Colo. Democrats pass most gun-control bills but drop two after rape outcry
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Colorado Democrats rammed most of their gun-control package through the state Senate late Friday, but yanked two bills after a furious backlash over the concerns of rape victims.Senate Democrats gave initial approval to five bills, including legislation to extend background checks to private sales, limit ammunition magazine and shotgun capacity, and compel domestic-violence offenders to relinquish their guns.
But with the clock nearing midnight and a blizzard looming, Democrats agreed to drop two of the more controversial measures: a bill to create legal liability for gun manufacturers and sellers, and another to ban concealed-carry on state college campuses.
The liability bill was seen as an overreach, given that it conflicts with a 2005 federal law, while the concealed-carry bill became politically explosive after a Democratic legislator dismissed the concerns of rape victims who testified against it in committee.
Colorado stands to lose its status as a premier hunting and sports-shooting destination if the governor signs gun-control bills now rolling through the state legislature, according to an executive producer for the Outdoor Channel.
Michael Bane, an executive producer for four hunting-related shows, said in a letter released Friday that the Outdoor Channel will move its production out of Colorado if the bills become law. Other hunting shows, organizations and clubs are also expected to avoid the state, he said.
“Next month I will be in Texas meeting with most of the top outdoor/hunting producers, and the Number One agenda item will be Colorado,” said Mr. Bane in a March 5 letter to Republican state Sen. Steve King. “Already, hunting organizations and statewide hunting clubs around the country are pulling out of Colorado, and we expect this trend to accelerate rapidly.”
He estimated the channel’s departure would cost the state almost $1 million in 2013. The Outdoor Channel has already canceled one filming session originally slated for late March.
“Obviously, part of this is due to our own commitment to the right to keep and bear arms, but it also reflects three lawyers’ opinions that these laws are so poorly drafted and so designed to trap otherwise legal citizens into a crime … that it is simply too dangerous for us to film here,” Mr. Bane said.
The Outdoor Channel is the latest gun-affiliated company poised to leave Colorado if a package of Democrat-sponsored gun-control bills becomes law. The largest of those, Magpul Industries Corp. in Erie, Colo., a major ammunition-magazine producer, would cost Colorado as many as 600 jobs.
Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, a Democrat, has said that he supports legislation to restrict magazine ammunition capacity, as well as bills to require universal background checks and charge gun buyers “a reasonable fee” for those checks.
In a late-night Senate floor debate Friday, several Democrats said concerns about preventing mass shootings like July’s Aurora movie theater massacre overrode their desire to keep gun-related businesses in Colorado.
“I respect their right to make a business decision and understand they’ve been seeking incentives from a variety of states,” state Sen. Mary Hodge, a Democrat, said. “I hope they respect our right to increase the safety of our citizens.”
The state Senate gave initial approval to five gun control bills Friday, but Democrats dropped two bills after a furious backlash over the concerns of rape victims.
The Senate advanced bills to extend background checks to private sales, limit ammunition magazine and shotgun capacity, require gun buyers to pay for background checks, ban online concealed-carry permitting, and compel domestic-violence offenders to relinquish their guns.
With the clock nearing midnight and a blizzard looming, legislators agreed to yank two of the most controversial measures: a bill to create legal liability for gun manufacturers and sellers, and another to ban concealed-carry on college campuses.
The liability bill was seen as an overreach, given that it conflicts with a 2005 federal law, while the concealed-carry bill became politically explosive after a Democratic legislator dismissed the concerns of rape victims who testified against it in committee.
One victim, Amanda Collins, testified last week that she was raped in a gun-free zone on campus after leaving her firearm behind.
“I know without a doubt in my mind that at some point I would have been able to stop my attack by using my firearm,” Ms. Collins said.
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We know gun ownership protects people from crime. Americans have the highest per capita level of gun ownership in the western world and the highest level of per capita gun crime in the western world. How much more evidence of gun ownership protecting a society against crime do you need?
Wait a minute. Something doesn’t seem logical about that statement. Let me get back to you.
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mrpuma2u
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Public-health researchers have concluded that in homes where guns are present, the likelihood that someone in the home will die from suicide or homicide is much greater.
Read more: Gun owners more often kill themselves than others - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/ci_9747969#ixzz2NG8hJc3w
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mrpuma2u:
" Public-health researchers have concluded
that in homes where guns are present,
the likelihood that someone in the home
will die from suicide or homicide is much
greater."It should also be noted that homes with guns increase the likelihood of intruders leaving in bodybags.
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dugdog47
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dugdog47:
Don't you just love posts that begin with "Public-health researchers have concluded" or such banalities as "studies have shown". I'm sure someone has researched and found that marriage is the single biggest cause of divorce.
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Paratus:
They can cure the divorce problem by outlawing all marriages. A lot of lawyers would go broke.
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Paratus:
Ah yes, I heard one the other day where they did a study to determine if there were too many studies being conducted. Your tax dollars at work.
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Paratus:
That's for sure. The best way to understand something is to not study it at all.
Isn't that a conservative motto, or rule, or creed or something?
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"Other hunting shows, organizations and clubs are also expected to avoid the state, he said."
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA So you're telling me people aren't going to come into the the calm serene wilderness to slaughter the wildlife? AWESOME.
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EmperorThan:
Don't worry, your state officials will find other ways to make up the lost revenue, like taxing your leagal weed.
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EmperorThan
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Blah blah blah GUNS!!!! Herp derp herp derp GUNS PROTECTION!!!! HERPPP DERPPPPPPPP
If you think guns are the only way to protect yourself you're a fucking idiot and you look like a weakling.
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EmperorThan:
" If you think guns are the only way to
protect yourself "No. I also have a tendancy to put my boot up someones ass.
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EmperorThan:
That sure makes the police look bad.
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dugdog47
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There was a time when I wanted to visit Colorado. Not anymore.
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dugdog47:
Me neither. I'll eventually go elk hunting in Wyoming.
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Vic_Romano:
Sounds fun. Did you hear about the elk they're releasing in Missouri? If all goes well we might have managed hunts for em in a few years.
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dugdog47:
That's more in your neck of the woods, but I hope it works out. Of course, every hunter in the state would be putting in for a hunt--maybe bow or muzzleoader eventually--but I can't see a rifle hunt ever.
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Vic_Romano:
I've been doing managed hunts for over ten years now and have been picked more often than not. But your right, the chance of getting picked for an elk hunt would be pretty slim.
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dugdog47:
Residents of Colorado will be glad to hear that.
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unimatrix0:
So will other states, that I will visit and spend my hard earned money.
Oh yea, did you hear about the company called pro-mag, based in Colorado? They make "30 round banana clips", and are selling them to residents of Colorado cheap. Haha! Before the ban goes into effect they are flooding the market. =)
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dugdog47:
"They make '30 round banana clips', and are selling them to residents of Colorado cheap."
What caliber, and what kind of shooting do you use them for?
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Varex_Sythe:
I will not give any other info. But if you're a resident of Colorado, go into any gunship and ask about it.
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dugdog47:
"I will not give any other info."
Why? I'm pretty sure that the caliber which the 30 round clips are made for are not a personal issue, and as to what kind of shooting you use them for... well that kinda goes to the matter at hand. If, for example, you're using a 30 round clip for target shooting then more power to you. However, if you are using a 30 round clip for something like hunting... well then you might want to find another activity if you need that many rounds to drop a deer.
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Varex_Sythe:
I usually hunt with a bow or a muzzle loader, one shot, one kill. Takes alot of skill and practice. Now for turkey it's a shotgun. But wild hogs, thats where the 30 rndrs come into play. Not that you need that many to kill one hog, but you never know because those things can kill ya.
Oh yea, I never hunt anything I'm not gonna eat. If I ain't gonna grill it, I ain't gonna kill it.
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Hey, I grew up in Wyoming and my Dad always sad, "Better to have a gun and not need it than need one and not have it."
And one year Mike and I went antelope hunting -- actually really enjoyed that whole experience :-)! - 2 months ago
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dugdog47:
Spring turkey's going to be good this year though.
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wolfess:
My uncle brought back a near ton bull elk from Wyoming about 10 years ago. It fed his family, as well as a bunch of others, for nearly 6 months. The meat was delicious. I've always wanted to go on a hunt like that--even though I'd need something a little more powerful than my .240 mag.
I've only dropped whitetails.
Needless to say, though, I'll probably steer clear of Colorado if they're going to start passing a bunch of silly laws which won't do much of anything to deter criminals and psychos.
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Vic_Romano:
You won't hear a peep out of me from April 15-19=)
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FreedomRingsAgain:
And that's just it. Criminals won't obey the law.
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Perhaps they only want stoner tourists.
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"One victim, Amanda Collins, testified last week that she was raped in a gun-free zone on campus after leaving her firearm behind."
These politicians know what's best for us that's why we elected them.
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Fear not, instead of being allowed to exercise their Constitutional right to bear arms to defend themselves, all women on campus will now instead be issued high quality plastic rape whistles to protect themselves.
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/citizen-warrior/2013/feb/20/...
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Scrapner:
How stylish. They should also come with decorative necklaces that can also be used as a choking device. After reading your comment I thought you were joking but after I followed the link this guy is serious.
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"One victim, Amanda Collins, testified last week that she was raped in a gun-free zone on campus after leaving her firearm behind."
So... she's scared enough of being raped to carry a gun to places where guns are allowed, but she's not scared enough to carry a $15 can of pepper spray or bear mace which would be as effective as a gun in terms of preventing her from being raped if used to that end...?
Note, I'm not blaming her for being raped. I'm pointing out the flaw in the logic that she needed a gun to prevent the rape from occurring.
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