Time Traveler Captured In Museum Photograph?
source: http://gizmodo.com/5519660/time-traveler-captured-in-museum-photograph
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Those funky sunglasses? That stamped t-shirt and hippie shawl? The doofy, disinterested expression? He sure as hell doesn't look like any Roosevelt-era bro I have ever seen. Maybe that's just it—he looks like a "bro," which we all know didn't come into existence until the 1970s, at the earliest.
Forgetomori has an extensive analysis of the photo and the mystery man, and, with some help from members of ATS, points out that no single item of his wardrobe is technically out of period.
But his entire essence, especially in contrast to the sea of fedoras and 1940s enthusiasm around him, screams that he's from another era entirely. Sorry, time travel bro, you've been spotted.
http://gizmodo.com/5519660/time-traveler-captured-in-museum-photograph
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Justin_Denison
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this is a bad fake the guy behind him is the one holding the camera and the way the shade on his face is at a differnt angle than any other person in the picture
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lionessgrrl
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this was fun
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lionessgrrl
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joshuaheller
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I found a sixteenth century hipster time traveler http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshuaheller/3102700000/
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joshuaheller
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desertcat
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Its a trick put there by God. Just like when they find bones of dinosaurs and people older than 6,000 years. God knows that those who believe in evolution will try any trick in the book to get good honest people to double Creationism, so he devised this plan of planting fakes. Hurricanes, tidal waves, earthquakes, famine, wars he has no time for, planting fakes he does. If you listened to Mooseburger Palen more you would understand how it all works.
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desertcat
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JuliusBC
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desertcat:
"Check"
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JuliusBC
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desertcat
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desertcat:
meant DOUBT not DOUBLE
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desertcat
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Cubejam
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desertcat:
I hope that was a joke....
- It's photoshop. Nothing more.
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Cubejam
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JuliusBC
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desertcat:
She was Thomas Muthee trained; but let's not forget Minister Pat Robertson. Both could teach us all a thing or two about such stuff.
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Cubejam:
Who knows for sure? The Creationists are teaching the trick body remains, another group is changing the bible to eliminate the Beatitudes, turn the other cheek, lepers and poor are out.// If you really want to read how far a organization will go to cover up research the history of George the Dragon slayer. I believe it was Justin Martyr who wrote the truth but that is only where the story begins. You now have 1600 years of cover up by the Vatican. History is filled with deceits. Check out Cervantes, Man of LaManche. why would someone write a book against the going on of the church during the Inquisition? Makes no sense at all. Yes, he was called before the Inquisition and after his trial his book only had to remove one sentence. His book was filled with statements others were burnt at the stake for and tortured. Makes you wonder how he did it. Not if you knew the head honcho for the Vatican was also his friend and benefactor. Take on St. George and the cover up, enjoy life.
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JuliusBC:
thats because while the majority of the world was screaming about commies in your closet, commies in your schools these men were studying how they came and remained in power. Propaganda is mightier than the sword.
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desertcat:
moron
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desertcat
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Follow_me:
Did you call me a moron? Is that nice talk? You don't know me from Adam and is this the way your Mother brought you up. Shame on you.
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EdJoyProductions
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Looks like an early Beatnik to me.
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Manatee_man
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Does someone know what kind of sweatshirt he has? I really want it
and my question is this: Where did he park the Delorean?
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Manatee_man:
It was moved from the 1940's set to Hanna Barbera's. It's just next door.
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directorgal:
...oh lordy...
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a_roxanne
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Also that man in the bottom right hand corner looks really creepy...I'm just saying :)
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a_roxanne
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a_roxanne:
Beano hadn't been discovered yet. He's just reeling from the blonde haired lady's efforts that is standing in front of him. Thats all.
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a_roxanne
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Are they just now finding this? Why didn't they discover this like a while ago?
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a_roxanne
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Argon18
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0460627/
Well if people REALLY wanted to solve the mystery, they could treat it an episode of Bones. Since Temperance Brennan was very qualified to find the source of the truth. Maybe it will be someday since it would be a good subject for one.
Since there was no way that an online version could have existed in 1940, it had to be a copy. So they would first check to be certain that the image online matched the original in the museum.
If the guy suspected of time travel was different in the online version then Angela would check it for evidence of being altered and just a hoax on the net.
If they did match then Hodgins could check the chemical traces to make certain that it was indentical with those used in other photos from 1940 and prove that the picture was taken then and that person wasn't added into the photo later.
If the photo was verified as authentic then Booth could investigate who else was in the image at the time and interview them to find out what they remembered about the person they suspected of time traveling.
Booth could also check all the records of the period for any traces of his presence to find out if he had any history like birth, school, job, relatives, marriage, children or death.
If nobody remembered him and that produced no leads then they would be left with Sweets trying to do the interpretations of his clothes and what he had in his hands which might not produce anything definitive.
They might have to come up with some other kinds of plots twists in the episode if they suspected the guy in the photo of killing someone but it would be cool to see what they did with the premise.
So it really depends on the depth at which you look it and how many perspectives you are willing to look at whether or not the interpretation could be imposed on the photo and not anything that could be shown to be out of the ordinary.
http://integrallife.com/node/67105
That is also one of the things proposed by Integral Art that several different kinds of perspectives are needed to judge an artwork from what materials the art is composed of, what the artist intentions were in creating it and what they were trying to communicate with it. The conventions in society in what forms the art is folowing and what the audience reactions are to it.
http://in.integralinstitute.org/holons/KenWilber-IntegralArtandLiteraryTheory.pd...
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Argon18
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DEM46
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Looks photoshopped to me.
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benjaminV
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for real, this is odd and captivating. nice find.
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jonathanpeace
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don't you think if he were a time traveler that by now he would have traveled back in time and told himself to get out of the way of the photographer?
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jonathanpeace:
Or if, being smart enough to be ABLE to time travel (which I do not think is possible), he would also be smart enough to blend in? To buy into this idea is the most absurd for of Lemming behavior.
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hammywill:
Maybe it is God and he was just doing a cameo.
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AARP
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It's the 12th Doctor! Move over Matt Smith.
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AARP:
hahahahahaha good call
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Mystery solved! I confess, it was me. The M stands for Michigan State University. I stole the camera from a pawn shop just before I jumped in time. I was in a hurry so I didn't have time to set the time or place. Sorry.
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eden49
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JuliusBC:
...rick springfield...hot...
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cons_Objector
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why is everyone pissed this is in the news section. Damn lighten the hell up
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iloveflynn
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OMFG IT'S A TIME-TRAVELING HIPSTER
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iloveflynn:
My thought exactly!!
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eden49
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...bottom middle...anorexic finger...so there!!!!!!!!!!!!
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hammywill
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How is this in the News section? Are you serious with this?
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onemalefla:
Neither one of which are news.
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UtopianSky
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It's Indrid Cold!
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keithponder
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He stands out only because he's the only young person in the photo., and his sunglasses and haircut his are old fashion . I see nothing modern about this photo at all.
Check again and see for yourself.
A lot of noise about nothing. Vote this down in a hurry.
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eden49
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keithponder:
...I count four more...but then I've had more interest in this than all the other codswallop floatin' around...I up you PJ...
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eden49:
l see 2 more, but he's the only one that really stands out.
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keithponder:
...yey, he sure does, I'm mezmerised by it...Eden...
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diabolical44
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I'm sure stoners existed in the 40's too. Weed wasn't invented in 1965 ya know.
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joshuaheller
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If you click through a few more links, you'll notice an extensive commentary by Forgeto Mori that shows this man's garb could have existed in the 1940s.
They show a picture from that same exhibit of similar sunglasses. They show that the t-shirt is probably a sweater. And that the camera was a Kodak folding pocket model.
http://forgetomori.com/2010/fortean/time-traveler-caught-in-museum-photo/
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joshuaheller
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ozoneocean
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If you look at enough old pics you see this sort of thing all the time. It just comes down to the viewer having incorrect expectations and being a little ignorant.
The detailed photoshop commentary is a huge laugh. I work with that for a living every day and none of those things mentioned are obvious "tell-tales" in this pic at all. - 2 years ago
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Ajil
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Mr. Time Traveler needs to come to the present and show me where I can find shades like his.
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directorgal
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I love that we WANT to believe in time travel. (I just finished doing the sound work on Hot Tub Time Machine so it's still fresh in my mind) And what is it about time travel we gravitate to? I think it's the chance to go back and change things, change ourselves, not to make the same choices or same mistakes - to influence our future in a different way - to learn from whatever path we didn't take - what would happen if we took the left turn instead of the right? Whether this is a fake or not, it gives us a chance to project ourselves into that big question. What would we change if we could?
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onemalefla:
LOL, I'm just kidding?
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JuliusBC:
...Jnr Mac...
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onemalefla:
This is actually much worse!
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onemalefla:
I'll change it before my cat and yours gets green runny shit.
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JuliusBC:
oiiiii, that was my line, Mr J...lol...but she's betterer, it's brown now, and solid...xo
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eden49:
Pure plagiarism! :-)
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onemalefla:
Only the Wicked Witch knows for sure . . .
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onemalefla:
If it was an experiment, then it was a fairly productive one with the lesson on the many dimensions and perspectives of Integral Art.
Plus, it inspired a great script idea for an episode of Bones that I should probably flesh out and send to them
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What does the M on his shirt stand for has to be a logo for something? his sweater looks like a hoodie but it's not
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Nice try pjacobs51.
Too bad this image is a fake..........I redlined the mistakes!
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navider:
You're good.
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navider:
Funny how everyone else that has commented here can make the same mistaken assumptions that gizmodo and Forgetomori did.
And you know what happens when you assume?
How do you know that is the same image that is in the museum? Just because they put it online doesn't mean that it was scanned from the original
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Argon18:
I don't know what is in the Canadian museum...........I'm only responding to the image in this post.
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navider:
The trouble with that is it doesn't prove that focus of the article which was the time traveler is fake, the most it proves is that the image online is.
As was pointed out that not everything is digital especially not in 1940 so the way to prove anything about the actual time traveler is to compare the original image to verify if it is authentic.
That was suggested 11 hours ago if anyone bothered to read all the comments before getting distracted by just the image posted
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navider:
but i want it to be trueeeeeeeeeee
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navider:
You have no idea.
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drewanium
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take this out of the News group.
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...bottom right looks like Freddy...sorta...kinda...
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eden49:
Indeed.
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eden49:
Freddy . . . with no eyes!
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actually those glasses are for people with light sensitivity, and he's just urbanly unkempt compared to the other bystandards.
Pot was around in the '40s too ya know.
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i'm certain it's not photoshopped. and as someone with extensive knowledge of 20th century garments and "accessories", I can with near certainly state that nothing that dude is wearing is out of era... the glasses, both sweaters and the camera (from what is visible anyway) he's holding all say 1940's to me...
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he's just a pot head.
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ozoneocean
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Photoshop?
But, as is stated, what he's wearing is not actually out of period. Especially telling is that his hair style is EXACTLY in period.
The "sea of fedoras" remark is poetic but wrong. There are only a couple in view, some homburgs, ladies hats, ladies without hats and men without hats.
I'm sorry, but fashion from any period never conforms to a strict type. You'll have to look for smarter clues than this if you want to find a "time traveller". You know, like actual physics. - 2 years ago
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Yeah, there's too many botched alignments (note the hat of the gentleman immediately behind the subject: it looks like it's been moved without care for making it look realistic).
Furthermore, look at the subjects, esp. the guy in the far left of the pix leaning against the car: the guy next to him appears far too small (and looks like a young Henry Fonda).
So all in all, I'm calling a fakey-fakey, modern-day photoshop trickery. Give it some time, and somehow Palin will be dragged into this mess...
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Davidod:
nah, look a little harder at the shadows and you'll see that there's no trickery.
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I would accept any theory that does not include time travel. I'm not ruling it out as plausible but come on! A civilization capable of breaking our known laws of physics has opted to send a hipster to our miserable plane of existence? Ok, but when they send him to 1940's Canada...I have some questions! Sorry, Canada. I still love you and your trees!
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Kurta:
actually time travel (both forwards AND backwards) doesn't break any laws of physics...
http://science.howstuffworks.com/time-travel5.htm
http://www.howstuffworks.com/time-travel.htm
scroll down for a video interview with Michio Kaku, arguably our era's most renowned physicist.
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likeamazing:
Fine, dammit. You caught me sleeping on the job! Dr. Kaku is awesome by the way. Have you ever read "Parallel Worlds"? Great book even though I obviously can't apply anything I've learned from it...
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Just a beatnick ahead of his time. Groovy man
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None of which explains how the Wicked Witch of the West got into the upper right side of the picture, too.
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JuliusBC
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This does not debunk the existence of time travel even though it didn't prove it but hey, look at the time. My, my, my, where did the time go? It just flew by and I have got to leave! Later.
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I do a little Photoshopping and if you look on the back portion of his neck it seems to be the only neck that is defined. The shadows on his face and bright areas look different than the others. The camera does seem to look as if there is a glass screen on the back, but there is a large knob on it the top left, so it could be a real time piece. I think his digitized look is slightly different than the others around him, he is a little crisper. He doesn't fit in at all though. I see this as an excellent segue into a sci-fi movie.
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I am leaning towards photo shop on this one. Look at the absolutely vertical line that runs down through his ear and along his neck. This kids face was added over top of the original persons.
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JuliusBC:
With further analysis, the red lines indicate where the photo incisions were made. If you look close you will see that the hair color is darker just in front of the arrows. Go to the original link and copy the picture, enlarge it and it becomes quite apparent.
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JuliusBC:
Yeah, the 5 o'clock shadow looks fake, and the temple of the sunglasses looks drawn in, esp. as it tapers around the ears. The bright spot above the cheekbone looks a bit TOO bright, maybe explainable had he been near a light source.
Shadows are all wrong, too, esp. under the neck.
Also, look at the hat of the guy behind him: is that a double-decker brimmed misaligned hat?
Fakey-fakey, I sayey, sayey.
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the sunglasses are an old style.
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UtopianSky
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Isn't it interesting that this picture comes out right when the new season of Doctor Who is starting? Maybe he's a new companion!
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UtopianSky:
The flaw in that theory is that is a case of "bad timing" because the image has been in the museum since 2004 and online since last Febuary so the scheduling isn't right
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Argon18:
Ah, but we are talking about time travel here!
They could have traveled to 2004 to plant the picture! - 2 years ago
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UtopianSky:
It looks like somebody did at least travel to put the picture there. I don't know how much time it took them to travel though.
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FYI - Hung over hipsters are eternal
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unimatrix0:
Don't you just hate it when you wake up after a GOOD night of partying and it's 1940 something, your cell phone doesn't work, no tee-vee, no Eggos, and the clothes you're wearing are totally out of place? Then you wonder . . . WTF did I do last night?
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pjacobs51:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x8T3hN5WHw
Then you remember the advice you got to stay out of Hot Tub Time Machines and shout "OMFG! Why did I have to eat the worm?""
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pjacobs51:
YES! I do hate it when that happens!
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Davidod
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I suspect he's a researcher from the future, investigating the earliest reports of flash mobs.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd7yqc7qDk4
Maybe he was checking out a historical inventor that was an ancestor like in Kate & Leopold?
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Argon18:
Or, he was looking for 1.21 Gigawatts!!!
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pjacobs51:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHd4_yocMw4
He could've been buying some stock in Edison Sault Electric Company to bring back to his partner like in The Time Traveler's Wife
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