Walmart to sell that f*cked up crazy Christian game

The game is based off of the book series, not the movie.

Lol, there are a lot of Christians that aren't literate. This game was inspired directly from the book series. I only read the first one, so I don't know if it's accurate, but the game is certainly not an atheist conspiracy. The idea tickles me.

Do stories like that make the headlines? Sometimes, but not very often.

We need to address the things that are unjust and unfair. We can't sit by and watch all these horrible things happen while we twiddle our thumbs. I get that you think posting stories like this is promoting hate, but I'm simply trying to show the hypocrisies of a small sect of Christians. How can we address issues if we remain in the dark? If people want to accuse all Christians with the actions and ideals of a few that's their choice.

Not the worst video game out there.

Unless you're stating that a video game can affect people?

You cannot pick and choose which will do such. Either all do or none do and according to the consensus of the thread I mentioned....this one should have never been created.

I agree with you. It is news seeing as it's bringing everyone's attention to this game and Walmart, but I don't think it's quite appropriate. The news group consists of Political and World News along with the inevitable pot stories. A story with this kind of headline isn't really on par with other stories in that category.

Thanks though! :hug:

LOL! Go to Destructoid where I copied and pasted the entire thing. It's meant to be funny.

LOL!

It is good, but it gets many things wrong in religion....the tone is just terrible.

So that excuses them? So its ok for people to misrepresent a religion and its tenets for crass commercial purposes? Just cause it's "so common"?

Nice values you have there.

You reward positive and appreciated behavior.

Screaming wolf every single time you don't like what someone who says they are religious does...well...people start not to care.

Score one for apathy.

No, that merely exposes your own values. Plenty of folks see what's wrong with this kind of thing, even christians.

You are defending the indefensible.

lol...damn I do enjoy a good debate between you two.

Thank you, thank you.

I have not defended them.

I am just stating anyone pointing out the hypocrisy are being hypocrites themselves. This is a thorny one and one shouldn't bother to think it's important enough to talk about unless promoting the game is on their agenda.

No, by saying that it is too unimportant to criticize, you ARE defending them.

But why is pointing out hypocrisy being hypocritical? I know that we all are a bit hypocritical at times, mostly on unimportant things, as you note, but why the blanket statement?

The mere criticism of hypocrisy is not in and of itself hypocritical, in my view.

So show me why you think it is.

Because this is when those that point it out act like they ever are.

Exactly how you're acting. Notice you can't say "I make hypocritical statements from time to time" you have to go with the broad and gerenal idea of "I know we all are"...

The phrases "I know" and "Of course" are not agreements and more like pacifiers to agreeing.

No, it is accepting a fact - human tend to be hypocritical, mostly on minor matters, and often just to make ourselves comfortable.

You still haven't pointed out why pointing out hypocrisy is itself hypocritical. Saying "because..." and pointing at your opponent when you have no examples of it is no explanation.

Define it, please.

I did, you either don't get it or don't like it.

I guess you want me to simplify it.

Just say so.

Bob and John are children. John goes in and takes a cookie before dinner. Bob goes in and takes a cookie and gets caught by mother. There has been a new rule that if you eat a cookie before dinner you don't get dessert.

John, wanting more dessert, points to Bob and says he should go without dessert for what he had done. Totally not sharing that he had done it also.

Mother agrees. Bob goes without.

Unbeknownst to the children their mother had had a cookie before dinner as well.

Know which one you are?

That's why it's sometimes hypocritical to point out someone else's hypocrisy. It's a matter of what is being pointed out and why.

...and the key to your example is ... SOMETIMES.

I agree that your example points out a classic example of hypocrisy. Two, in fact, if one counts mama.

But it does NOT show that ANY criticism of hypocrisy is itself hypocrisy.

To make a blanket statement, one must have a general thread of reasoning behind that statement, and you have done nothing more than provide a specific example of a classic case of hypocrisy, well worth criticism.

Once again, define your reasoning behind the statement that ALL criticism of hypocrisy is hypocrisy.

Merely stating that all humans are at one time or another does in no way prove your point, as it is the same as protesting to one's parents that it is ok to drink underage because "everybody's doing it".

This situation is on a different level from a couple of kids stealing a cookie from a cookie jar, and deserves a different level of scrutiny and criticism. All instances of hypocrisy are not the same, and to claim otherwise is disingenuous.

It is not really a key, it is a given.

and you're assuming that I would be pleased and satified via you agreeing that I got it right by your standards. That is a naughty thing to assume.

I made no assumptions, pleas go by what I say, not what you want me to say.

Yes you did.

Unless you point out your own faults, pointing out others is hypocritical.

Crap. Quote me where I made such an assumption.

"Unless you point out your own faults, pointing out others is hypocritical."

That's only true if my actions in a given situation are hypocritical and part of what I criticize, such as your example. Otherwise, you have NOT done what I asked, and stop trying to wiggle out of it and redefine the question.

Again, define your reasoning for why ALL criticism of hypocrisy is hypocrisy and stop trying to divert the subject.

First of all, atheists are NOT "christian haters". Just because we have become activist in protecting our interests against the illegal christian use of government resources to spread their message of hate doesn't mean we hate them.

And I'd say the hypocrisy here is more on the christian side - making a game in which christians KILL non-believers?

Not exactly a christ-like message, now, is it? Maybe the creators of this game (and those defending them) need to go back to church next Sunday. Or maybe they shouldn't wait for Sunday - just call your pastor and ask for some psychological assistance - you NEED it!!

Speaking about a violent video game as bad when the commentator stated that violence doesn't come from games is hypocritical and stupid.

That's all. Jan said the rest.

"I'm totally against the idea that videogames can cause violence, but the twisted Christian morality in the Left Behind games is more than a little creepy."

No, it's not. The commentator was just as dismissive of the hypocrisy behind the "values" expressed here as I was.

I didn't call THE GAME bad in and of itself, but am very critical of the hypocritical action of designing a game (for christians) that allows them to act in very unchristian ways, especially in a christian centric setting.

If nothing else, it exposes the authors as very crass and self-serving in a commercial sense if they are willing to commercialize that hypocrisy.

God forbid there be hypocrites that run rampant to sell video games.

The bigger problem is the need to point out something because you don't like religion.

And what's wrong about pointing out hypocrisy?

Just because the subject has a religious air about it doesn't make it immune from criticism, even if the religion is christianity.

ALL instances of hypocrisy are subject to this kind of treatment, religious or not - its just that the religious zanies do it more often!

And how many articles about atheist hypocrisy have been up on current?

Nice, but failed try.

Maybe its because we don't engage in such obvious, blatant cases of it!

Nice failed try yourself. You christians are more than welcome to post examples of such things, so don't accuse us of failing to do what you haven't either!

Not really, I got the pretentious response I expected to get from you. Perfection is atheism. Oh wait...you don't believe in perfect. How about flawless or without failings?

You cannot deny such an adjective without backing it up with why atheism isn't 'perfect' or isn't without flaw.

And I don't bother pointing out peoples hypocritical statements as often as you do with Christians. One it's a waste of time because all humans are hypocritical without fail and two if the hypocritical thought isn't on a massive scale then it's not worth getting into it.

But of course a measly little video game no one knew about until it was mentioned here and via the link...well that's well worth talking about.

Now it'll get more buyers.

This is also what was done when The Passion of the Christ came out. So much controversy over it and it got more publicity than it could have ever afford and it BOOMED at the box office instead of maybe whimpered if it were left alone.

What has this pointing out accomplished here other than showing atheist know how to hate?

Pretentious? Seriously Jammer? You are just as pretentious as the rest of us so that nullifies your point.

As for pointing stuff out....you are a master of making a mountain out of a molehill. Now let me add: I really enjoy when you do that, but it does smack of hypocrisy when accusing others of the same tack.

I think it's you that's blowing this up. I didn't show any hate, my comments were solely about the hypocrisy.

But this topic is more about the bad taste of what is really twisting what many people feel is the main point of christianity out of recognition - AND selling it!

As for the religion part, yeah, I'm not especially enamored of religion. I think it's designed as a mass control system, and badly at that.

Pointing out hypocrisy is never out of order, no matter who engages in it. I'll bitch-slap Dawkins, Harris or any of those guys if I detect hypocrisy in a public statement.

Feel free to post whatever instances of atheist hypocrisy you can find - please. I'd love to smoke 'em as much as I did these guys.

Oh, and you ARE right about the Streisand Effect. I'll bet the authors are luvin' it...;-)

It exists. I won't post it. It's pointless to point it out as I already stated.

Hi Jan! Wanted to let you know that I originally didn't tag this with news cuz I don't think it's appropriate for the news section. I've removed it from the group.

Ooh, also, I didn't post this story because it's violent. Yes I have violent games, but only because most games are violent. I posted this because of the message the game is trying to portray: convert all unbelievers or kill them. I know you're a Christian Jan, do you really adhere to this mantra? Instead of being mad at me for bringing such a disgusting game to your attention, shouldn't you be mad at the game for making all Christians look to be blood-thirsty murderers?

I also would not be enthused by a game where I kill religious people. Atheists have no book that tells us to convert believers and if I really wanted to mow down mindless citizens, I have zombie games for that.

I'm not a Christian hater. It's funny you jump to that conclusion. I dislike Christianity because of some of the wrongs it's dealt me and because of the hypocrisy and rabidity of some of its followers. Note: some, not all. If I was a true Christian hater as you suggest then I would have to dump most of my friends then huh?

Thanks for reading!

It is NOT pointless.

To allow anybody to get away with hypocrisy in such an apathetic manner is to condone it.

If you cannot point it out, I must assume you have no ready examples.

But, as I said, please post any you find in the future. I'll be glad to wade in as I mentioned.

The fact that you don't know any means what? That you think y'all are flawless? It cuts both ways.

It is pointless because mentioning every single thing gets you where?

Do you fess up to your hypocritical moments? I like to see that.

Choose your battles. This shouldn't have been one of them.

I didn't say I didn't know any, I want to hear what you've found. Obviously, you frequent places I do not.

Now you're just blowing smoke.

I'm merely (as you have been doing) making an assumption based on how all humans, as you already agreed with, make hypocritical statements. And since you cannot state that atheist are without flaw then they'd be part of the entire world population that does.

I don't know of any places that care enough to point that out about hypocritical atheist, but apparently the are far lesser than Christian ones. Funny thing is the only difference between the two is beliefs. They are still both humans and humans are hypocritical and by stating one is more than the other you'd have to share some from both.

SO...therefore one cannot state that one is more than the other and by pointing this out and never having pointed out any on atheist shows a complete disregard for your idea of hypocrites need to be pointed out.

Making you what you hate.

What a twisted argument!

I am not denying or admitting to hypocrisy, any more than the normal human is wont to be. The fact is immaterial to the criticism I have of the instant topic.

And since I haven't posted ANY stories on this site, your criticism of my choices of whom I choose to criticize is pointless.

As I mentioned, post some examples of atheist hypocrisy and I'll dive in and criticize with the best of them. Hypocrisy is hypocrisy, no matter who engages in it.

Pointing it out and criticizing it IS worth doing, as it makes people aware of the situation, and perhaps some folks will avoid that particular trap in the future.

If it so pointless, what are you doing here?

I have never made the claim that everything I engage in is worth anything.

So you point out EVERY single hypocritical thing people do?

And since it's such a bother to you, do you talk about your own blunders?

I don't need to, I'm married. That job is taken! LOL!

As I just noted in the other thread, not all hypocrisy is the same, nor does it all deserve the same level of criticism.

This does deserve criticism, even to the extent of bringing more attention to the game.

Why does it?

What makes this any different than any other hypocritical thing a FEW Christians have done?

Numbers don't matter to me as they obviously do to you. I haven't been keeping count.

It matters because, as I noted earlier, (and as the commentator also noted) these guys have twisted the widely accepted christian message of love and peace into something unrecognizable.

Supposedly, the Left Behind Series was supposed to spread the message. This game, I think, spreads the wrong message by taking the end times prophesies of christianity and twisting it into something that is not there.

We don't need any more raging fundies in this world ready to kill for their god than there already are.

Did I say it was any different? No, I don't recall making that statement. Please don't put words into my mouth.

That does not answer the question I asked.

You just told me a bunch of information that points to this being no different than any other time and therefore just another hypocritical moment with a few Christians.

Wooptydo.

LOL!!

All your post does is point out the obvious fact that we disagree on the outrageousness of the topic.

I think they're being hypocritical and radical and you don't.

So go somewhere else and find an example of an atheist being hypocritical. I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find one.

I'm not the one that said, "OMG I'll point out every hypocritial thing I see no matter who it is....*names names* Durr...that's how good I am."

And neither did you--but it's mockingly close.

Close only counts in hand grenades and horseshoes.

I have not done nor said any such thing, nor can you quote where I have. Like I noted, please stop putting words in my mouth and building your straw men.

I think I've made my points and had my say. Thanks for the interesting debate.

See ya 'round!

Says the angry Christian....

Nevertheless, that response was very much jumping to proclaimed excuse of yours of Atheists hating Christians....

We told you over again that we do not hate Christians....

Your hypothesis is clearly wrong.

Super lolz, how the hell does a game about Christians killing non-believers result in a nasty comment (original post) against atheists? It's pure nonsense.

"So why don't one of you invent a video game where a vigilante atheist goes around killing all the 'believers.'' Actually I can see this as an adult swim game or something!

Hi, I have a wonderful life thanks for asking!

Current is not the National Inquirer. If it was I wouldn't be here.

It's the idea that this game is extremely un-Christian that made me post it. No, not all Christians want to kill unbelievers (all of my Christian friends laughed when I told them about this game), but that a small margin want to, and then created a computer game about it, and then had Walmart carry it is rather disturbing.

Thanks for reading!

Damn Nettle you are being way nicer that I think you have to be, lol! You are the head of the Gaming group, of course you are up on your cool gaming news (I think this story is perfect for Current btw) and besides, this person's profile says "I never read any comments posted after my own, on all topics. Reply all you want, I will not be reading it. Sorry. :)"

So, whatevs- but I respect your respectfulness Nettle!

Lol, so if she really won't reply to anything we write her, I can call her a skanky old ho' and not illicit any response? Sweet.

Atheists don't care what you believe, they only ask that religions give them the same right.

Christianity and Islam have scriptures that tell them to convert the unbelievers. Find me a atheist manifesto that tells them to convert believers.

Seriously? Atheists need to stop pushing their agendas around the world? Really? Did you think this post out much?

hahhahhah...acontradiction you celebrate christmas? Since you seem to be a little short with Christian piety and mercy I was entertaining doubts.

Yule will do! And grambinous worship of THOR! Just keep that hammer down! Party hard!

Just a video game?

I was joking people, joking. But I do celebrate Christmas as a family event. My mother is a Christian, the rest are sort of iffy and I think my father and I are the only atheists.

as opposed to how many Muslim fanatics have killed over the centuries? The Crusades were largely a Catholic power grab. Absolute power corrupts.

Most, if not all, belief systems have extremists.

We followers of Thor have no extremism. We tend to drink too much and lose our hammers long before we can cause violence.

I'm sorry, but I don't know what you mean.