House Votes to Punish Joe Wilson

Obama "DID" vote against the war.

the point of the question was that i wish Obama or any other senator for that matter, would've caused the same type of disruption and disrespect that Wilson did to Bush about the war. Votes don't mean SHIT just look at the 2000 election.

Well put.

just wondering, fallenmorgan... why do you have such a crush on the third party? they cannot field a viable candidate.

Play the race card, Granny! To folks like you, dissent equals racism. Disagree with Obama? You're a racist. Back in the days when I was a democrat, if you disagreed with the president, you were excercising your free speech rights. Now, if you disagree, you're being a racist. I never thought leftist could be so damned stupid and closed minded.

It is whatever you want to call it Chuck.

Not long ago folks were dissenting the Iraq war - were they patriotic or anti-american??? today dissenters are either patriotic or racist. Depends on how your side spins it.

everyone in congress worked with strom thurman, guess they're all racists.

And they all work with Robert Byrd. So every Democrat is a racist because of Byrd?

There is a difference between working with and working FOR.

The man was his boss and his idol.

If he admired the man for other reasons, he definitely never went public with those reasons.

But since you guys are apparently legally obligated to stick to your "side," I won't bother pursuing this any further.

I don't have a side, just noting a few things.

If that can be scheduled, FM, I'd do my best to get over my life-long distaste for roasting marshmallows.

Well, we all know that, in a perfect world ( planet Beldar) Dissent=Racism. Here on Planet Earth, and more specifically, the USA, we believe that dissent is the highest form of patriotism!

Only religious zealots and right wing whack jobs would accuse someone of wanting to be a Messiah. The terminolgy is inaccurate and inappropriate. Second, Mr. Wilson has the right to free speech, however, he is also a US Senator. As such, it is expected he would show some DIGNITY AND CLASS in public. Instead we are treated to a display that is more appropriate to the Jerry Springer show than a live presidential speech. In addition, he was WRONG. He accused Obama of lying about the fact that undocumented aliens would not be eligible to receive health care, but if he READ THE FUCKING BILL he would have discovered that it clearly stated that undocumented aliens ARE NOT eligible to recieve government health benefits.

What is wrong with you people?? Obama is trying to pass a government health care bill that will force insurance companies to think twice before they try to screw people like YOU with a rate increase. If you so choose you can keep your private plan and continue to allow private health insurers to rape you financially, that will continue to be your priviledge. Yet folks like you have the gaul to accuse him of being a socialist!!

Let me ask you something-will you be eligible for SS and Medicare when you get older? Do you drive on good roads, recieve the benefits of a strong defense and protection of the CIA, NSA and FBI? Are your bank deposits insured by the FDIC, does the EPA protect your environment, does money spent on the Consumer Protection Agency and the Labor Department protect you? Will NOAA predict your weather or warn you if a tornado or hurricane is coming your way. Did you recieve a decent public education? If you accepted any of these benefits (in addition to hundreds more funded by the federal government) then by you're definition you are a socialist AND a hypocrite by my definition. Do you think conservatives and their enablers, FOX "News", Limbaugh, Hannity and Beck would be screaming and yelling about this health reform if McCain was president and trying to pass an identical bill??? Do you understand now why people see conservatives and nothing but racists? Get a life.

except bush WAS a traitor and broke the law invading a sovereign nation that was not a threat to us and never even declared war. 5000 dead on our side, many more wounded or maimed, 250,000 (at least) dead civillians over there, and we've dumped enough DU on their country between the 2 gulf wars that they're already having funny looking kids (a gross understatement there are some horrific deformities there) Barack Obama tries to pass a health care bill, and you're comparing him with the worst president ever? sheesh.

nephrack -- im NOT defending bush but that is the biggest load of NPR propaganda i've read in a long time.
Bush did not break the law by going into iraq as we had already beat sadaam in the first gulf war. Sadaams failure to abide by the surrender agreement he signed subjected him to a further ass whipping. There was no sovereign iraq as we beat them and could have taken their country back then but we didn't, we were mercifull.
We killed relatively few of sadaams men the second time we went in, they were easily beat(in battle terms).
Most of the dead and wounded have been caused by religious insurgents, and bombers sent in by other countries. Long story short, your post is not correct as everything was "legal". I guess your either too young to see the whole picture or you just read or watch to much b.s.

guess you've never taken a political science class montesooma. 'we' broke international law by not declaring war. bush's daddy declared war, at least he had the sense to cover his own ass. there was no breach of any "surrender agreement" as we never (and independent inspectors never) found any weapons of mass destruction

wait a sec...i have to quote you on this... prepare for humiliation...

" There was no sovereign iraq as we beat them and could have taken their country back then but we didn't, we were mercifull."

so we owned iraq after the first gulf war? that is probably some of the most ignorant crap i have ever heard spewed on this perfectly good website. true, saddam and the bush family were in bed, just like the bush family were/are in bed with the saudibinladin group, we were "mercifull?" fuck you. i lost too many friends and family who were in the armed forces during bush 2's little adventure to ever believe we were merciful.

do you mean the lancet propaganda or Johns Hopkins propaganda? you can't even spell saddam right. i'm guessing the red cross , Johns Hopkins, and the UN weapons inspectors are all wrong, and the almighty shrub was right? go sit in the corner Montezuma. that's the correct spelling BTW. i don't consider "smart" bombs that can hit a door handle, but take out a city block humane. can you even tell me what DU means? can you? over a million dead, and no provocation. justify your patriotism any way you want, doesn't change a thing.

keep watching fox news.
i'll look forward to mentally and verbally eviscerating you at every chance i get.

"patriotism is the virtue of the vicious."
-Oscar Wilde

zing.

floop! oh wait... the democrats have done more for the environment than the rethugs ever did, janforGORE but you still hate on the dems just like they were in bed with big oil. your bile won't win any converts.

He has a right to his opinions, but he does not have the right to yell out like white trash at a public speech given by the president.
He may be a racist, but that is not the issue, it is his conduct.
And many in the Congress thought the same of Bush but did not yell it out in public on national Television. If they had done that, it would be equally as bad.

America is turning into a trash country with people who just scream at eachother instead of debating.

First, many of Obamas opponents ARE liars. Still, if he accused them of being liars, it was as a group, not an individual; big, big, difference. Second, the "reason" Wilson called him a liar was 100% wrong. Wilson claimed that illegal immigrants would be able to recieve health care and the health care reform bill specifically stated they would not. So here you have a member of Congress called the POTUS a liar on live TV during a speech and he was wrong. Thats what you call making an ass of yourself. The only thing Wilson left out of his outburst was the word "boy". If Obama was white, this NEVER would have happened.

which health care reform bill? there isn't a final bill so the president was being "disingenuous"
The house bill in its current form is not finished and makes no provision for determining who is here legally.
You need to stop reading maureen dowd and watching cnn as they are not interested in the truth only with helping to garnish power for the progressives and the central govnment -- apparently they believe they'll be rewarded for their efforts in the end.