Europe poised to commit suicide, admit Turkey into EU

Eurarabia. . . Europe's attempt to appease Islams acolytes has failed, as have all who refuse to recognize it and deal with it as the demented theological cancer it is and to remove Islam and it's evil presence from their continent.

i hate what you post but i love how you post it.
are you a guy or a girl, cuz if your a guy, im totaly gay for your style.

A guy, and thanks for the heads up, I'll keep my back to the wall if you should be near. . . Aharrharhar.

Remove him and fire him, he's declared his alliance, he's as worthless as tits on a boar, get rid of this jihadi jackal

Gee, I wonder why...

You do realize most of Islamic scripture is about killing and slaughtering everyone that doesn't believe or objects to its doctrine right? At least, until everyone believes, or all non believers are dead, THEN it's all about peace.

Communism had SOME merit to it at least, though it totally fails, it didn't outline KILLING NONBELIEVERS. Kinda fucked up no?

Christianity and Judaism are guilty of the same kind of religious slaughter, but they were at least smart enough to lie about it till they had power to do so.

It's funny because any of the soldiers I've ever talked to deeply regret killing anyone. It becomes easier to kill once your buddies get hit, but it no less takes its toll.

They don't come back brainwashed, they come back dehumanized and feeling like trash because all they wanted to do was help Americans and were deceived. Not one I've talked to hate Arabs out-right, they just hate the fuckers that shot at them and blew up their friends, the majority of which, tend to be radicalized Muslims and Arabs.

Enjoy England, make sure you move into a community under sharia law and see how fun it is. The UK likes it up the bum from the UN, and love a disarmed populace, i can't imagine what could go wrong, it's not like history has anything to tell us about that.

Try Gaza....it's full of genocidal Jew haters, misogynists, homophobes and totalitarian Islamonazis. you'd love it.

We don't need to train them for that. They saw 9/11.

so the talk in reference to arabs is offensive, but to jews its acceptable?

i dont know about england, check with archdruid, he seems to be the antithesis of what you think england is.

it doesnt matter what words they use.the words themselves arent the source of dehumanization for them.theyre entire ,ilitary training is geared towards it, as it creates greater success for us if they see the enemy as less.wether its calling our enemies, charlie,vc,gook,ragheads,skinnies,hajis,kruats, thats just the tip of the psychological iceberg.

Or...Islamism is the Nazims of the 21st Century, and you are the equivalent of one of the people who cheered Nevile Chamberlain.

"How horrible, fantastic, incredible it is that we should be digging trenches and trying on gas-masks here because of a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing. It seems still more impossible that a quarrel which has already been settled in principle should be the subject of war." N. Chamberlain 27 September 1938

"This morning I had another talk with the German Chancellor, Herr Hitler, and here is the paper which bears his name upon it as well as mine.... We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement, as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again." Speech at Heston Airport (30 September 1938

Monsieur J'aime Berlin [Mr. I-love-Berlin]. French nickname for Chamberlain (punning on the sound of "Chamberlain" in French)

(Perhaps you are Monsieur J'aime Islam)

"This is a sad day for all of us, and to none is it sadder than to me. Everything that I have worked for, everything that I have believed in during my public life, has crashed into ruins. There is only one thing left for me to do: That is, to devote what strength and powers I have to forwarding the victory of the cause for which we have to sacrifice so much... I trust I may live to see the day when Hitlerism has been destroyed and a liberated Europe has been re-established."
Neville Chamberlain - 3rd September 1939
(Said once he finally realized that his pacifism and constant apologies for Hitler led to war)

For those of you with blinders on, apologists for the Islamist radicals who refuse to see the rising dangers, perhaps you are like Chamberlain, as described by Churchill, looking
“at foreign affairs through the wrong end of a municipal drainpipe”

Bullshit. Judaism has NEVER lead an expansionist war or war of conversion.

Good bye! Prepare to be assimilated.

you're the one who said you wanted to move away! hipocrite!

the bigger picture is that regardless of what communism was idealogicaly, is irrelavent as they never posed a threat to us, but we needed to create one in order to play the hero role.while the cold war was going on at its hieght, we had kgb operatives, defecting to the united states telling us they had nothing, it was all show.they couldnt maintain theyre nuclear facilities and they were falling apart, wich proved it.soviet power was a myth, that we made up.as a result of wich,we riegned terror over the world, and exploited the shit out of ourselves for the sake of the military industrial complex.
how many planes highjacked in the 80's versus how many deaths?
how many jihadis were coming over here and blowing buildings up?we have had like two incidents that mattered, yet some how they are threat number one to us?
the redneck klansmen have had more successfull attacks on us than any muslum group.

of course we should be all sorts of proactive in our defense.but we have to keep it as defense.
and if we are going to fight them it should be proportionate.as it is we are paying for the invasion of russia the military has been spending its money and effort gearing up for, to combat an enemy whos organization is more like a street gang than a military.its overkill and if they scare us enough, we pay for it.its like if the porn industry was spiking the water supply to make us horny, we pay them for the porn, and in turn they invest in ways to make it more effective, until we are all so sure that the porn industry is so important to our collective survival, we will let them do anything.
people who wipe thier ass's with thier hands, cant make it far enough into ciivilization to know about,or purchase toilet paper.they arent making it to here.

Inflated ego is my diagnosis.

America is the Imperial nation and it is doing its damdest to maintain its primacy. All the arguments from the opposition to Islam are coming from a realist perspective of "might makes right". Its power politics and its as old as the most ancient of civilizations.

I come from a more contructivist perspective where we need to understand the relationships of the people with their state and the ideas that they express in order to form rational foreign policy decisions that are not based on stereotypes and arrogant reactions.

What people in this country fail to recognize, time and time again, is that the power politics are what give rise to radical reactions.

i was going to let that one slide but what the hey.
each book torah,new tetament,or quran reflect the time peroids in wich they were written.the majority of the torah wasnt written in a time when (metalurgy)swords were far less prominant, making violence, and its nature far less extreme.shit i dont think swords existed by the end of genesis, but the new testament, and the quran dont get the benefit of this, as they were written in times of great conflict.christianity is entirely based from begining to end in a man who was persecuted from before he was born (by herod) and throughout his entire lif of only 33 years.33 years of oppression,persecution,zealotry,the begining of the modern concept of empires.the new testament reflects that in its tone, with a focus on hell unlike anyhing jews ever touched.the quran was written as the muslum invasion was happening.mohamed was preaching, but that wasnt when the quran was finished as the book, cuz his nephews are in it, wich creates the current sunni-shia holy war.its presentation represents the turbulance of the time it was written in, wich was a state of constant civil wars.
it would be the same for christianity if the new testament was written in europe, during the roman empire as thay were invading, with the romans being the christians.it would be written in a tone that is indicitive of what was happeing,war.

I didn't say I hated Arabs. That is a very racist thing to say. Race has nothing to do with it. Ideology is the problem. They hate us because of our ideas, not our race.

Who are you talking about when you say "they"? Islamic Radicals or Arabs in general?

You do realize that the Bible has all the same kind of BS, too? There are over 1 Billions Muslims world wide. You are going to let your attitude about Islam be informed by the 2% fringe that actually believes all that BS in the Koran and acts on it, while ignoring the other 98% that doesn't? Wow that is the epitome of rational thought.

Muslims, isn't that what we were talking about?

ive posed that stark fact in my own way, to no avail.
how can it be a religion of death if the OVERWEHLMING majority are just chillen where they are just trying to get through life just like us?

Whoomp! There it is!

they attacked us and it's out fault.

Liberal idiocy and confusion at its best. No matter what evil is committed by the Muslim extremists, these morons will ALWAYS figure out why it's our fault.

bin Ladin attacked the US because he abhored the presence of US troops and civilians in the arabian peninsula.
the US presence was there because the Saudis asked for our presence, to protect them from saddam hussein after he had invaded Kuwait.
Liberals will say that America made Hussein great, but the reason the US sided with Hussein was that the Iraqi government, while tyrannical, was secular, and opposed the radical Iranian revolutionary government.
Saddam Hussein was in power because he was a leader of the Baath party, which had been formed in conjunction with help from the Nazis back in the 1940s.

but somehow...it's all our fault.

from my research, the oldest parts of the torah date back 3313 years, at least.
In Mesopotamia, the Bronze Age begins at about 2900 BC
In Ancient Egypt, the Bronze Age begins in the Protodynastic period, c. 3150 BC

so there would have been bronze swords and weaponry during most of the years in which the torah was being developed, I think. not that it matters, just interesting.

but anyway, Judaism has never waged religious wars. I think you'd have to go back to when Moses brought the Jews back to Israel during the days of Pharoah and I believe there were conflicts then, but again, those were fights over land survival and not religion.

just out of curiosity...have you ever read the new testament?

as for the Quran, like the Torah, it was initially passed down through oral tradition and it was not written until after Muhammed's death. But the violence in the latter Qu'ran was directly tied to Muhammed's having acquired the loyalty of his mother's tribe, and the power that went with it, and his desire to expand Islam throughout Arabia. It was all that voilence in those surrahs that inspired the Muslims to believe they have to spread Islam by the sword around the world.

in other words, you want to find a fantasy land. there will always be imperilialist forces everywhere you go.

I recommend you go live in Venezuela for a while so you get a taste of socialist paradise.

the point was just that each writting, in its tone and narrative, show the periods in wich they were written, more than anything else.just like arabic addidtions to the talmud came from a very different perspective than lithuanian additions, as european antisemitism was the backdrop for them in away that it wasnt for the arab rabbis.

i honeslty cant say that i have read the new testament in its entirety, i have a rough time getting through it as i dont believe in jesus.the thing is though, if you arent faithfull to a particular brand of christianity, depending on whom you are talking to you havent either.each apostle has its own version of christianity, with different accounts, and meanings.pauline christianity, (and i think matthew aswell) are very hatefull towards the jews for not accepting christ as the messiah, and pushing christianity away.then you have other versions of the new testament, that are the opposite.so i dont even know wich version you are refering to, or any christian is ever refering to, cuz it could be as liberal as unitarianism or fundamentalist as the opus day guys.

interpratation is everything.the kkk preached that jesus said love your nieghbor as your brother, meant kill black people and jews.cuz your nieghbor is white, as it were.so if you are to love your kinsman, the opposite must also be divine.the torah says to stone those who do not observe the sabbath, yet despite that being clear, even the most ultra orthodox assholes dont do this, as it has been placed in its proper perspective, just as the nation of islam wasnt slaying jews and christians in the street.the wiegers (spelled wrong i know) arent in a state of conquest, but the opposite.was it the afganis who attacked the soviets, no.
for every example of muslum aggression, theyre exists multitudes of non violent counters under the same beliefs, of the same writtings.
is islam a fucked up religion, sure, but no more so than any other.

Oh that's why the USA supplied Hussein with chemical warfare to kill Kurds and Iranians, because Iraq was secular and Iran was fundamental. Huh, I thought it was because Iran nationalized their oil fields and kicked out British Petroleum and other western companies while Hussein welcomed BP with open arms.

Curtis you are completely wrong saying the Judaism never waged any religious wars...obviously you haven't read the old testament...there are literally dozens of wars ordered by Jehovah to destroy the gods and peoples of other nations.

Why don't you go back to Venezuela where your wife's is from? You are such a rude person and you don't hesitate to mock people who disagree with you.

bOObies.

No shit.

Right on Mrmxyzptlk...your good.

Now I am convinced, you are a genius.

that's just stupid, trut. the conflict between Iran and Iraq was far more complicated than that, and our involvement there was FAR more complicated than just "we gave them chemical warfare agents" to "kill Kurds and iranians".

the iranian regime was not some innocent bystander, any more than Iraq's regime was. the iranians were backed by the russians, and armed by them, and the Iraqis were concerned (just like how they are today, as are the Saudis and other Arab nations).

but one thing i'm sure of: they didn't give the Iraqi's WMD because "Iran nationalized their oil fields". Now that is just dumb.

the United States did not create the Saudi government, it didn't create the kingdom, the first Saudi governments was established in 1744. it's taken many forms over the centuries, but why would the US presume to decide that it should undermine a governmental system that was in place for around 250 years?

you ask why we "prop up" the government, but on any other day, were the united states to undermine any government, especially if it were a leftist govt, you'd be asking why we thought we had any right to undermine them. in other words, because it's a kingdom, and they request our help, you apparently think we should refuse. but what would that be replaced with? Wahabbi radicals?

the world is an imperfect place. at times you have allies you don't like but you need them, if there is no palatable alternative.

We never liked Hussein, but he provided a counterweight to the Iranians. There is an old Arab saying: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend..." It's true for the Arabs, and it's true for us.

then go. we'd be better off without you

now that's just stupid, jubal. my wife is from there, i'm not. I'm an American, and proud of it. I have no interest being anywhere near socialist scum in any nation.

besides, I am not the one who started the whole "I hate this place and wish I could leave" conversation. That was MrM...

well, you may be right. I was aware the Isrealites had fought wars but I had never been aware that they were "religious" wars, my impression from what I had read of the Bible as a kid was that they were primarily territorial disputes.

but let's say you are right, and the jews fought religious wars in the old testament...so that's what, 3000+ years ago?

can you really try to include the ancient Jews with the modern muslim extremists because of something that was happening during the days of the Pharoes?

that would be a bit like saying that Jubal is guilty of murder because he has an ancestor who 3000 years ago committed murder.

The Saudis were ruling the area LONG before the Brits re-wrote the map. BTW, let's not forget that before the Brits did that, most of it was controlled by the Turkish Ottoman Empire, which had sided with Germany during WWI. The Brits really redrew the map after WWI and for the most part, it doesn't seem to have been a bad idea. It appears that most of those states do better under local governance than they would have under Ottoman rule, with the main problem still being the Palestine/Israel dillemma. But even that we can't totally blame on the Brits since the UN supported the creation of Israel in 1948.

Regarding the Saudis, BECAUSE they also provide us with our energy, we can't let the Saudis be overthrown by the Arabian version of the Taliban (some sort of Wahabbi extremist group) or we'd end up in worse shape and with the House of Saud.

We weren't great friends of the Soviets during WWII, but they were convenient allies against Hitler. We didn't like the Chinese communists, but they were help against Hirohito. The Mexican government is SHIT, but should we help them, in the hope they improve, or abandon them, and let the drug lords and socialists led by Lopez Obrador take over?

We don't always have the luxury of letting the chips fall "as they may". That's just the way the world works. The Chinese and Russians and Venezuelans and Cubans are all trying to influence governments and get what they want, most of the time this would be disastrous for us. So we have to struggle to stabilize our allies and destabilize our enemies. It ain't pretty, but it's reality.

oh, i think that's a convenient excuse, but if you REALLY wanted to leave, you could do it.

I'm absolutely certain you could go live in Venezuela. But I'm also certain within a year or two you'd come back with a whole new appreciation of Americans and America.

OK< you're getting into ancient history that I'm only vaguely familiar with. I know there were many territorial wars, and the leaders ALWAYS invoked the name of God in any war (hell, back then they thought you could read God's will on the entrails of a goat, you couldn't take a shit without thinking there was a message from God), but what I mean by a "religious war" is a war whose explicit purpose is to either spread a religion or eliminate a religion.

If some hack politician says "we have to fight the taliban in response for their attack, and God is on our side", I don't think it's a religious war, it's just stupid comment made by a religious person. When Bush said "we're on a crusade", he didn't mean a religious war, he meant the vernacular concept of "a mission". Americans didn't go to Afghanistan to convert or exterminate Islam.

But for the sake of argument, even if I knew the details of everything the ancient Israelites were saying about those wars, weren't those wars occuring some 2000 to 3000 years ago?
Have the Jews EVER in the past 2 or 3000 years ever declared the equivalent of a Jihad to spread Judaism? NO.

We are all being sucked into a Holy War, even though most would not frame it that way. It is a conflict between JudeoChristian ideology and Islam. There will be massive casualties..the battle lines are being drawn and America is going to be at the crossroads of that conflict.

Ecuador is a far better place to relocate to than Venezuela. I know, I have been there and lived there.

Sadly, that you believe that Islam's purpose is benign indicates that you're greatly deceived and very uniformed.

No mrmxyzptlk, I think curtisreed will just rewrite history again to support his imperialist ideals.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck curtis. Nice try though. The Iranian government wanted the imperialists out and Britain and the USA were mad that they no longer had access to the oilfields, ergo start a war and supply the enemy of your enemy.
The USA supplied and directed the use of chemical weapons against civilians and soldiers. Try to re-write that history curtisreed.

It's very profitable if you're at the top. At least, I'm assuming so, that's how it works everywhere else.

now, don't go quoting history, buddy.

it's good info tho.

let's see...Ottoman turks sided with Germany in WWI and committed genocides...
Muslims across North Africa sided with Germany in WWII and from that we got the Muslim brotherhood, Baath party, PLO...
Muslim leaders still claim the holocaust never happened...and want to destroy the Jews and Israel...
Islamic terrorism is an ongoing and constant attack around the world...

and these people are telling us not to be alarmed...it's just another "Red Scare"...as if that should be reassuring.

Last I checked, the Communists killed 20 million in Russia, another 20 million in China, several million in Cambodia, millions more in Korea and Viet Nam...it seems like there was very good reason to fear and resist.

Doesn't it?

Yep. You could always try another site where not too many facts get in the way.

prothink.org it would make your head burst

although im idealogicaly opposed to crystalman, as i like islam just fine, there is a point to be made that as antisemetism is always based int he same accusations, aquiring information that counters the charges is just quite simply more efficient that trying to dignify every hatefull claim.
the jews own hollywood isnt really a different claim than they own the media, or even different than they control what you think.why dignify these notions when they are ludacris.just throw out the standard counterance, to the standard accusations.

are you ever going to read and learn, or insist on living life with your head up your bum?

oh i assure you, you know the answer

I've watched this film and while I'll admit it is well done,and as a result of centuries of persecution can understand the fortress mentality and paranoia of Jews and Israel and their passion for survival,I find it really hard to believe that Israel would go to this degree of infamy to further it's own foreign policy! The liberty attack was Israel there is no question about that but this.......... given Islams history,and the Koran and what it allows it's followers to do it just makes more sense that Islam did it but I'll also admit that many of the points made in this film are very interesting,and that the connections here,give one pause,but didn't Hitler say this same thing? That it's the Jews? It does smack of Islamic propaganda as well,and the "investigation" conducted here and then formed and strung together to create this film,could have been done to counter the hatred here,and fear of Islam,tactically they have to counter! Look years ago like 1971 I was dating this beautiful Jewish girl she and her family went to live in Israel,now she went believing in non-violence,within a year she had totally changed,join the army,and the last time I heard from here she said it made her feel good to see Israeli jets taking off... one can only assume what she saw that changed her but the Israelis,and their right to their own nation free from fear and the minute the Israel was granted independence the Muslim Brotherhood attacked with the intention of killing every man, woman, and child! I even understand,as I have stated,the Israeli mind set,but this ...well I have serious doubt and it may very well turn out to be a ploy by Islam, and its supporters, to obtain a strategic and tactical advantage!

i think you meant to post that to crystalman cuz i didnt post a video that related to what you are talking about.maybe its cuz im high but i have no idea what your talking about.
ow i have to go watch crystalmans vids to see, son of a bitch

Damn Maybe I hit the wrong place! If so sorry! I'll have to go back and check!

oooh, so fucking clever, to respond to an insult with a paraphrase of the same insult.

stupid is as stupid does

Except of course Christians won't cut your head off if you don't conform to their religion, but that's just a small difference I suppose.

No christians don`t cut your head off, they burn you on a stake.

Not anymore. Not in years. It was bad for business.

That was what, five hundred, a thousand, fifteen hundred years ago? I'm talking about modern day. Muslims hate you. Pretend they don't if you want, but I saw 9/11, I know they do, and I will never forget it.

right, and how old was the religion of christianity at that point?and how old is islam now?noticing a pattern.
plus ya got the kkk 50 years ago, and its genesis,while on the decrease is still felt today, when groups like god hates fags protest funerals, or when abortion doctors are killed, or mcviegh types do thier bit under the guise of jesus.
while they may be stuck in the 3rd grade christianity is in junior high.

you should brush up on your turkish history, it's moved away from the secular gvt

Just keep living in your dream world where Muslims only want peace and harmony and love you. That's what you're good at. If you haven't caught on by now, you probably won't anyway.

let me borrow from willie wonka and say:
scratch that, reverse it-and it applies to you equaly
i just believe condem the guilty, not everyone who is catagorized as such

now that im high, ill just ask you some questions and let ya run with'em.
if islam is bent on destroying us all, how is it that christians and jews throughout the middle east werent destroyed over the last two thousand years?how is it that to this day christians still live in the middle east, and up until israel, millions upon millions of jews?would they not be easily wipped out?why werent they?

We changed our government. We have a whole new President and a whole new Congress since 9/11. And there have been more terrorists attack attempts than ever. It doesn't matter who the government is, Bill Clinton, George Bush, Barack Obama, they don't care, they hate us anyway. It has nothing to do with government.