Ghosts, do they actually exist?

now that my heart rhythm has returned to normal...

i have seen a ghost with my own eyes, and so did the person i was with. neither of us mentioned it until we were out of the house and back to "safety". although not all ghostly encounters are actual human spirits. some are impressions left in time like an old recording.

i'd say "i ain't afraid of no ghost" but i already screamed and blew that cover.

why does that kesha song come to mind...stop t-t-talkin that blah blah blah...

That's the trouble with such things. Neither side of this discussion had a ghost of a chance in proving anything. Skepticism is a human function that thrives and does extremely well. The most classical example of this would be religion. Most people are indoctrinated with it from birth, thus they believe whatever line or form of religion they have been given (fact or fiction). This is evident all over the world. Currently, the Muslims and Christians and the conflicts between is a perfect example. Their beliefs are highly based on the geographical location of where they were born and yet many are willing to die for their beliefs.

On the other hand, ghosts, spirits, aliens, UFO's, and things that go bump in the night are things that require indoctrination or experience to believe in as well. They are much like religion, you either believe what someone tells you or you don't. In either case, if you haven't been indoctrinated from birth, then you are left to either default to yea or nay or rely on your own experience. Some people have experiences and some people don't. This can become frustrating for both sides as one has experienced evidence and can't prove it and the other one has had no experience and holds that as evidence. This puts them on equal ground as far as opinions go. They usually meet with equal fervor incapable of shifting their positions as evidenced here on this post.

Skepticism is the nemesis of curiosity and allied with the choke holds of tradition but in contrast, curiosity is allied with growth and discovery.

Good luck!

I would add that people tend to be able to find evidence of what they believe even if they have to imagine it. The mind is subject to the WILL.

The word discussion is the main point of this all. Right or wrong, an open mind to others views is what is needed. I can not say that another's opinion is wrong, just different from my own. If religion had this view, all religion, then this world would be a better place. I believe that religion will be the downfall of humankind.
It was said back in this forum,We are here for such a fraction of time it is best to utilize it for constructive means rather than pleasant distraction.(Thank you RENGACORP ). I like the pleasant distractions, an eight years old view of the world but a view I would not give up for anything. My views are my own and I would not thrust them upon anyone, not if it meant hurting them.
Keep dreaming I say, life would be happier.
Now I am off to one of those distractions, a little one I call my son.

Kind of like the witch hunts back not so long ago.

Great comment and have fun with your son...
Peace

...party pooper...love your avatar...lol...is that really you...

Don't worry, even after reading my post most people will decide that I am wrong and continue believing in their fantasies. And yes that is really me.

Where's the ring?

...I can't decipher anything from that shot...and I can't get up close...can you give me a close-up...I love things like this...lol...spooky...

...yep...I see four ethereal figures...two on the left, women, and two bottom right, a couple of old men playing a board game...above the women's heads is interesting...

...is that a side view of the balcony...can't decipher, but maybe someone in background with a candle...my imagination runs rampant...

All in all, I am counting 13 figures between all of the shots. They all seem to be looking towards the photographer. This would tend to indicate that they are all aware of his presence and not necessarily posing but observing.

In the last picture, look to the bottom right hand corner. What I see is a short figure that is crossing their left arm across their body and holding their right shoulder. Further to the left of the picture and about half way up there appears to be three figures. The one on the left almost looks like a horse's head, the middle one looks like a wolf except it is vertical like a bear and just next to it on the right looks more of a human form. What do you see? Look at the fourth picture up from the bottom and the definition seems a bit more clear but smaller.

Try something else while you are looking at each picture. Look at them from different distances and determine the distance that gives you the best definition. It varies a bit from picture to picture. Try it with the lights on and off and see if that helps your eyes to make it more clear.

I don't see the candle you speak of but the second photo from the bottom photo is on the outside corner, second floor of the hotel. The bottom picture is just below it also on the outside corner of the hotel. The fifth picture up from the bottom is between the third and fourth columns second floor.

True on all accounts

Oh you're not going to go into details huh? So you could give us the details but you are just deciding not to for the sake of brevity? Oh, thanks for not going into detail and keeping from us all what would without a doubt be one of the most important discoveries of all time. If only we all knew what you claim to know. Quick question....Do ghosts believe in humans?

Please, there is no such thing as a ghost.

haha me too.

There more things in heaven and earth than dreamt of in your mind. Even science reenforces the fact that energy never dies that it only changes form.
Besides do you know how loud an ant needs to scream so a whale could hear it.

Trees do have a lot to say, I can see how that can be confusing. Rocks on the other hand can be annoyingly tight lipped.

1. Telepathy does not require verbal interaction. So that ant needn't worry about projecting his/her voice.
2. Just because a butterfly lands on your head, or a bird decides to fly in your house, or a glass breaks all by itself, or 'strange mist' is captured on video tape, does not equate to anything more than an event propelled by nothing more than probability. We are here for such a fraction of time it is best to utilize it for constructive means rather than pleasant distraction. Remain fancy free at all costs. And now, on with the countdown....

1.) Relying on the fact that all things communicate in a universal language is one, never proven and B.) Radio waves through water always sound like the Dunkin Donuts drive-thru, or the teacher from Charlie Brown. So I can only imagine what brainwaves sound like.
2.) Probability and coincidence are are all factors in any investigation but facts are what count. As for what is constructive and what is a pleasant distraction I believe that is for oneself to determine.

Now see that depends on the rock. Some are mouthy little creeps.

You apparently never had a pet rock

What I find to be totally fasinating is that whales can communicate over three thousand miles while at a certain level in the ocean. They sing their songs and it travels through the water. At certain depths the temperature is such that it assists in this process.

Very true if you know the language. Still most of us can't hear them, oooor Maybe we are not listening.

I can see a potential movie here. It would be called "Men who stare at ROCKS."

Sorry, initially I was doing it on my Iphone and I didn't proof read my comment. It is now corrected.

I agree. One time I was hit in the head with one of those kind. I cursed it and It made my head ring for quite some time. I think it was mouthing off at me by way of telepathy. The little creep

I loved the end of the movie when they left flying the helicopter, high on LSD, and were never heard from again. I don't really believe in ghosts, but ghost stories still scare me. I do however believe in random energy spots.

INSERT WINGS OF DESIRE QUOTE HERE: When the child was a child, it was the time of these questions. Why am I me, and why not you? Why am I here, and why not there? When did time begin, and where does space end? Isn't life under the sun just a dream? Isn't what I see, hear, and smell just the mirage of a world before the world? Does evil actually exist, and are there people who are really evil? How can it be that I, who am I, wasn't before I was, and that sometime I, the one I am, no longer will be the one I am?

I was able to 'make' my cat rollover just by looking a certain way at her. It all started with Crocodile Dundee in the eighties, when he made that Outback Buffalo turn over... Paul Hogan was in fact later recruited by the C.I.A. to do the same thing to terrorists.

I believe in those spots as well. My interpretation of them is a portal or vortex into a different dimension. Few are permanent but most others fluctuate. This is due to different energys that are present from time to time. Seismic, lightning, thermal and such. Any place where something horrific has happened, there is an energy hot spot implanted in that location. Some last for a long time and others not so much. If you ever deal with it much it tends to open your mind a bit. No chemicals needed.

I enjoy having an opened mind. The Energy spots may be time viewing portholes. Horrific acts, by nature, control history and the future.

...nooooooooooooooo, treewolf, nooooooooooooooooo...

If reincarnation really does exist, then it would stand to reason that good and bad spirits or people are subject to it. Some would default to the belief that only the good would be allowed to come back if reincarnation actually does exist.

My theory on this is when a person is born, their spirit or soul previously left with certain characteristics or tendencies and upon returning it possesses the same. The time, place, and surroundings are different so the outcome may be impacted through these changes. Generally, the individual will be inclined to pursue the goodness or badness of it's spirit or soul.

This explains why a good person can come from a horrible environment or surroundings and an evil or malevolent person can come from a wonderful family or surroundings with no logical explanation. It makes perfect sense logically. Most religions teach contrary to this but my experiences have seemed to support it.

Some spirits, souls or ghosts are either trapped in some period of time or they choose to stay for one reason or another. Some choose to stay due to fear of what lies ahead. This is usually based on their religious beliefs and what they have done with their life. Others choose to stay due to an attachment to something they can't bear to loose or depart from such as a loved one or a possession they desire to keep. In other cases, some don't know they are dead for quite some time after they are actually dead. Their death was so sudden and without warning that they become trapped until something jars them loose sufficiently to discover the truth.

No what? Am I off the reservation?

Green runny poo can leave an energy spot as well. LOL

In days past, I hope I didn't offend with one of my earlier posts. If so, I sincerely apologize. The shoe thing was a "Jimmy Choo" via electronic delivery. It was meant to replace those that were lost.

Yeah I saw Poltergeist in 1982. And regard Ghostbusters as the ultimate comedy. "Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable! You are a poor scientist, Dr. Venkman!"
Winston Zeddemore: Hey Ray. Do you believe in God?
Dr Ray Stantz: Never met him.

...sockies is cool now...I'd probably love her to death...lol...beware the ides of sockies...

...I believe in angels, too...and faeries...(ET)...lol...

Makes it fun doesn't it.

Awh I'm so sorry :(

Thxs :-)

aw sweet kitty. how traumatizing for you that he died that way.

Open wound, never really heals, Thanks :-)

That happened to my mother in Ireland! She was touring a castle where there had been an epic siege and everyone died. She collapsed on the floor before they tour guide even mentioned what had happened. Some people are just more sensitive than others.

...google "Indigo Children"...you will find it interesting...cheers, Eden...

...bloody hell...yikes...

One wears a sheet and the other doesn't.

ROFLMAO
Thanks for watching...

spirits do is that the same as ghost?

For me yes, but it could be merely a case of semantics.