If nothing is done what will happen with health care? The costs aren't going down. My wife has great coverage but we are going to have to pay almost double what she pays now, starting next year, and we are going to get less. A lot less.
So if we stand pat on health care...what do people think will be the future? Do they think health insurers will lower costs and provide more services? Do they think employers will stop demanding more employee money towards their plans, while continuing to lower plan quality?
For those who want to leave health care as is I just would like to know what they foresee happening.
hpseaton, your comment is spot on and sometimes the real story is what may crack the stubborn people who are fighting healthcare reform. I truly believe these people who oppose such change are either working for the right wing or insurance company's and after a quick buck.
notice what all the grey countries have in common beside no healthcare? they are all third world shitholes where the richest 1% control 95% of the wealth and they don't want to break the power structure and corruption. just keep that gravy train a rollin for the fat cats. America is slipping behind the rest of the world. We used to be a beacon of libery and justice and hopes and dreams, and ever since the neocons came in with first Nixon and then the Reagan administration, we've been going backwards.
What is that old expression...birds of a feather flock together...if thats the case, then we keep some some pretty miserable company. I guess in that respect we share the same view of human rights as North Korea. I also had to laugh when I saw that Alaska is named separate from the United States ...the map is quite accurate in a number of ways.
I honestly cannot believe the exchange that just took place here.
Darwin observed the FACT of natural selection, he wasn't an advocate for it.
No more than the person who first documented the mating procedure of a Praying Mantis was an advocate for cannibalism. No more than Einstein's observation of nuclear interactions make him an advocate for nuclear apocalypse.
This is professional idiocy, you guys deserve a standing ovation. And then a kick in the balls.
America is one of a few smart countries helping the human civilization by only letting those with hearty immune systems survive; and the rich. Bravo, keep up the human advancement: not everyone deserves life and health.
we have a bunch of liars and crooks for representatives, and health care reform is all about ways to make sure the rich get richer, the poor get poorer, and the sick get hooked up to whatever miracle Big Pharma is pushing.
We need to vote them all out and start over. Spineless hacks, pretty much all of them...
And even if he did need to learn what that means, that wouldn't make his argument incorrect.
How hard would it have been to point out the weaknesses in those systems as a warning to being too eager to jump into them? Could it be that there practically aren't any (especially when compared to what we have now)?
Neocons say a lot more with their silence than they do with their boisterous noise.
seaton - Canada, for example, has had universal health care since about the 40's as well. They are also suffering grueling if not fatal delays in treatment. The rising cost of providing this health care is causing the Canadian government to choke medical supplies. This means fewer doctors, fewer hospitals, fewer specialists, and more sparse coverage.
It isn't all it's cracked up to be. Universal health care will not end our nation's poor health. Damned if I'm going to pay for the 2/3 of our country that is fat as shit to keep simply existing every day. Damned if I'll pay for the thousands of kids that are "diagnosed" with AD(H)D every year just because their parents didn't feel like making a conscious effort to ensure their child payed attention.
their taxes are up 30-35% of their income and that is usally just the middle class. also they have a growing homeless problem that is rivialing the US. So if healthcare is universal in the US most likely our taxes will take a hike.
Peoples health is important. I guess that's why we have so many eating problems.
Peoples health is important. I guess that's why both parent's usually have to work to keep up with the bills, not having enough time for their own families. This adds a load of stress which leads to blood pressure and pre-natel issues (according to the AMA).
Peoples health is important. I guess that's why for decades we never cared enough to get our congress to stop passing laws that inhibit the cost of healthcare to actually go down.
Peoples health is important. I guess that's why so many people cannot afford healthcare but can afford a new big screen TV and other assorted nonsense.
Peoples health is important. I guess that's why we buy every drug we can to heal us instead of taking basic care of ourselves.
And I apologize. I was not meaning to be snappy. I am just sick and tired of people blaming insurance companies (which do their share of cheating to), and refusing to address the above issues as well.
I detest the idea that people feel so trapped in a situation that they seek the quickest, easiest way out without fully addressing the problems. This leads to short term booms and longer term poverty etc.
It is indeed noble to help others, I agree. Yet you cannot help those who do not want to work harder to help themselves. I work very hard, and my healthcare consists of an annual checkup when mandated by my insurance company. Its all I need. I am not an exception either. I just fail to see how so many others in these rallies are standing up and shouting, taking time away from work to lobby the govt for healthcare that they are told is cheap.
Healthy people are more productive. Not necessarily. I met a lot of people who are in great shape who contribute absolutely nothing.
I do not like how the government is not honest about the cost involved.
Lastly, no noble idea can be implemented if the benefactors themselves are in debt. 'Becasue all these other nations are doing it' reminds me of the old saying 'well if they jumped off of a bridge, would you jump too?'
I think you're forgetting consumerist culture or particularly what capitalism has made the american citizen into. People will vote/protest against their own interest to buy a tv, car, or whatever crap you can buy because they were told since childhood this means you're successful. People will vote against a healthcare system safety net that would help them in case of emergency without impoverishing them, and a higher education system that will produce a highly educated populace because they have made shopping into a religion. They didn't invent this religion but they certainly listen to the sermons.
Now for helping people who wont help themselves, does that mean we should punish their children as well? I should go on asking not everyone can be a 400k wage earner, and knowing that must be a little daunting in society of massive class differences. There is no honor in poverty, squalor, barely surviving, or "getting by"..
Healthy people can potentially contribute something, whereas the guy dying of cancer isn't in the position to do so. I'm not sure what you were proposing with that comment.
I don't think everyones thinks like this, but the fact that anyone below the rich class thinks this way makes my head spin.
“corporatism is a tricky word. It’s been around for a long, long time, and it has come to have a few different meanings.
One of those meanings is an older traditional meaning that has its roots way back in the days of European feudalism and represents the way that different socio-economic classes used to organize themselves so they would be included in state politics.
But… there is another more modern, pejorative meaning that is generally accepted to refer to the way in which today’s corporations, aided by a willing government via legislation and unrestricted lobbying, are growing in power and influence at the expense of the public’s welfare.”