot."
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Obama is likely to damage himself more than anyone else could. His subjecting Americans and the American economy to the continued forces and manipulations of Corporate Right players in his administration and the Federal Reserve is far greater damage than the GOP can do from without.
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COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM:
You're probably half right. The first cliff disaster we faced was the time Obama should have let us go over, and it would have been up to the GOP to clean up the mess. Instead, he froze like a deer in the headlights, unable to comprehend what more he could cut to show that he was willing to compromise (I hate that word). And that's when the sequester deal was struck. Boehner is still bragging that he got 98% of what he wanted. Tell me the sequester wasn't his idea, b.s. Obama was thinking he could undo the damage by Mar. 1st, except he had the same assholes to bargain with and it bit him in the butt.
Now the GOP is still singing that same old song about how taxes on the rich were raised (not as much as Obama hoped for), now we need spending cuts as if there weren't already huge spending cuts. And they're still waisting valuable time on the attack on Bengahzi (we're paying through the nose for that b.s.). At least 4 other embassy's were bombed or attacked while Bush was in office and none of those were "fully investigated" to find out why or how.
Where Obama is really hurting himself the most is his punishment of whistle blowers; his allowing all those drone strikes on civilian targets, and his gathering of internet intel through very dubious means without a warrant.
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MarshainFlorida:
My only question on this is whether Obama ever intended to undo any damage he caused or inflicted. In my opinion, he consciously inflicted a lot of damage merely by putting our economy in the hands of those who perfected the craft of destroying it. This will always remain unforgivable for me.
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COMMONSENSEFORCOMMONGOOD_COM:
That's a fair question and it's impossible at this time to answer. I blew my top when he started appointing all Bush's people, then escalating all that terrorist propaganda which is still happening now. So while he did accomplish a lot going "forward", he sent our democracy into a tailspin. I believe if Obama damages himself, it will still not damage the democratic party. I'm hopeful in 2016 that we get someone with more guts to make good on his/her retoric.
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Now would be an excellent time for local DNC branches to begin their GOTV efforts in the red districts.
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GOP antics will not damage Obama one bit"----Of course not. The only damage they are doing
and at this point, permanent damage is to their own reputation and credibility - 3 months ago
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SFirman:
Exactly!
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right-wing-corporate-FASCISM at it's finest!
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cmdinc
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MSII:
you don't understand Facism do you?
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cmdinc
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cmdinc:
The definition of Fascism: A government system lead by a dictator having complete power, forcibly oppressing opposition and criticism. It believes in a strict class structure where everyone has a specific, defined role, while a certain race is considered superior, individuality among it's members is discouraged. Also, it blames society's problems on members of other races or social groups. Sort sound like the GOP to me.
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northernexpat:
cut and paste the definition?...i asked if you understood it. No reply neccessary.
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northernexpat:
GOOD DEFINITION
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northernexpat:
Great response expat, but you're trying to explain it to someone who thinks all democrats are communists, so you may as well get ready to define that as well.
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MarshainFlorida
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I'm more concerned with the impact the entrenched GOP will have on the entire US economy and it's image around the world then whether it will damage the President. Obama is the President for the next four years and will not run again. But, I can see China and Russia licking their lips on the complete breakdown in congress as their chance to become more powerful and influential then the US. The teabaggers are so unpatriotic and only care about themselves and corporate America, regardless of how much it actually hurts the country.
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northernexpat:
I am sorry to say our image around the world is destroyed, Republicans has turned the last superpower into a carnival of clowns.
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letsliveinpeace:
oh such clowns they were
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buddhawoman
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These men of gop/tea party..hate the usa people they like what corportion wants..at all cost they do not want the dnc and obama to win at anything..they feel that they will next election....they want a smaller goverment so they can get away with more...
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letsliveinpeace
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buddhawoman:
Exactly, they want George W. Bush back.
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letsliveinpeace
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letsliveinpeace
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GOP antics will not damage Obama one bit
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