Michael Moore on Bill Maher

great discussion, great ideas in this thread, our next plan should be to figure out how to tap into mainstream america or as many open minded people as possible to increase this movement of consciousness....before its too late...THE WALLS ARE CLOSING IN!!!!!!!

Michael Moore makes a lot of good points but how come he's always speaking of republicans in a stereotypical matter? If you get a chance watch Ron Pauls interview on Capitalism: A love story a whatever its called.

Michael Moore is a good guy. He's right about voicing our opinion. What's stopping me from writing a letter to my congressmen? That's all he's asking.

great interview!

Interest rates should be capped at 10% on credit cards and 6% on mortgages. This would be real reform. No more pay day lenders, no more car title loans, no more usury fees attached to credit cards. Limit bank profits. That is what needs to happen.

America, where you get rewarded to commit white collar crime.

I thought, well - put a web site together and get people like Bill Maher and Michael Moore and maybe Ron Paul - and anyone else who does not want this theft to go on, get their ideas and entreat their membership, as lurkers if nothing else.

Put together the necessary declaration. See to growing an organization. This is where the move-on, the tea party, the greens and the blues - and the reds can come together.

I have suggested in the past that we need what I called a "Constitutional Patch" that would re-stitch the Constitution to prevent what has happened.

We have to realize that this stuff has been going on since the very beginning.

We had slavery in the midst of our revolution for a country providing "freedom for all." Yet we had slavery.
We have also had the money-boys in there - and the political hacks in there working for them the whole history of our country.

As slavery was a poison that eventually had to be removed, - the financial abuse has been an abuse of our life-blood. The power -and financial power- of our country, as great as it is, has been weakened by parasites it's whole history.

Like natural resources, there comes a time when the rape of our wealth must accrue disastrous effects on the basic existence of our nation itself.

We have to address this gaping abscess. We have to fix ourselves and bind ourselves up.
I'm ready to engage and to lend whatever abilities I have to such process.

Everyone!! Why are you voting the same corrupt people back into congress? If you've learned the importance of replacing members of congress, then please pass that along to as many people as possible.

I'd like to see revolution - that's what a lot of people thought they were doing in a 'regular sort of way' with Obama.

But he wanted to be a president in a regular sort of way.

Our government has been taken over by groups that do not govern and are raping our country. Rape is the appropriate word.

We have been raped - and our abuser is on us.

How can we throw this off? Who will come together - and create a plan? A plan of action? A way-path to go forward?

We want to return our country into the hands of the people and our Constitution and end the corruption by the few.

Who will come together?

The capitalistic democracy envisioned by the forefathers is nothing at all like what we have now. In the 1700's a family could wake up to chop wood and tend to the crops in the fields. If they were industrious they could be done by afternoon to work on crafts that could be traded in town. It was this reward for ambitions that made it such a perfect system.

Today, we attempt to apply this agrarian tradition to our urban and modern rural society and it doesn't work. There is no forest from which to chop wood, and no farms for us to tend. The forest was protected by government and/or given away. There are no farms to tend. Agribusiness has been automated and has driven the farmer from his land.

Corporate politicians look down their noses at workers and question whether they have a right to work at all. When the economy fails (as planned) they demand bail outs from the middle-class. Workers have to compete in a global economy in which the competition has no labor standards, no safety standards, no environmental standards, and subsistence pay. It is a pure denigration to the idea of capitalistic democracy yet we still call it that.

Instead of capitalistic democracy it is a paranoic pornocracy where people are rewarded for investments, inheritance, image, giftedness, brazenness, craziness, and hypocritic integrity aimed at benefiting the self-regulating thieves already in power.

I see no stepping out of this situtation. The system is designed to prevent stepping. Socialism, at best, is a bridge to something else. Anarchy is yet more problematic. I see no other bridges. We need a forum of ideas to move us from where we are to something better. In the future I see a renewal of the separation of secular government and private industry, and more importantly the establishment of a separate representative moral authority to handle health care issues funded by donations and matching funds from government.

It was a great episode

Just remember one thing: THIS IS NOT CAPITALISM. Capitalism rewards success and punishes failure. The fact is that these Wall Street crooks would be out panhandling but for a government that bailed them out. But of course, folks like Michael Moore continue to believe that a corrupt government is going to somehow reform a corrupt financial system.

Hey it's the flabtastic Mikey....champion hypocrite and whore. Well at least he's more entertaining than Chumpsky, and his populist bullshit and propaganda is packaged comfortably for the short attention span intellectually challenged drongos to consume. In the meantime, he can take a flying fuck all the way back to his 3 million dollar apartment in Manhattan.

Moore is correct in his observation that people are not simply too stupid to act in their best interest, but actually dis-empowered to act on their good judgment by those with agendas of control. This idea that "THE MASSES ARE STUPID" is partly true, but it mostly serves as convenient propaganda for those who seek to justify their power. It's much easier to ignore the cries of the people when you dismiss them as rubes. Yeah, and who wants to keep them stupid rubes, I wonder? The biggest selling point of any power-hungry liar is that the masses are stupid and dangerous, so make me in charge and I'll keep them in line. Well I, for one, would take the masses over those thugs any day.

The Haiti - Chile quake comparison was unfair. The Earthquake in Haiti took place underneath a population center while the quake in Chile took place in the middle on nowhere.

Thank you Michael Moore. I'm so glad Bill is back to work, I missed "Real Time."