The God Equation?

Oh good. That explains all the starving people in Africa. I knew there had to be a reason.

Added to "Space", "Out There",....and "Indigenous".

GOOD GOD !

....aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh,.....the good old days.

J_Jammer R.I.P.

( ol 'Vierotchka is STILL "kicking ass" in 9 languages,......if you include binary and pig LATIN ! )

HUZZAH !

Since V needed time to think she had won I will now share what I said I had:

John 10:36 (New International Version)

36what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?

John 10:36 (New American Standard Bible)

36do you say of Him, whom the Father (A)sanctified and (B)sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, '(C)I am the Son of God'?

John 10:36 (King James Version)

36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

John 10:36 (Contemporary English Version)

36So why do you accuse me of a terrible sin for saying that I am the Son of God? After all, it is the Father who prepared me for this work. He is also the one who sent me into the world.

John 10:36 (Worldwide English (New Testament))

36Nothing can change the words in the holy writings. It is written that God spoke to men and that he called them gods. So he called some men gods. Then why do you say I do not respect God when I say that I am the Son of God? I am the one God chose and sent into the world.

What version would you like? Care to change the parameters of your question again?

no offense taken, presscore. i don't capitalize 'cause i type with one hand, being on dialysis, my hands cramp. actually i'm not good at writing, i've never tried it before these last few months and i don't remember the lessons. i like criticism; i get to learn and it's attention.
your advice is well received.

" i am humble, wished I wasn't " No offense meant, amigo but to write correct English it's a rule you need to capitalize the subject which starts the sentence. So no matter how humble you are, you need to give in to ego and just do it. Also the tense of the verb you use is past tense, indicative mode when it should be present tense, subjunctive mode. The correct English is "weren't". I apologize if I sound like an anus. I really don't intend to be one. I'm simply trying to make a point. Humans are infinitesimal in all the cosmos, yes. But the cosmos is every bit as infinitesimal compared to the BEING who created it. It's not your physical magnitude that makes you important, it's your virtue. The object is to cultivate as many of the virtues that exist as possible, and to an ever more intensive degree, because the overall goal is to achieve perfection. There's a very important reason why, of all the creations of GOD, humans are considered universal beings. What I mean b universal beings is, there's a part of the human body that corresponds to every Constellation in the Zodiac belt located on the celestial equator. Those Constellations are so far away in space/time that it usually escapes our attention that each of their points of light are Galaxies, per se. So yes, we usually measure only a couple, few metres. But it's the essence of humanity that matters. As a Buddhist, I feel that you should appreciate your humility, not disparage it. It's one of those qualities, like the ability to practice pure reasoning, to love, to appreciate beauty, to live in harmony & practice Peace with others who are bona fide, to practice faith, hope, and charity that makes even the poorest soul Godlike. For in a world plagued with subhuman greed, selfishness, and cold blooded evil, the aforementioned virtues are what God admires in human souls. Despite the darkest hours that most of the best of us have anonymously faced, it's our trust in GOD that separates the champs from the chumps. Talk sparingly, and tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth all your life, and you will prevail and find heaven eventualy even if you have to die to do it. What more could you realisticly want ?
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humility is defined by knowledge of one's defects of character and short comings. we are self aware when we know where we are less than perfect.
i am a primate, just a barely conscious monkey. i look out at the infinite night sky and i am nothing to it's vastness, so i try to name it. if i can contain the universe in an equation then it isn't bigger than me anymore. that's a lie, of course but at least i don't have to think the unthinkable anymore.
we argue about that which we are unqualified to understand. science may one day find an answer to what existence is but until then we will chatter away, quoting other monkeys from long ago.
i am humble, wished i wasn't.

JESUS!

When dealing with a humble person they are not going to state who they are.

What? I can't say that Jesus was humble because he has to say it himself or else it's not true.

Tricky thing about humility...the moment you state you have it....BOOM it's gone.

You're playing a word game, not a fact game. It's amusing that you think you have facts. Even funnier is that you'll know exactly who I'm talking about without me even having to reply to you by name or under your comment.

And yet you pretend to play stupid with how you word things. You're like a book that uses the end as the beginning.

J_Jammer said:

"See, you're just a name caller. I drop facts. Cry in the corner so more and beg people to agree with your hurt feelings."

You don't just drop facts, you have abandoned them altogether! LOL!

J_Jammer said:

"You have not proved me wrong. Your accusation (as you changed your meaning subtly) was to state that Jesus is not God's son. You're wrong. You can't handle being wrong. And so you won't let this go. And your new question is liken to the following, "You can't show me a scripture and a verse that shows that Jesus says he's not God's son." As you indicate is possible via your question. And egotistical is proven by your "I know more than you" comment. So I was stating facts. Keep up. I don't know why this is so important to you and you can't even answer simple quotations. You like attacking more. And it's important to me because you're lying and that's not ok."

Yes, I did prove you wrong - all I said was that nowhere in the Bible does Jesus claim to be God's only begotten son, and that he taught that all humans are the sons and daughters of God. I asked you for chapter and verse in the Bible to back your claim that Jesus did say that he was God's only begotten son, which you were unable to do since he never made that claim. I am not lying, but you certainly are, since you completely twist my words - as anyone can see by reading the comments. I stated that I obviously know the Bible better than you since I proved you wrong. Get over it, JJ.

yea, jj is such a drag. megalomenia is so awkward, i always try to ignore the deranged, who hold up the corpse of jesus as a reference to themselves. i wish there were an off button for the unwanted on this site.

I am told that there is no point in 'debating' or 'arguing' with J. J. Hammer (spammer?) But isn't it the point of Current comment threads to afford a platform for reasonable or adult commentary and/or exchange of ideas to include respectful differing opinions?

J.J.'s posts do NOT meet that criterion. J.J.'s posts are clearly abusive in nature and aimed not at an argument (he never makes a valid one) but at those who dare oppose his extremist Weltanschauung!

I would wager current's numbers have declined as a result. J J is not just right wing, he is intolerant of anyone not sharing his twisted, wrong, and perverted world-view.

There is, indeed, no point in arguing with him. But there may be a point is urging others to IGNORE him.

There is a solution if Current will consider it.

If Current allowed the creation of 'communities', he could be rightfully marginalized as a result of the fact that he has made NO friends; he has NO allies, he is completely alienated because of his own crap!

Now --if he should show up on facebook, I can block him from posting on my wall and will not hesitate to do so.

Facebook has turned out to be a positive experience in which I communicate and have, in fact, established 'extra'-facebook connections with brilliant and influential real people, some of whom I had already known, people like Jim Hightower, Sibel Edmonds, Ed Schultz, Amy Goodman, Paul Krugman, David Corn et al.

I can carry on intelligent dialogue even with folk with whom I disagree. So --why should ANYONE subject themselves to verbal and meaningless abuse like J.J. Why should anyone desiring an intelligent debate of differing opinions subject themselves to J J's barrage of insults and ad hominems, perhaps, slanders and other nonsense. Certainly --that's NOT why I visit any web site. I don't need or deserve the abuse!

I would urge Current to change it's format such that communities of intelligent people can be created. I am CERTAIN that in numbers and in untiy, intelligence will win over blatant propaganda anytime.

The viability of a major site like Current is NOT worth a single malevolent idiot who has deliberately sought to subvert it! --Len Hart

tommic, you're absolutely correct. I love a good debate. But the REPETITIVE VERBAL ABUSE heaped upon anyone disagreeing with J.J. Hammer is getting OLD!

This thread --in which J.J. Hammer was exposed to be DEAD WRONG with regard to the biblical account of Jesus ---is merely typical. J.J Hammer has the mentality of a five year old who cannot admit that he was wrong. Dead wrong! Not even CLOSE to being right.

A mature individual, an adult, would simply admit being wrong, learn from the experience and move on.

Not J J.

J.J will simply increase the level of vitriol, lies, illogic, nonsense and other absolutely meaningless assertions that no one has proven or can prove.

J. J., perhaps more than anyone posting on CURRENT, is responsible for

1) lowering the intellectual level of debate to that of school yard morons!

2) subjecting other posters to his obvious, often overt hate, disdain and irrational responses to verifiable facts. Clue: THERE IS NO POINT IN ARGUING OVER A PROVABLE AND/OR VERIFIED FACT. That's the first rule learned by any Jr high or high school debater.

3) his refusal to learn, change or be enriched by the wealth of information that is often shared here.

4) his obvious refusal to get counseling or professional help.

Hitler, when it was clear that his Reich and his wrong, stupid, evil world view was collapsing, at least had the good sense to shoot himself.

But J J can be depended upon to TAKE A SHIT on this board and call it a 'post'.

j Jammer shines through as a bible thumper
there's no logic in the religion
accumulated short stories over centuries by people who didn't have answers

This HAD BEEN an intelligent discussion of the equation and a reasonable debate about its implications. All that has changed with the entrance of one J J Hammer, whose endless ABUSE, hate speech, fallacies, strawmen, non sequiturs, ad hominem attacks, drivel and mindless BLATHER makes the Current experience a frickin ORDEAL!

I rarely bother logging on to Current anymore.

Who needs this crap?

Is there NO PLACE on the internet where intelligent folk can disagree agreeably--or are we forever consigned to J J Hammers mindless blather and abuse?

Jesus is not egotistical like you. He does not give himself titles. The scriptures I provided proved you wrong Jesus is the son of God. You cannot logically deny that. And Jesus said he who sees me sees my father. For someone who hates Christians you think you know the bible well enough to argue for whatever reason you know it it surly is not to argue. You like to brag but apparently the reason you know so much is spmethimg you rather hide.

J_Jammer said:

“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” (Matthew 16:16) “only-begotten son” and “the firstborn of all creation.”—John 1:14; Colossians 1:15. Luke 1:35; - God's Son Matthew 3:16, 17 - My Son, approved John 1:34.
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None of these quotes are quotes of what Jesus said, they are what others said about Jesus. As I said, nowhere in the Bible does Jesus himself make the claim that he is God's only begotten son - he does refer to God as Father, but he also refers to God being the Father of all humans: "OUR Father who art in Heaven".

jubal, obviously you don't understand a right hemisphere Synaesthesis Code Thesaurus called the Bible do you! Get yourself a Gesenious and translate the word 'Isreal' from the Bible itself, because IT does mean's "Terror" and Is relative to the Conscience, you've got stuck in German-English translation's like everyone else!

If there is a God it is not some almighty purvayor of good or evil it is the cosmos itself. Science has also proven than every element on the periodic table is formed within a star, all elements are derived from hydrogen and helium which under the incredible pressure of the star in turn creates the heavier elements. Life was born on earth at the hydrothermal vents in the deep ocean which in turn developed into more complex organisims eventually fish and reptiles then mammals to apes to man. It was not some Adam and Eve moment.
A higher power does exists but it is not the vision religion created. If it was most people on earth are going to hell.

Call yourselves an Intelligent Enlightened society, when you havn't the neural capacity!

The Hebrew name 'Isreal' used in the Bible, mean's "Terror of one's Conscience", in Welsh-Gaelic, and if you havn't got a Conscience of you're own, then you're not a Human! The fact that you havn't got the neural capacity to read and understand a Thesaurus Book about Synasthesis and the Right Hemisphere of you're brain's, prove's you need psychological assesment; only dog's don't have a Human Conscience!

Here's a new theory for ya all ;)

The mere concept of God & religion is the greatest intellectual fraud in history !

Don't bother replying, you're far too unintelligent for me to bother giving you any fucking answer!

Revelation 22: "And the Spirit and the Bride saith...", mean's a Tomboy wearing a wedding dress with the Spirit, i;e, Jesus of Joy, and I bet that you lot think the Holy Grail is something you can auction off at Southerby's, because you have no concept of what a Cup full of Joy mean's!

Here's my Nativity - $, and here's Shakespeae: "I shall wrap a girdle ('Curious' from the Book of Abraham = $, the Egyptian Cadaseus), roundabout the Earth"; now ask you'reselves why you havn't got any right hemisphere Conscious Coherence to yourselves, or are you all Nazi C-Section birthed people that are NOT indiginous to Earth!

Lool, you lot prove you're got less than half you're brain's active, and if you had any neural activity in you're right hemisphre conscious coherent Bosse, then you'ed know what 2 Kings 18:18, Sennacherib = Dust, and Hezekiah = Retruns, has to do with the Earth's lay Line Grid, the Van Allen, and a Neutrino God Particle Soul, which you lot of inept neural dog's obviously don't have the intelligence to understand, neither does CERN, yet they're trying to make a fake God Particle like a Schitzo make's false statement's!

...god: the greatest word game ever played?

J_Jammer said:

"Jesus did speak of being the son...lots of times."

Please provide us with chapter and verse. Jesus did refer God as being his father, but he also taught that God is everybody's father.

Jesus did speak of being the son...lots of times.

This email discussion 'scientists' took part in reminds me of the "creationism museum" in South Dakota. No, it's not science, but it looks vaguely like science, and if someone's not paying attention or if it's something a person WANTS to believe, they could be fooled by it.

i think science may have the capacity to change people's opinions, or at least keep us thinking...buy organized religions, esp. catholics, christians dug into their beliefs years ago and refuse to progress.

It's so FAKE that it had to get over 100 comments. Geez, if people really cared about "important" things then the fireman video would have this many comments of congrats to the heroic deeds. But anger over God is far more important.

As for the equation....I'm sure there is something that is like that that can show God exists like the Fibbonacci number.

I don't need other people to believe in God. It's not like other people believing will make what I know is right more right or wrong.

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/12/the_god_equation.php

Debunked.

Humans are mutated chimps that talk to themselves in the mirror.

Pity human's can't be perfectly ordered like Nature, which is God!

To me, God is an anthropomorphication of the idea that there is a consistency and intention behind the creation, existence, destruction cycle. My problem with atheists is when they claim the ability to explain things that no one understands. Vice versa with believers is those who will tell you how to make 'God' happy. Bottom line mystery exists it's here, it's queer, get used to it. I see this formula as a glimpse of Universal Intelligence which is the basis of Chiropractic Philosophy.

Agrees with law of fives.

I can see this being on every T-Shirt worn be the Christian right in 2 months

it won't change anything! even if there was some equation to prove there is or isn't a GOD, one will always be able to accept or deny it. Weather scientific proof or spiritual proof, there will always be skeptics.

Forgive, I just got to plug this again: Quote from Daily Galaxy science reporting, concerning observed masses at the centers of galaxies: "these are vital evidence of the evolutionary processes which led to everything we see today. (Though for fairness we should point out the rival suggestion of an Intelligently Designed galaxy, where over two hundred billion gigantic fusion reactors were carefully constructed as extraordinarily elaborate background for a single planet.)"

I dont need an equation.

This article is realy misleading, if you read the rest of it you can tell its garbage.

and is everything

oh, now I get it...

And when you plug in 42... you still get the same result back.

OF COURSE there is a God equation. You can make up an equation for anything. Does that make it true? Only if you want it to be.

>"As the possibility of the Earth having the exact required characteristics to fit the equation by chance is remote, and the equation has, in theory, been in existence since the beginning of the Universe, this means that the Earth's orbit, rotation and weight must have been engineered to fit this equation. """I am a scientist and as such I didn't at first really believe it myself. But physics is physics, and maths is maths, and you can't argue with it.""<

Must be a "scientist" who doesn't work with mathematicians very much. Mathematicians don't do math they design math. 80% of what mathematicians DO is argue about the validity of various maths. This very statement shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the discipline. News people: The closest you can get to a degree in "science" is science education. you can get a degree in a science specialty, but not in general. If this guy said 'as a mathematician' or 'as a physicist' it would be one thing but he is not stating his specialty which implies that it is not applicable to the problem if it even exists at all.

This all smells a bit fraudulent to me.